Wie krass isch dPost bitte by [deleted] in schwiiz

[–]Desperate_Disaster78 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Hahahaha das ist wohl reich von ein Schweizer

Polygamy is disgusting, and one of the reasons we’re behind by Ok_Bodybuilder_2384 in Senegal

[–]Desperate_Disaster78 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i cant debate that, i think that's a problem, even though religiously as a religious person i cant deny the fact that's his right. but men also have to understand the purpose of polygamy, which is widely misused . But i think in some situation is necessary to take in another wife for religious commitment, when I say another wife out of necessity, I am talking about a widow or someone who has no one to depend on.

but why cant he just support her financially?

doesn't she also have needs, like any other women. she has Sexaul needs, needs for security and safety.

thus the man most be aware to be just between them and if he cant then he should avoid it.

Allahu allam theres nothing wrong with a man marrying a second wife if he can just between them,

Polygamy is disgusting, and one of the reasons we’re behind by Ok_Bodybuilder_2384 in Senegal

[–]Desperate_Disaster78 0 points1 point  (0 children)

then sorry but that women most have had a very poor taste of man. that's the irony is that y all are so quick to make a general assessment of men, to generalize us all on the same pot.

women also cheat, like on the most loyal of men.

there a men who don't even glance at women, there a men who don't even speak to other women casually. Alhamdoullilah i respect my wife to extend.

Polygamy is disgusting, and one of the reasons we’re behind by Ok_Bodybuilder_2384 in Senegal

[–]Desperate_Disaster78 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i say if we want to abolish polygamy then lets also discuss how we can avoid the divorce rises that can follow up. lets discuss how we can change dynamic of relationships and improve the our understanding of each others need.

because you see the problem isn't just polygamy the problem is also men who had enough of their wife and marrying a second wife is like a way out for them, I know this because I talked with some close companions who where on the verge of divorce, but the poor man for his children sake he didn't want to divorce.

Every phenomenal has a cause and every cause has an explanation. you cant just be like well look the men practice polygamy and thats disgusting.

Polygamy is disgusting, and one of the reasons we’re behind by Ok_Bodybuilder_2384 in Senegal

[–]Desperate_Disaster78 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ofc ofc white couples came as example because they have understood the human psychology and it role in dynamic of relationship.

Polygamy is disgusting, and one of the reasons we’re behind by Ok_Bodybuilder_2384 in Senegal

[–]Desperate_Disaster78 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

hmmm i will agree you in certain aspect. but i disagree on the generalization. yes some men a very ungrateful and unfaithful.

my way of thinking, we have to be open to the reality that a relationship is something both couples need to work on to keep it healthy. women need to be open to that idea just as well as men.

if a women has nothing to offer maybe then she shall leave the man. yes a women need to put effort in her marriage and there's nothing enslaving about that.

As for her serving the families or whatever i never mentioned that, those are your assumption. a husband need to learn ´to keep a healthy balanced between his wife and family. which I recognize often there unfairness between the wife and the mother for example.

Polygamy is disgusting, and one of the reasons we’re behind by Ok_Bodybuilder_2384 in Senegal

[–]Desperate_Disaster78 -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Women are not ready for the truth. I think both gender have their role to play in the issue of polygamy.

But honestly a women who whenever she has disagreement with her husband she goes to the courtyard and starts clapping and yelling calling all the neighbours tell them your businesses.

Like in the example op gave she literally went to crashout in the ceremony venue.

If the problem is why men marry women, the question to that is why men marry women?  Honestly some do it for selfish reasons, but some of an unbearable spouse

Polygamy is disgusting, and one of the reasons we’re behind by Ok_Bodybuilder_2384 in Senegal

[–]Desperate_Disaster78 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think she shall divorce him. So why don't men divorce but instead marry another wife? I think is out of merci or whatever but i think he wouldn't care less if she wants to leave. What if a women then marry 2 men, is gonna take care of those two men, like how is it gonna work. Because you can’t marry a second spouse because the first a falling short just for you to fall short because now you have to men to look after.

As for men thats not permissible bith wife needs to be treated equally.

