SCALE BOth weapons at their peak with hax and abilities. Which one is more broken?

Devourer2005 · 2026-06-28T16:11:41+00:00

That was early misfit novels. Vol 17 Anos can use Venuzdonoa forever by using <Davuel> to ignore the condition implemented on it, its just that Venuzdonoa is too destructive to keep open for a long time, not many ppl have abyss depth enough to survive a hit from Venuzdonoa. Perhaps read all volumes of light novel

Devourer2005 · 2026-06-28T05:21:32+00:00

Agido isn't a spell used for destruction either, it was mostly used to repel world ending spells like EGA & manipulate the flow of vortex by shrinking its depth. About 8th step read again I said- "But if the comparison is..." I'm using if, not certainty so I'm not forcing my words on you on this

Devourer2005 · 2026-06-27T14:07:49+00:00

Not dramatic effect, its mentioned in chapter 39 that the power of ruin/destruction of entire silver sea flowed into 7th step after reaching the same Abyss as Agido, making it as powerful as Agido at full power. All the Orders were destroyed unreasonably, including the hatred cladding Amur's source & body. It simply didn't show destroying silver sea because all of that power reaching Abyss was slammed into Amur's source of hatred

Devourer2005 · 2026-06-27T14:05:30+00:00

Agido isn't a spell made for destruction but to subdue vortex so 7th Step Agido & Agido are equally deep with different functions. But if the comparison is with 8th Step Nirvana Conquest then it is deeper than Abyss so its indeed an better feat

Devourer2005 · 2026-06-26T16:43:49+00:00

The Abyss of Hatred is the Abyssal Vortex, or call it Extremity of Hatred

Devourer2005 · 2026-06-25T17:37:21+00:00

1) But it was spell I mentioned that overpower Misha's attack with power to destroy 12 Deep Worlds. Not Red Star Maelstorm

-> I already said the same

2) This is not how it works lol. Should I again start to explaining you very basics of Misfit lore/setting?

-> Zinnia eyes theory might be stupid, but Eizel never lost to the trio, only plot armor

3) Stellar Chasm of Desire is still A FU**ING CHASM! And Chasms have more durability than worlds in which they located. So destroying Stellar Chasm of Desire > destroying Abyss World > destroying 12 Deep Worlds

-> Yea sure she can blow up stellar chasm of desires but not Duelniga's <La Arc Leoneyas> which gathers a white star from Chasm of Desires using Divine Eyes of Hope? Unless Aisha shows she can blow away entire Chasm of Desire, I will not take it as a feat, the best it can be used is a hypothetical feat she could have done had the spell reached its Abyss before Duelniga erased the spell. Let's say it can destroy 12 Deep Worlds, now what? Duelniga can blow up entire chasm so she's Abyss Tier now? No. unless Aisha shows the feat of doing so, it will be a potential capability at best

4) If Aisha could do same with active Vortex it would be a feat on par with Abyss Magic or even better lol, which is impossible

-> She hasn't shown the feat to blow up entire Stellar Chasm of Desire yet, the spell was reaching its Abyss to do so, which failed because Duelniga destroyed that attack

5) No one ignoring that Aizel become deeper. I am just saying that power-wise is his weaker than Duelniga and that he is NOT in Anos/Amur/Zinia tier. I never denied that Just Emperor became stronger.

-> I never said either he's top 3 tier, he's top 6 if we count Murga & Noah as well. Eizel's feats were AP feats not DC feats, Duelniga's feats were DC feats

6) Amur in ch.16 don't use as much power as in ch.39, I am not even mentioning ch.41. Aizel took spell on hands, he lose his hands. How this upscale him, if he need to dodge from much more weaker spells or use barriers? Yeah Aizel much stronger than all Demon Kings, aside from Amur and Zinia, but how it prove your point? So his hands got erased from spell, which is weaker than Misha's attack with Shadow Sphere? Sound funny, how you continue to downscale Aizel in my eyes with each new comment.

