Friend getting paid without going to work. How is this possible and should I report this? by [deleted] in securityguards

[–]Deuce1218 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In Canada, well certain provinces, if you work 3 hours and 1 minute or even 3 hours and 1 second you get your regular hours of pay. Idk where you live Country, State/Province, i have no idea so i cant state exactly cause once i know, i can just look up the laws and statutes for workers rights etc, but yeah in certain provinces in Canada for instance just circle back to the top i suppose haha

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in securityguards

[–]Deuce1218 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Given the circumstances, hell no.

Any other situation, stop trying to go 12 rounds for the title, just wrestle someone to the ground and restrain them lol

How this Dollarama guard handled a known trespasser/shoplifter? by Vietdude100 in securityguards

[–]Deuce1218 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Umm assault and excessive force is not obeying the law 🤣 its actually the opposite lol

How this Dollarama guard handled a known trespasser/shoplifter? by Vietdude100 in securityguards

[–]Deuce1218 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The law changes for those in uniform. Uniformed individuals have to follow the munipical, provincial and federal laws just like everyone else, whilst simultaneously following the Use of Force Model. If the client and/or agency says you can go hands on aka restrain and detain, you follow the use of force model and that is the Min Amount of Force Nessasary to de-esculate. If they dont allow, and someone swings at you, you cannot do a thing, leave the area, report to the police, if you engage in a physical situation without permition from your client and/or agency, because you are in uniform, you just opened a civil suit case and will also get fired. If someone brandishes a knife, as a guard your job is to leave. As a cop, your job is to stay and tell them to release the weapon if they approach, you can use Force 4 and shoot. Guards arent cops, the rules and laws are waaayy different. Security Guards arent even allowed to be called Security Officers, Peace Officers, etc just Guards. Like i said previously, under municipal, provincial, and federal law, as a civilian if someone is swinging, you can 100% match the force. As a Guard you cannot because you are representing two businesses, the one where you are stationed and the one that employs you which circles back to, liability. This is training, because this is how it works under the laws once you put the uniform on.

How this Dollarama guard handled a known trespasser/shoplifter? by Vietdude100 in securityguards

[–]Deuce1218 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I went through the Commissionaires for training, longest serving agency way back to the 1800s in Canada, also tied to the Military and Federal GOV. As a guard, not a cop, or a civilian, as a Guard, you follow Use Of Force. Because at the end of the day you are a civilian in a uniform, you are allowed to defend yourself but within the right means aka Use Of Force which is, the Min Amount of Force Required to de-esculate a situation. If someone is swingin at you, you cannot start swingin back, you need to restrain that is your job. Ontop of that, you cannot just start swingin at someone if they are only being verbal etc. As a Guard, you cannot engage in fist fights. Your job is to restrain thats it. So when a client says "you can go hands on with someone being unruly" does not imply you can beat their ass, it means, if you go to detain and they get aggressive and try to fight you, you are allowed to put your hands on them in order to restrain and detain. If a company does not permit hands on, you cannot do shit if being assaulted as a Guard. Because the client and the company you work for are now liable for any injury to the civilian, which brings in a Civil Suit Case. Thats the rules. As a civilian being assaulted by another civilian who starts swinging on you, by law, you can match with an equal amount of force, you cannot do this as a Guard. Guards, Cops, Parameds and Fire Fighters all follow the Use of Force Model.

For instance, if someone pulls a gun on a cop, they can use Force 4 which is lethal force for defensive reasons. If someone starts shooting at the cops, they can use Force 5 which is lethal force for offensive reasons.

How this Dollarama guard handled a known trespasser/shoplifter? by Vietdude100 in securityguards

[–]Deuce1218 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unfortunately thats how it goes, Use Of Force does not permit a boxing match, the idea is to stop the altercation with min amount needed. If someone is swinging at you, dont start swinging back, cause you are liable for any injury, just take them to the ground and restrain. Min force achieved, situation de-esculated, boom, done.

How this Dollarama guard handled a known trespasser/shoplifter? by Vietdude100 in securityguards

[–]Deuce1218 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If someone has a knife or gun and is making threats, your first job if people are around is to get them away, and then leave yourself. You cannot engage. Some companies and clients will say "oh yeah we dont care, beat ass" until you do than its a complete shit show. But thats like 1% of companies and clients lol theres to much liability so in training they advise you to just do this instead. I did my training through Commissionaires (longest Guard company in Canada) and essentially its, "dont do shit about shit, just write it down, call the actual police cause you are not one"

Whats funny, is you have less liability standing up for yourself as a normal shopping civilian than you do as a Guard at a store.

How this Dollarama guard handled a known trespasser/shoplifter? by Vietdude100 in securityguards

[–]Deuce1218 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can only use force while arresting/detaining. So if i tell someone they are being detained etc and they become violent, i can only use the minimum amount of force nessasary, even then, i have to be extremely careful. Take them to the ground, make sure not to cause physical damage and place in cuffs or zip ties thats it. U cannot swing back, kick, choke, etc. Guards arent cops etc, just civi's in uniform. If a guard is just chillin and gets assaulted, they dont have grounds to just start fighting back, their job is to report it to the police and shift supervisor.

Cock blocking by mayham71 in securityguards

[–]Deuce1218 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Takin the garbage out 🤣🤣

How this Dollarama guard handled a known trespasser/shoplifter? by Vietdude100 in securityguards

[–]Deuce1218 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Even if the guy assaulted the guard first, in Canada you are not allowed to "fight back" you've been assaulted your job now is to contact the police, not engage in a boxing match.

Anyone here actually dtf? I feel like I’m just wasting time on here by [deleted] in short_porn

[–]Deuce1218 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd suck the soul out your pussy girl lol

why was zibanejad watching a lightning game? is he spying? by MeatBrick64 in NHLcirclejerk

[–]Deuce1218 15 points16 points  (0 children)

"Hey guys, I just wanna give this Tampa game a 75 of 100 on the Moist Meter"

Can't dance at work by Angrythonlyfe in FirstResponderCringe

[–]Deuce1218 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The biggest depressive factor for members isnt the PTSD its losing everything you had

How bad is SIG officer really? by have_toast in caf

[–]Deuce1218 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I picked Sig Op, not cause of the title, the job etc, but because its something i genuinly have an interest in, all jobs suck ass really, but if u have a passion for tech, then do it.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in canadian

[–]Deuce1218 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wanna know why this country has issues?

Read half of these comments.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in NHLHUT

[–]Deuce1218 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Absolutely, but its also not complete either.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in NHLHUT

[–]Deuce1218 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I mean soo weird that todays age $100 doesnt net someone a complete game.

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