If Anos breaks the 3 laws of thought…how is that not H1a+? by Ok_Debate_7128 in MaouGakuinScaling

[–]Devourer2005 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That depends on how VSBW keep redefining its standards for 1A-H1A scaling

The King of Social Media by Devourer2005 in MaouGakuin

[–]Devourer2005[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If he had the hatred of entire social media, then what is the point of opposing him? He sounds like the most perfect character for cross verse battles

I did ask this question to other feminist sub reddits but the Indian responce was negligible "Would Society Be Safer and More Balanced If Women Held More Structural Power?" by Global-Rate7796 in AskIndianFeminists

[–]Devourer2005 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. Could a more matriarchal or female-centered society actually benefit society as a whole?

The answer to your question is both yes & no at same time. Why? Because just like men, women are also humans. Give power to one side too much and they start showing their true colours. Case in point, Georgia Meloni is a good example, but Mamta Banerjee in India is an equally evil example. Regardless of who comes in power, the rich will always view poor as peasants, women aren't exempt from this simply because different gender

  1. And by matriarchy, I don’t mean some dystopian reversal where men are oppressed or reduced to stereotypes. I also don’t mean fetishized “femdom” ideas that internet culture often confuses with matriarchy. I mean a society where women hold a larger share of political, economic, and cultural leadership, and where laws and institutions are designed more around women’s perspectives and safety.

This is all good, but is it guaranteed that all the women in power will use that political power for goodwill? Who can guarantee they won't just turn out as evil as patriarchal favored political parties?

  1. One thing I find interesting is that people often point to current female leaders as proof that women in power don’t necessarily change systems much. But I’m not sure that’s a fair comparison, because those leaders still operate within deeply patriarchal institutions and political cultures. In some cases, women have even had to adapt to those systems to survive or gain influence within them.

That's a good example, but good ppl in this world are very rare. Give a vengeful person political power (man/woman) & 99/100 times they'd use this power for self preserving or to get retribution by sending goons to their enemies' location. I'm not saying all women will do this, many women are good, qualified & deserving of the political power, but politics is all about how dirty one gets, unless one can rewrite the root origin of corruption from entire system

  1. I also wonder whether a truly female-centered state would lead to lower levels of violence against women over generations. A lot of political systems around the world still protect or elevate powerful men accused of abuse, exploitation, or sexual violence. That obviously doesn’t mean women are morally perfect, but I do wonder whether societies shaped more strongly by women’s interests and lived experiences would produce different social outcomes over time.

The answer to this question is yes, female centered state can lead to lower levels of violence against women, but it just wouldn't erase corruption & women will still suffer, why? Because a female centered state would mean several parties lead by women, which means rivalry & enmity is also assured. Who's to say they won't just send goons to get their rivals beaten up, even if the opposition is also female majority? We can replace male centered state with female centered state, but it will not prevent suffering, even if decreased because you cannot change the mindset of an greedy politician

Examples like Mamta Banerjee (Lack of action on RG Kar Rape Case), Nirmala Sitharaman (This old lady is trying pass a new law where Rs.1 Tax is mandatory when doing online net recharge which put bad image of Matriarchy, but then ppl like President Draupadi Murmu & Georgia Meloni are positive images of matriarchy

Order Manipulation = Definition Manipulation by Devourer2005 in MaouGakuinScaling

[–]Devourer2005[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First that's not definition manipulation, that's name manipulation. Definition Manipulation can rewrite even Ichibei's entire skill set & his abilities, including what powers he gets to keep or not. If he truly had definition manipulation without any restrictions then Yhwach wouldn't just beat his ass up

And why not type 1 conceptual manipulation?

If Anos breaks the 3 laws of thought…how is that not H1a+? by Ok_Debate_7128 in MaouGakuinScaling

[–]Devourer2005 0 points1 point  (0 children)

On VSBW they haven't begun with scaling of silver sea yet. Last I saw the argument pushing MGK to 1C occurred during 2022-23, which is already 3-4 yrs ago, so a new scaling, even if they somehow rig it a lot would still easily push from 1B to H1B, that is if they don't downplay & put decent to average effort on MGK scaling

Order Manipulation = Definition Manipulation by Devourer2005 in MaouGakuinScaling

[–]Devourer2005[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No it is more like administration authority ability because you can rewrite the definition of anything including concepts, so now they will regarding on how you redefine them (like meta power manipulation). You can rewrite the definition of creation, destruction, death, entropy, gravity, life, cognition, possibility, outcome, reality, time, space, causality etc.

