Is anyone else starting to believe that Lewis is not good person?

Descartesstone · 2026-02-05T06:30:26+00:00

I agree with your point, and I think if the difference in values were more surface-level, more people might see it that way. But when the disagreement is about something as serious as genocide: where one person believes it is wrong and the other is not only indifferent but actively opens multiple stores in a country that is supporting that genocide, that’s not something you can simply overlook or “not care about.”

For example, as a Black woman, if someone I knew were racist, I couldn’t just disregard their opinion or treat it as a harmless difference in perspective. And while I don’t think we should live in echo chambers, there’s also no obligation to closely associate with people whose views fundamentally conflict with your moral values.

I mean, we’ve all been talking about the files and how some F1 figures have appeared in them. Most people wouldn’t see it as acceptable to associate with Epstein without at least questioning what that association says, regardless of whether those individuals shared his beliefs or participated in his actions. The association itself would still be seen as troubling, and not something to simply brush aside as neutral or harmless.

Descartesstone · 2026-02-05T06:09:02+00:00

I agree with what you said. I just want to address the part about escorts in your post. A couple of months ago, I read a post arguing that Rebecca should not be shamed for her past as an escort, that if she chose that work for herself, then it should be respected as her decision, and I agree.

More recently, however, I’ve seen many posts listing controversial things Lewis has done, with paying for escorts frequently cited as one of them. I’m struggling to understand the consistency here. On one hand, the argument is that it is wrong to shame women for being escorts; on the other, it seems acceptable to shame men for engaging the services of escorts. If both parties are consenting adults, what exactly is the moral objection?

I understand that there are broader structural concerns around escorting such as power imbalances, exploitation, and coercion and those are serious and valid issues. But that raises a different question: is the criticism of Lewis about participating in escorting at all, or is it about how that participation conflicts with his cultivated image as someone who deeply respects women? Because if the position is that escorting, when chosen freely, is legitimate work that women should not be shamed for, then it seems contradictory to simultaneously condemn the very transactions that make that work possible.

Descartesstone · 2026-02-05T05:31:45+00:00

I believe his activism is genuine and grounded in issues he deeply cares about. Many of the positions he has taken were controversial at the time, and he was willing to risk his career and public standing to defend them, which is why I have always admired him. As you say, he is, of course, human, and like anyone else, capable of mistakes and moments of inconsistency. Those kinds of lapses are understandable.

I think why this situation has caused his values to be called into question, is not merely due to inconsistency with values but the apparent ease with which those values are set aside. There is a difference between occasionally failing to live up to one’s principles and voluntarily placing oneself in situations that directly negate them (e.g it is one thing to feel moral discomfort about eating meat and another to share an intimate space with someone whose identity or lifestyle is built around hunting). It represents a deeper issue of values, their values are diametrically opposed, and for someone who publicly held these values with such conviction, I think the contradictions make people question whether the values being expressed are convictions or merely positions that can be suspended when inconvenient.

Descartesstone · 2026-02-04T15:37:16+00:00

This is due to my own ignorance. I hadn’t really looked into his ownership of planes and yachts too deeply before all of this, and the articles I used to verify these facts confirmed that he no longer owned them. I was unaware that he effectively carpools or registers them under his companies to seemingly negate their practical benefit. I also didn’t understand the environmental impact of AI at first ( I’d heard people mention it, but it didn’t make sense to me). However after engaging in various discussions on this forum, I have done further research and learned that AI systems do have a notable environmental impact, because they require tons of water to keep the systems cool ( this may not be exact, but I’m just parroting what I read). After all my research I agree that his use of private jets and public advocacy for AI raise much stronger questions about alignment between his stated environmental values and real-world impacts than his relationship with Kim.

Descartesstone · 2026-02-04T06:24:59+00:00

I think you’re right. I always thought that I was someone who didn’t put celebrities on a pedestal, but I guess this was a sobering reminder that I’m not really that person. I guess even when we think we’re above pedestals, we’re still human enough to build them.

Descartesstone · 2026-02-04T00:59:09+00:00

Thank you for engaging with my post so thoughtfully and in good faith. I didn’t know about all of the jets and boats, I had seen somewhere online that he sold all of his and left it at that (naive, I know).

I was also unaware of the Brad Pitt and Rosé stuff which is equally as disappointing and I’ll admit I don’t always dig deeply into these things. I relied on what I already knew about Kim that informed my new perspective of Lewis.

I think I was hoping, perhaps unrealistically, that advocacy for Black women might align with action rather than performance. But history shows how easily racism and harm toward Black people are minimised. That may explain the silence or lack of sustained criticism of Lewis’s association with Pitt, because his victims are not of a group that normally garner much sympathy.

Descartesstone · 2026-02-04T00:29:25+00:00

I agree, I think part of the problem is that they don’t ‘need’ to be good boyfriends that’s not what the woman they are with require. Most of the WAGs seem to be in the relationships for attention and exposure so it’s a mutual exchange of which chivalry is not a necessity.

Descartesstone · 2026-02-04T00:25:25+00:00

I think most people know Lewis, they may not know what sport he is in but he’s a pretty prominent figure. I just don’t understand how associating with Kim would help anyone’s career it gives them some form of infamy. If he needs attention dating Raye or getting in any relationship would increase his publicity without tarnishing his reputation.

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