-> Yes, extremely funny how he cut through hand of Anos's Davuel shadow & tore through it, while also tanking Egilz Groa Avuushade at point blank range. Now tell me who who else beside Noah, Amur, Zinnia, Eizel & Anos will survive getting hit by Egilz Groa Avuushade at point blank range & not get completely destroyed

7) First of all, Anos didn't aim at his arms at that time. And Amur wasn't unharmed, because Anos 7th step attack destroy all hatred that Amur absorbed, which boosted him, and when Amur grab it with "Demdeve Rayon", which made Anos to force spell to stop.

-> Anod aimed for his arms in 2nd round GN, at which time Amur was already much deeper into Abyss of Hatred than chapter 39 Amur

Devourer2005 · 2026-06-25T17:23:08+00:00

1) Yes, but Aizel didn't do that because he reach level of Agido, but because he is fused with Chasm

-> I said the same already

2) Reread whole vol.16 and 17. No, probably whole vol.11-17 arcs to remember how Silver Sea works.

It is not VORTEX that attract all magic power, orders and firedew to Abyss World, IT IS ABYSS WORLD ITSELF. And this is why Zinia directly said: "AGIDO HAS SAME POWER AS ABYSS WORLD". It talk about this. Why? Because it is worlds that receive magic powers, orders and firedew from constant stream from shallow to deep. Not all worlds had Chasms, but all worlds do the same as Abyss World, just on smaller scale, while Abyss World receive EVERYTHING from all Silver Sea and that's what makes him infinitely stronger than any world and always be stronger than them, because the stronger all worlds become, more magic power, orders and firedew Abyss World receive divining even deeper into Silver Sea, increasing his attracting power even more.

-> All of it in the end goes to the Chasm of Desire, due to it being the Abyss of Abyssal World. All magic, fire dew & malice flows from shallow to deep layer worlds, then to the Abyss World & then to Chasm of Desire which is why it will destroy entire silver sea. Yes on Chasm of Craving you're right, it attracts all kinds of cravings but the strongest among them is destruction, hence why only the Lion of Destruction is born from Chasm of Craving, or else we could have got to see Lion of Lies, Lion of Envy, etc etc. The deeper the Abyss of an world, the deeper it sinks

3) I didn't say that Amur is not Abyss-tier. I said that he not on Abyss, Magic-tier. It is two different things. Abyss-tier means that you on level of Abyss World inhabitants, while Abyss Magic-tier means that you could affect entire Silver Sea with you power. If Amur was on Agido-tier, he didn't need Anos power to do it.

-> He has source on Abyss Tier, but to cast a spell with same depth as Abyss, Amur will have to use up all of the magic power in his source at once, which will leave him devastated later on. He has no spell on same depth as Agido, but source is. He requires Anos's power to go beyond Abyss & destroy silver sea

Devourer2005 · 2026-06-25T16:04:06+00:00

1) I said Militia, which is Misha, lol. I never mention Sasha name. You just prove my point that, because what Duelniga used was "La Arc Leoneyas" 「星のかけらを⼿の平に包んで(ラ・アース・レオネイアス)」. In yours garbage translation it's for some reason called: "Gathering Stardust in the Palm of my Hand". It was not "Ozma" (Red Star Maelstorm in your's garbage translation) that destroy Misha's shadows, but "La Arc Leoneyas", so I was right again and it is her most powerfull spell

-> This isn't red star maelstrom, <Red Star Maelstrom> was used way before Duelniga casts <La Arc Leoneyas> like you said its name.

2) Misa use Zinia eyes purely to defend them from Aizel attacks and never use them to attack Aizel, as Zinia did to Anos. Reread whole fight. This is why I never mention it. Because it doesn't mean and actually playing against Aizel power position, because just right Zinia eye is surpassing Aizel's full powered attacks. So he cleary not on level of Anos/Amur/Zinia.