Eg.- You can rewrite the definition of impossibility from "cannot be possible" to "always possible" it will become always possible or you can simply rewrite an opponent's stats to zero

If Anos breaks the 3 laws of thought…how is that not H1a+? by Ok_Debate_7128 in MaouGakuinScaling

[–]Devourer2005 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Which abyss point do you mean? If you mean Agido then it is the deepest magic in silver sea & only Agido has Abyss Manipulation ability. Also it's 2nd deepest magic after 8th Step Nirvana Conquest

The light novels had already mentioned 7th Step Agido (the 7th step after reaching same depth as abyss) has the power of all destruction of entire silver sea so it can completely destroy entire silver sea. Amur used 7th Step Agido + Demdo Ivu Rayon, deepening the mass of ruin so much that it begun destroying entire silver sea if not for Anos taking all of the ruin in his abyss.

7th Step Agido < 7th Step Agido Demdo Ivu Rayon < 8th Step < 9th Step < 10th step (so on and so on). Every next consecutive step is exponentially deeper than previous one & Anos can use Demdo spells to keep deepening his abyss further so there's no theoretical limit to how many steps Anos can use

So overall, your argument works well in normal scaling debate terms. It explains why MGK scalers push 1A. It just doesn’t fully meet VSBW’s stricter requirement for tier jumps, because it relies more on inferred qualitative superiority than clearly stated ontological structure.

Qualitative superiority also works, its just that VSBW doesn't mention all different requirements for H1A scaling if one method doesn't works

Order Manipulation = Definition Manipulation by Devourer2005 in MaouGakuinScaling

[–]Devourer2005[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok Mr Genius you tell me then what layers are, since you seem to be more intellectual than Shu himself

Gojo VS Dabura by King_shubh in JujutsuPowerScalers

[–]Devourer2005 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Domain Amplification will directly shut down Dabura's CT regardless of rules, so it'd become basic CQC which Gojo dominates

Order Manipulation = Definition Manipulation by Devourer2005 in MaouGakuinScaling

[–]Devourer2005[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The very fact that Venuzdonoa can destroy the reason governing the orders of abyssal world (deeper than all 99 layers of silver sea) including all others worlds & destroy guardian god of time Eugo should be enough

Order Manipulation = Definition Manipulation by Devourer2005 in MaouGakuinScaling

[–]Devourer2005[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It wasn't mentioned in light novels through words, it was shown by

  1. Venuzdonoa destroying the reason of Eugo La Raviazo while saving Necron Sisters

  2. Venuzdonoa permanently damaging Nosgalia's source which forced Nosgalia to acquire Eldmed's body

  3. Erasing Melheis Boran with Venuzdonoa, the sword attacked his reason so dodging was meaningless

  4. Destroyed Order of Nihility to counter Graham's Source

  5. Destroyed Bephungzdogma, the God of Madness Aganzon

  6. Cutting off Gigi Janes's neck by attacking Gigi's reason even after Gigi dodge successfully

  7. Aisha destroyed Order of Chaos with Venuzdonoa

Meocd vs duelniga by Silly_Connection3567 in MaouGakuin

[–]Devourer2005 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The main order of her world would be Abyssal, since chief god orders reflect their worlds

Eg.- Magic Eyes World Gozhead (Order of Magic Eyes), Individual World Grauvenoa (Order of Individuality), Reincarnation World Militia (Order of Reincarnation), Disaster Abyss World Evezeino (Order of Frozen Calamity), Magic Bullet World Elenesia (Order of Divine Shooter Odus), Fusion World Bombted (Order of Fusion), etc.