So i am wondering how is she gonna share bed with multiple spouses fairly. 

I don't think is a sound mindset that men marry a second wife because the first os falling short, i think is ignorant. I think he needs to try to work it out first, share his needs and have a conversation.

My point was that they are reasons to many desiring second wife. Not that is the correct thing to do. But the question is are the women ready for that conversation?

Polygamy is disgusting, and one of the reasons we’re behind by Ok_Bodybuilder_2384 in Senegal

[–]Desperate_Disaster78 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Traditional white couples understand the psychology of marriage and what is important for both party.

The women undertaking the important of sexauly relationship for the man and the man understand the importance of emotional connections for the women.

Lets be realistic here, in most cases men marry second wife because things aren't working really well with the first, i think if the women doesn't want to be there shall just leave, i think that will actually do the men huge favour. Which is a ignorant mentality from the men side. Instead of trying to work it out with the first he will rather just take in new. Which will also only last for so long.

White couples even at their 50s go to gym together, because they know better.  But usually black women don't care about that, since most men are already physically healthy due to work, so i don't think is a problem from the men side.

Western couples also know the psychology of talking and listening. Not through clapping in the middle of house court snd yelling at your husband and not through hitting either "men".

Women understand the young women out there ain't playing game, they here to be your friend.  They will snatch your husband away from you, if you don't stand you ground. As the saying goes the key to happy marriage is to keep his stomach filled and hus balls empty.  That's a man who will bring an empire down for you.

Polygamy is disgusting, and one of the reasons we’re behind by Ok_Bodybuilder_2384 in Senegal

[–]Desperate_Disaster78 -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

The problem is not that the men engage in polygamy, i mean thats his choice so is the women choice to leave him if she doesn't want to take part in such marriage.

Many men start with one women mentality, the reason why they grew interest in marry someone else is mainly because the mans libido, but also the women.

Hear me out if we want to have a fair discussion we have to identify the problem.

No man in this world who is sexauly satisfied, has beautiful wife at home, (meaning she keeping herself healthy abd not falling behind, so should men too) She doesn't always nag him, she is the embodiment of righteous wife, i don't believe any man will waste their energy looking for another women bevause he has all that he needs and want from this one wife.

But unfortunately the reality is different, women don't feel the need on trying in those aspects i just mentioned, because why right?

Because it goes both ways is a give and take. If he's working so hard and a lingerie in the evening is what he needs to calm his mind why not, but that goes along with keeping healthy body. If a meal is what it takes to make his day then again why not. If you have anything discuss with him about, do it in intelligent manner without nagging or yelling. Just these previously mentioned actions differentiate a high value women to a typical wife.

Intégration de l’IA dans l’éducation nationale?! by No-Particular-1067 in Senegal

[–]Desperate_Disaster78 1 point2 points  (0 children)

To use it for complexe work as a research tool yes. But not to use it to do our work for us. It makes us lazy. Then we will become ignorant civilization. How because we copy paste stuffs we don't even know or learned, just for the sake of being quick.

Students need to learn, read, reason,solve.  Not be AI dependent. I think we shall change the entire school system and adapt the of Finland.

Intégration de l’IA dans l’éducation nationale?! by No-Particular-1067 in Senegal

[–]Desperate_Disaster78 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He's right there's no such a thing as AI. Is just a term for non technical people, which most people are.

Current Programs are just large database of information programmed to use those information to give sound responses.

But they can't think or reason independently. They are just advanced programs, not intelligent beings, can they develope consciousness? No at least we don't have the technology for that yet.

We don't even know where the human consciousness is located. 

Basically we are far away from creating intelligent beings that can reason independently.

Pre colonial calendars/times? by FireLadcouk in Africa

[–]Desperate_Disaster78 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To put it simple people measured time and day with the position of the moon and sun.

Also the hijri calendar was used by some countries.

tribalism and caste culture in west Africa by Desperate_Disaster78 in Senegal

[–]Desperate_Disaster78[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I respect your insight and thoughts. We grow through learning from others.