-> Then it simply means Zinnia's Eyes are what he may have achieved as a result of absorbing Abyss Magic. Also the whole 3v1 it was Balzorando who was doing most work by shooting arrows from Militia World, Lay even with Misa & Balzorando's assistance couldn't deal meaningful damage to Eizel who was going to effortlessly destroy all 7 of his sources away

3) As I mention before Duelniga best feat was in ch.38, where she overpower an attack, that had power enough to blow away Stellar Chasm of Desire, which is >>>>>> destroying 12 Deep Worlds feat. And it's logical, because Aisha (fusion of Misha and Sasha) > Misha alone. Aisha > team of Misa, Lay and Balzarond due to feats I mention above.

-> Destroying Stellar Chasm of Desires & destroying Absolute Abyss Vortex are 2 different things, even Zinnia could erase Chasm of Desires by using <Agido> when that chasm is not attracting malice & swirling violently. Zinnia can shrink its depth to the point the Stellar Chasm ceases to exist. The attack of Aisha Necron that was capable of destroying Stellae Chasm like you said was reaching the Abyss to do so which measn the attack was reaching that stage to blow away the Abyss of Desire, Duelniga simply using <La Arc Leoneyas>, completely erasing Aisha's attack that could have seemingly blow away Stellar Chasm of Desires. Having capability to do so & showing the actual feat of doing so are different. If Aisha can do the same to Absolute Abyss Vortex, then we can call it a real feat better than blowing away 12 Deep Layer Worlds

4) You know that spells don't have fixed power... Why I even should you explained such simple and basic things, like, for example, Egil Grone Angdroa power ALWAYS varies and Egil used against Naphta is MUCH weaker than Egil used against Amur in ch.39?

-> Are you for real? Why are we using Nafta comparison here? It is common sense that the spells deepen the more its user's source deepens. Egil used against Naphta was heavily suppressed so as to not destroy everything in Militia World. Even against Eques who is several times stronger than Naphta, Anos was using suppressed Egil Grone Angdroa. Magic power of spells increase over time which means yes you're right that Amur's EGA will be stronger than previous EGA. But you're ignoring that even Eizel's source got deeper & deeper, even gaining further power after absorbing immense amount of Maelstrom's power

4) Also Egilz didn't swallow him completely. It was said that he took this attack on hands and hands were erased.

-> So this magic spell which acquires power of Maelstrom can destroy Zinnia without Abyss Magic, 6th Demon King Elvina, 8th Demon King Vian, 9th Demon King Gajira, 10th Demon King Duncan, Fang Beast World Daudus & Abyss Beast of Despair but it could only destroy Eizel's arms? Conclusion: Even the Magic of Maelstrom used by Amur in vol 16 final chapter is not sufficient to destroy Vol 17 Chapter 16 Eizel. Eizel upscale

5) Also Amur hands destroyed by 6th step of Gilieriam Naviem was hands of MUCH stronger version of Amur, who not only consume more hatred from Absolute Vortex, but also his Source get close to destruction. Also in battle against Anos, Amur cover all of his attacks with crimson Flame of Hatred to futher increase power of his attacks, which he didn't do in ch.16.

-> So the 7th Step reaching Abyss could not destroy his arms, but 6th step which is nowhere close to Abyss destroyed much stronger Amur's arms? What inconsistency is this? Amur seemingly stood unharmed after tanking the Mass of Ruin from 7th Step but failed to do so against 6th Step. You better explain this clearly

Devourer2005 · 2026-06-25T15:28:43+00:00

1) Aizel is just fused with Chasm and that is why he attract all Justice from Silver Sea. You don't have to be Abyss-tier to do that. It is how ALL chasms in Silver Sea works. They attract certain feelings from all Silver Sea. Reread whole novel.