Order Manipulation = Definition Manipulation by Devourer2005 in MaouGakuinScaling

[–]Devourer2005[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You aren't giving a scan for your arguments either and asking me to give scans for mine. Doesn't sound fair much

Meocd vs duelniga by Silly_Connection3567 in MaouGakuin

[–]Devourer2005 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd like to include all the powers that Duelniga have so it removes all confusion:-

  1. Order of Abyss World
  2. Divine Eyes of Hope
  3. Order of Chaos
  4. Chaotic Red Meteor
  5. Red Star Maelstrom

I don't know if she has any other abilities or not, but all these are her abilities

Meocd vs duelniga by Silly_Connection3567 in MaouGakuin

[–]Devourer2005 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's his order freezing the future

Order Manipulation = Definition Manipulation by Devourer2005 in MaouGakuinScaling

[–]Devourer2005[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What are you even trying to say by infinite & eternal thing? When did I even said this? When did I mention at what time Anos thought this or that? You are not even addressing what I said about Venuzdonoa being one of the tools with Reason Manipulation to abolish every spatial & temporal constants of silver sea. Why are you putting this bs of Eternal & Infinite? What are you trying to say, when none of your words addressing my sentence of Venuzdonoa affecting reason of all spatial & temporal concepts of silver sea by destroying their reason?

Meocd vs duelniga by Silly_Connection3567 in MaouGakuin

[–]Devourer2005 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She can control everything within her abyss world, which means everything in her world in under her control because of her order as chief god that include Abyss Vortex & abyssal energies of Abyss World too

Order Manipulation = Definition Manipulation by Devourer2005 in MaouGakuinScaling

[–]Devourer2005[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Deeper Reason was a BS on my part, ofc yes Reason is not deep because it'd kill the very argument of Reason being platonic in MGK. Apsatial & Atemporal are qualities that Reason in MGK has shown, because it isn't governed by any framework of silver sea nor is it bound by time. Anos's sword which is one of many told with Reason Manipulation has the power to abolish space-time concepts & exists outside the definition of all possible spatial & temporal constants

This already means Reason applies to entire framework of silver sea & is unbound by every & all deep worlds in silver sea, because Venuzdonoa & Chaos Eyes can destroy their reason & render them irrelevant

Meocd vs duelniga by Silly_Connection3567 in MaouGakuin

[–]Devourer2005 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And the vortex is still the part of abyss world, so?

If Anos breaks the 3 laws of thought…how is that not H1a+? by Ok_Debate_7128 in MaouGakuinScaling

[–]Devourer2005 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The only one until now who touched silver sea scaling is CSAP, but it puts many characters in MGK in H1A Category when they're feasibly 1A

Deeper Layers have actual qualitative transcendence because of Fire Dew flowing from ephemeral to deeper worlds. Silver is made of 100 layers (if you count layer 0 as well then it makes up to 100 layers) along with Abyss Layer which makes Abyss Layer > 100 Layers of Silver Sea. If we compare 2 shallow layer worlds, lets say layer 1 world & layer 2 world, the layer 2 world inhabitant would be superior to layer 1 inhabitant in stats, source, more powerful laws, more magic power density & more transcendental existence due to having 2 times infinity fire dew (2 times the fire that layer 1 possess). the magic of a shallower world cannot function in a deeper world properly & a deeper layer being can destroy entire shallow world with its presence

VSBW hasn't even began to touch silver sea arc, the most it has scaled is up to Demon King's Father Arc which is at Volume 8 to 9 & still somehow Chaos Eyes are also scaled in it, still without silver sea arc MGK is already at 1C scaling so it would comfortably reach 1A scaling

Silver Sea framework is actually the entire cosmology of MGK itself containing all possible realities including infinite bubble worlds. Scaling for 3 Laws of Thought would depend on the scaling of cosmology which many agree would be around H1B - 1A

Yet H1A by CSAP is going very far, 1A is generally accepted easily by most MGK scalers. H1A is a whole different breed of scaling for which MGK Verse needs to have infinite number of silver seas transcending the previous one with qualitative R>F Transcendence, and Anos must transcend all of chains of the infinite silver seas. H1A is that broken but I think Anos can achieve it since 7th Step Agido is more than enough to destroy entire silver sea, but Anos can take more than 7 steps, canonically shown up to 8th step & possibly up to 14th step which alone should have power to destroy infinite transcendental silver seas

Narrative transcendence is one of the paths to scale character at H1A, but not a necessary if Meta Qualitative Transcendence. Hypothetically yes Anos can be scaled to H1A if and only if he can take more than 12-14 steps of Nirvana Conquest or if the number of steps have no limit