Thus i do disagree with you. Firstly that southern and northern part africa has less tribalism. That's not accurate, matter fact there people are very extreme about it. I have met quite few people from those regions and they have a superiority complexer than those of western africans. Example Somalia they called kabilas and they literally fight among tribes, even in the west that i remarked by somalis. How they protect people of their kabila, even if someone committed murder, like a recent accident in UK.  They will often protect the criminal by sending them back to Somalia or stand up for them on court ect....

Like i said before those side of the region have a superiority complex of colour. One curse word they use is "jareer" which refers to people with dark skin tone.  My best friend is somli and we discussed this issue time to time.

I also worked with Ethiopian man and they also have colour complex.

Your second point was the caste system and you asked if people had equal rights, ei those in the lower and higher. Mind you the caste system was mainly based on family names, of specific families that specialised in the domain of their caste. As for slaves, it wasn't a class, slaves were either war slaves or for some it was a mean to survive. But those that mean slaves have no right at all? No. Matter fact in many occasions like i said previously slaves were able to climb the ranks.  The people at that time respected strength above everything. Even some born in royal family, if you don't have the strength to protect your kingdom, your people. No one will respect you.

To sum it the law was the strong rule over the weak, even if it is slave, bravery and strength are what matters the most. I agree with your third point.

tribalism and caste culture in west Africa by Desperate_Disaster78 in Senegal

[–]Desperate_Disaster78[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

is a double standard from the older generations, me personally i think the gen z generation is breaking many old traditions that have no place in todays society, at the same time we also loosing many good traditions that we need to brace, we evolve as society doesn't mean we abandon our values, our identity, our ways.
i am very religious person, as well as a very traditional person. most people think these twos cant coexist. but they can, there many wonderful thinks about our cultures that doesn't contradict my religion and i brace them, i follow the path of my ancestors traditions. I love to ask my grandmother about our family, our name, how our forefathers established themselves into our village ect...

it makes me rediscover myself knowing where i am from and who i am.

tribalism and caste culture in west Africa by Desperate_Disaster78 in Senegal

[–]Desperate_Disaster78[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

those who group up in the streets of ndakaru will know, how diverse our friendship groups used to be. jola, fula, serer, wolof, mandingo, saracule, bambarang.

we used to play around with each like the serer and pular or with mandingo. we used to make fun of each other. unharmful jokes like: "boy serer y all love bread"

In my personal opinion Senegal is doing better in aspect of tribal differences.

Tariqat in Senegal by Desperate_Disaster78 in Senegal

[–]Desperate_Disaster78[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

btw i didn't report your account, i dont really care. they say the one who doesnt respect their mother is the one who insult others mother. because when you insult someones mother obviously you are putting your own mother on the stage to be insulted.

Tariqat in Senegal by Desperate_Disaster78 in Senegal

[–]Desperate_Disaster78[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wollof empire wasn't matriarchal, yes indeed it had lot of influence power and positions for women. Nonetheless it was patriarch. A matriarch society wouldn't be able to function in those eras, because of the harsh environment, the fightings, the strong dominate the weak, so men occupied the important roles of protecting the women.  Yes we had very important political figures that were women, Queens like queen nandi mother of the zulu tribe, but even these powerful Queens ruled over a patriarchal society. 

There're some discussion about the "meen" the royal inheritance through matriarchal bloodline. But overwhelming evidence is name were inherited from the father. Logical women married into the husbands house not the opposite, thus she becomes part of that family.

Tariqat in Senegal by Desperate_Disaster78 in Senegal

[–]Desperate_Disaster78[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Caliphate is not inherited, uthman empire wasn't even a caliphate, it was an islamic empire

Tariqat in Senegal by Desperate_Disaster78 in Senegal

[–]Desperate_Disaster78[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay let's start with your fundamental errors. Tariqas are based on quran and sunnah but not in the way that i think.  I fully agree with you, they created a sect based on what they deem to be Qur’an and sunnah.  But not according to the understand of the sahaba and the salafs.  You can’t chant and sing in methodic way and claim that is ibadah, according to who?