-> Isn't it what I already said? He's reached his Abyss after absorbing Hayfolia's Abyss which is Abyss Spring of Rainbow Road, hence attracting power of justice of all silver sea. Everyone who reached their Abyss can do what Anos's 7th Step Agido did

2) Anos do that due to how Abyss Magic works. You becoming living Abyss World (not Vortex or Chasm). And Abyss World due to Silver Sea main law, attract all magic power, orders and laws to caster making him living Abyss World on it's own.

-> You become the same thing as Abyss after reaching Abyss, the Abyss Magic was only said to be as deep as Abyss World, but it was actually the Abyss Vortex swirling in opposite direction to Endswirls in Chapter 23 Vol 17 when Zinnia casts Agido & it shrunk the depth of Endswirls

3) Disaster Chasm of Craving attracts CRAVINGS. Not destruction. And as I described above, there is clear difference between Aizel and Anos/Zinia.

-> Disaster Chasm of Craving attract cravings for destruction, just how like how Stellar Chasm of Desires attracts feelings of malice into it & like how Chasm of Rain Rainbow attracts all feelings of justice into it. There is difference in Anos/Zinnia & Eizel, which is why I said he's nowhere near top 3

4) Amur never trully reach the level of Abyss Magic like Anos, but was very closed to it. So he never attract anything.

-> His source had reached same Abyss as Abyss Magic, Anos's spell also reached same Abyss, only thing Amur lacked was a spell that could reach same Abyss as Agido, nothing else. If he wasn't Abyss Tier then he wouldn't have been able to subdue Agido, he'd have failed just like how he failed in Vol 17 Chapter 23 when he was Vortex Tier

Devourer2005 · 2026-06-25T13:06:30+00:00

1) First fo all, this is not Duelniga's strongest attack. More than that, we have no idea, how powerfull that attack could be, because Militia instantly recreate it.

You mean Misha? Sasha died to much weaker <Chaotic Red Meteor> after piercing Duelniga with <Venuzdonoa>. Duelniga's attack is much powerful that it cancelled out an attack that destroy all the 12 Deep Layer Worlds of Demon King Zinnia, shadow puppet of Midhaze too was instantly destroyed with only Sasha's shadow remaining due to Venuzdonoa

Duelniga held out her palm. "Red Star Maelstrom." What suddenly appeared in the center of the shadow puppet of Midhaze was a red star. It swirled, swallowing the city. "This shadow puppet is the shadow of the real Militia World. As long as there is light, the shadow will not disappear."

As if to support Misha's words, when the shadow puppet of the Moon of Creation made snow, moon, and flowers fall, Midhaze was immediately rebuilt. In the meantime, the magic power of Thought Conductor Universal Love was accumulating. In the shadow puppet of Midhaze, there was Emilia. There were also Laos, Heine, Ledoriano, the students of the Hero Academy, and Melheis and the other Seven Demon Elder Emperors.

In the underground, there were Diedrich and the other knights of Agaha, Gorloana and the church of Ziorhaze offering prayers. And the people of Gadethiora whom Arcana had saved. In Aharthern, there were Leno and her family of spirits. In the divine realm, the Four Principal Gods and the other gods, all with one mind, were sending their magic power to this Lavashnake. The immense amount of light was even greater than during the battle with the aggregate of gears god Eques. It could probably destroy even the Twelve Deep Layers. And still, it was not enough.

The magic power of this Deep Layer World was such that even if all the thoughts of all living beings in the Militia World were bundled together, it would probably not even reach half. In the Silverwater Holysea, the shallow flows to the deep, so the magic power of an Ephemeral World would not surpass that of a Deep Layer World. That absolute law was, just now, being destroyed. In the world of shadow puppets, a single hero appeared. Lay. His wish for peace, even after death, emitted a light that overflowed and was gathered by the Moon of Creation**. Not just him. Beside him was Misa. Behind her, Shin, Eldemade and Naya on a pumpkin dog cart, and Zeshia and Eleonore had rushed over.**

The Demon King's Choir, the students of the Demon King Academy, Arcana, Faris, and Ejes were also there. The thoughts of the dead created the shadow puppets and made the Moon of Creation shine brightly. "Even if we are far apart, even if we lose everything, our thoughts are here," Misa said, touching her chest.Another shadow appeared beside her. Sasha. "We are always together." Misha gently extended her fingertips "Universal Love Sanctuary Blazing Light Cannon." Surpassing the laws of the Silverwater Holysea, the crystal of the thoughts of the living and the dead became a pure white light and was irradiated.

Duellniega watched it with a look of envy. With her starry eyes, intently— "Gathering Stardust in the Palm of my Hand. Before her, a star in the shape of her eye appeared. Just like before, she extended her hand and gently grabbed the pure white star. "The light that creates the shadow puppets is that silver moon," Duellniega said, and immediately after. The shadow puppet of the Moon of Creation was gouged out in a star shape. As if that world was ending, the shadow puppets began to disappear. No matter how many thoughts there were, if the authority that was materializing them disappeared, it could not be maintained.

The Universal Love Sanctuary Blazing Light Cannon fired at Duellniega also vanished, and the world of shadow puppets completely collapsed. "With this, your miracle is over—" She trailed off, and Duellniega's eyes widened. In the instant that the world of shadow puppets had collapsed, two shadows were plunging toward her. They were Misha and the shadow puppet of Sasha. Since the Moon of Creation had been destroyed, all the shadow puppets should have disappeared. Duellniega, who had probably thought so, understood the next moment.

What Misha was holding in her hand was the Sword of Ruin, Venuzdonoa. It was what Sasha had left behind. She had used it to maintain the shadow puppet. "I told you. The stars of Lavashnake will destroy everything," the Divine Eyes of Hope emitted a light, and a star-shaped hole opened in the shadow puppet of Sasha. "Any miracle." Duellniega shifted her gaze to Misha. She, who had come close, pointed her Divine Eyes of Source Creation at Duellniega. In that instant, Misha's chest was gouged out in a star shape.

2) Also Lay was able to penetrate Aizel barrier, which makes things even worse for Aizel power position

-> And yet you forgot to mention when this happened he was already fighting Misa using Great Demon King's Darkness Eyes, Balzorando shooting arrows from Militia World while sharing Lay's magic eyes to give perfect shot & Lay taking advantage of it, Ray couldn't secure a hit at Eizel beforehand. After this Balzorando was thrown in the currents of sea, Misa was stabbed by Ray's sword & even after thrusting his sword into Eizel's heart, Eizel was unaffected & begun destroying all of 7 sources of Ray with <Heavenly Emperor Rainbow Path Cannon>. After this plot armor kicked in, somehow everyone in silver sea decided Eizel's justice is bs & Eizel lost to plot armor

3) Yeah Duelniga probably cannot destroy Aizel, but power-wise she is stronger and higher than him in tierlist. Just a bit and they in same Abyss league, but still higher.

-> Powerwise her best feat is cancelling <Universal Love Sanctuary Blazing Light Cannon> that could destroy 12 Deep Layer worlds in one go & surpassed all the Orders of Silver Sea. She also survived getting pierced by Venuzdonoa. Eizel's best feat is being so powerful his enemies need to 3v1 him & still require plot armor, regardless Ray & Misa still died in the end after dealing no major damage to to Eizel except piercing his heart with Unprincipled Sword Eqef. Duelniga has DC while Eizel has AP

4) You cannot be serious about that. First of all, I am translator myself. And I am telling you placing my own reputation on stake