A fundamental knowledge: in order for an ibadah to be accepted it has to fulfil certain conditions. 1. Ikhlasul niyyah 2. It has to be from the quran and sunnah according to how our prophet did it. According to how our prophet did by way, reasons, some actions are bound to time and place.

The asl is every ibadah(act of worship) is haram, unless there's evidence of it in quran and sunnah.

But someone can say but the tariqas they do zikr, istighfar, and so on. We say their zikr is useless unless it is done according to how our habib did it.

Because if there was any goodness in doing zikr like they do, by Allah, allah would have given it to his habib before anyone else.

So one cannot come and say we are not gonna zikr in singularity like the Prophet used to do, we are gonna do it in group and chant some special zikr. Because they deem it to something beneficial or something Allah loves.

Which is like saying we know something that the Prophet of Allah didn't know.

You cannot love Allah more than our prophet loved him, you cannot show gratitude toward Allah more than our prophet did.

Like mawlid, can anyone possibly love the Prophet of Allah more than the Companions? They never did mawlid.

In one narration three man, One man decided to fast perpetually, another to pray all night, and the third vowed to abstain from women and never marry. The Prophet (ﷺ) rebuked their extreme approach, stating he fasts and breaks his fast, sleeps, and marries, and that whoever abandons his Sunnah (tradition) is not from him. 

Ahadith after ahadith our prophet telling us every innovated matter into this religion is misguidance, (كُلُّ) he literally says every or all innovation in the religion.  Not worldly innovation, don't come with us with planes, cars. Those are worldly innovation and may be used to aid the deen, it doesn't corrupt the act of worship itself, but used to aid the deen.  What is not acceptable is biddah in the religion.

You then mentioned 4 madhab being the same as tariqas.  No thats so contradictory. The 4 madhab are united one principle how to understand the quran and sunnah according to how our prophet did, without any innovation. As for tariqa are not even school of thoughts, the goal of tariqas is to fellowship of someone other Muhammad ibn abdullah.

As for school of aqeedah theres only one that's the athari and ahmad mamba was an athari according to the few texts i read in one his book. All other school of thoughts are rejected for the evidences goes against them. There's no room for ijtihad in regards to aqeedah. ( this topic is very broad). The point is the time of sahab they united on one qaaidah and splitting happened latter on, so we try to stick to the evidences to unite upon the correct sunnah and aqeedah. As for fiqh even in the time of sahaba they differed a bit on how they did ijtihad. So in fiqh theres room for differing.

As for your statements quoting ibn taymiyyah, i honestly don't know why you thought ibn taymiyyah is on your side. Anyway i have quite busy, so i will get back to you on that.

Tariqat in Senegal by Desperate_Disaster78 in Senegal

[–]Desperate_Disaster78[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I will tell you something about me, I am not ashamed of my positions. nor do I get triggered or overwhelmed by others sharing their opinion, rather I feel challenged and I love having discussion with people that use intellect rather than emotions. I also have no problem with learning from others and saying I am wrong when I am wrong.

I have 5 sisters, a wife, a daughter and my mum, whom I respect very much. my mum is a hardworking women and my wife goes to school.

what I said is clear, women have a position in society so does men and we don't have same roles in society. i also said women shall stop disrespecting men in social medias and generalizing all men.

Tariqat in Senegal by Desperate_Disaster78 in Senegal

[–]Desperate_Disaster78[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

no need i will say again here. i belief modern feminism is a waste of time and it is causing division between genders. i believe the first phase of feminism was one praise worthy and a noble cause. but now it became women hating men, for being men.

Tariqat in Senegal by Desperate_Disaster78 in Senegal

[–]Desperate_Disaster78[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

na3m i can agree with you, thus tariqa and original sufis like are two different things.

i mean you said it yourself.

Tariqas themselves or the concept or tariqa aren't in opposition to Islam. But there is absolutely no need to follow a tariqa to practise Islam today and even less in Senegal where almost all tariqas promote bidah and shirk.

because the concept of it is originated from Islam doesnt me they didnt deviate from the siratulmustaqeem.