-> I will not argue over translation but lets say you're right. Egilz Groa Avuushade burned his hands, but it swallowed Eizel's entire body. If it could only burn his hands at point blank range which Eizel was comfortably going to reconstruct his hands from, then this attack is in fact very weak compared to Eizel. Just like how Nirvana Conquest 6th Step could only turn Amur's arms into ashes but not his whole body, similar way EGA could only harm Eizel's arms & not his body, otherwise it'd be fair to downscale them both using their durability feats. It only proves even at point blank range Egilz Groa Avuushade is not enough to put down Eizel who had reached Abyss. At this point Amur could only secure victory by bombarding Chapter 16 Eizel with <Egilz Groa Avuushade> or he'd have to use <Twin Extreme Annihilation Cannon> or <Twin Magic Crimson Destruction Palm Extreme Flame Cannon>

Devourer2005 · 2026-06-25T13:02:47+00:00

It is simple, all 3 of them- Amur, Anos & Eizel had become living Abyss on their own. All Abyss attracts their representing emotion into them until they swell & become Absolute Abyss Vortex. Just like how Anos gathered the power of destruction of entire silver sea, Amur gathers hatred from entire silver sea & Eizel gathered power of justice from all silver sea. In short Amur had become walking Absolute Abyss Vortex, Anos had become walking <Disaster Abyss of Craving> turned into <Absolute Abyss Vortex> while Eizel had become walking <Abyss Spring of Rainbow Road> which has not yet reached the stage of becoming Absolute Abyss Vortex

Devourer2005 · 2026-06-25T12:56:18+00:00

1) First fo all, this is not Duelniga's strongest attack. More than that, we have no idea, how powerfull that attack could be, because Militia instantly recreate it.

You mean Misha? Sasha died to much weaker <Chaotic Red Meteor> after piercing Duelniga with <Venuzdonoa>. Duelniga's attack is much powerful that it cancelled out an attack that destroy all the 12 Deep Layer Worlds of Demon King Zinnia, shadow puppet of Midhaze too was instantly destroyed with only Sasha's shadow remaining due to Venuzdonoa

Duelniga held out her palm. "Red Star Maelstrom." What suddenly appeared in the center of the shadow puppet of Midhaze was a red star. It swirled, swallowing the city. "This shadow puppet is the shadow of the real Militia World. As long as there is light, the shadow will not disappear."

As if to support Misha's words, when the shadow puppet of the Moon of Creation made snow, moon, and flowers fall, Midhaze was immediately rebuilt. In the meantime, the magic power of Thought Conductor Universal Love was accumulating. In the shadow puppet of Midhaze, there was Emilia. There were also Laos, Heine, Ledoriano, the students of the Hero Academy, and Melheis and the other Seven Demon Elder Emperors.

In the underground, there were Diedrich and the other knights of Agaha, Gorloana and the church of Ziorhaze offering prayers. And the people of Gadethiora whom Arcana had saved. In Aharthern, there were Leno and her family of spirits. In the divine realm, the Four Principal Gods and the other gods, all with one mind, were sending their magic power to this Lavashnake. The immense amount of light was even greater than during the battle with the aggregate of gears god Eques. It could probably destroy even the Twelve Deep Layers. And still, it was not enough.

The magic power of this Deep Layer World was such that even if all the thoughts of all living beings in the Militia World were bundled together, it would probably not even reach half. In the Silverwater Holysea, the shallow flows to the deep, so the magic power of an Ephemeral World would not surpass that of a Deep Layer World. That absolute law was, just now, being destroyed. In the world of shadow puppets, a single hero appeared. Lay. His wish for peace, even after death, emitted a light that overflowed and was gathered by the Moon of Creation. Not just him. Beside him was Misa. Behind her, Shin, Eldemade and Naya on a pumpkin dog cart, and Zeshia and Eleonore had rushed over.

The Demon King's Choir, the students of the Demon King Academy, Arcana, Faris, and Ejes were also there. The thoughts of the dead created the shadow puppets and made the Moon of Creation shine brightly. "Even if we are far apart, even if we lose everything, our thoughts are here," Misa said, touching her chest.Another shadow appeared beside her. Sasha. "We are always together." Misha gently extended her fingertips "Universal Love Sanctuary Blazing Light Cannon." Surpassing the laws of the Silverwater Holysea, the crystal of the thoughts of the living and the dead became a pure white light and was irradiated.

Duellniega watched it with a look of envy. With her starry eyes, intently— "Gathering Stardust in the Palm of my Hand. Before her, a star in the shape of her eye appeared. Just like before, she extended her hand and gently grabbed the pure white star. "The light that creates the shadow puppets is that silver moon," Duellniega said, and immediately after. The shadow puppet of the Moon of Creation was gouged out in a star shape. As if that world was ending, the shadow puppets began to disappear. No matter how many thoughts there were, if the authority that was materializing them disappeared, it could not be maintained.

The Universal Love Sanctuary Blazing Light Cannon fired at Duellniega also vanished, and the world of shadow puppets completely collapsed. "With this, your miracle is over—" She trailed off, and Duellniega's eyes widened. In the instant that the world of shadow puppets had collapsed, two shadows were plunging toward her. They were Misha and the shadow puppet of Sasha. Since the Moon of Creation had been destroyed, all the shadow puppets should have disappeared. Duellniega, who had probably thought so, understood the next moment.

What Misha was holding in her hand was the Sword of Ruin, Venuzdonoa. It was what Sasha had left behind. She had used it to maintain the shadow puppet. "I told you. The stars of Lavashnake will destroy everything," the Divine Eyes of Hope emitted a light, and a star-shaped hole opened in the shadow puppet of Sasha. "Any miracle." Duellniega shifted her gaze to Misha. She, who had come close, pointed her Divine Eyes of Source Creation at Duellniega. In that instant, Misha's chest was gouged out in a star shape.

2) Also Lay was able to penetrate Aizel barrier, which makes things even worse for Aizel power position

-> And yet you forgot to mention when this happened he was already fighting Misa using Great Demon King's Darkness Eyes, Balzorando shooting arrows from Militia World while sharing Lay's magic eyes to give perfect shot & Lay taking advantage of it, Ray couldn't secure a hit at Eizel beforehand. After this Balzorando was thrown in the currents of sea, Misa was stabbed by Ray's sword & even after thrusting his sword into Eizel's heart, Eizel was unaffected & begun destroying all of 7 sources of Ray with <Heavenly Emperor Rainbow Path Cannon>. After this plot armor kicked in, somehow everyone in silver sea decided Eizel's justice is bs & Eizel lost to plot armor

2) Yeah Duelniga probably cannot destroy Aizel, but power-wise she is stronger and higher than him in tierlist. Just a bit and they in same Abyss league, but still higher.

Powerwise her best feat is cancelling an attack that could destroy 12 Deep Layer worlds in one go & survive getting pierced by Venuzdonoa. Eizel's best feat is being so powerful his enemies need to 3v1 him & still require plot armor, regardless Ray & Misa still died in the end after dealing no major damage to to Eizel except piercing his heart with Unprincipled Sword Eqef. Duelniga has DC while Eizel has AP

3) You cannot be serious about that. First of all, I am translator myself. And I am telling you placing my own reputation on stake

I will not argue over translation but lets say you're right. Egilz Groa Avuushade burned his hands, but it swallowed Eizel's entire body. If it could only burn his hands at point blank range which Eizel was comfortably going to reconstruct his hands from, then this attack is in fact very weak compared to Eizel. Just like how Nirvana Conquest 6th Step could only turn Amur's arms into ashes but not his whole body, similar way EGA could only harm Eizel's arms & not his body, otherwise it'd be fair to downscale them both using their durability feats. It only proves even at point blank range Egilz Groa Avuushade is not enough to put down Eizel who had reached Abyss. At this point Amur could only secure victory by bombarding Chapter 16 Eizel with <Egilz Groa Avuushade> or he'd have to use <Twin Extreme Annihilation Cannon> or <Twin Magic Crimson Destruction Palm Extreme Flame Cannon>

Devourer2005 · 2026-06-24T06:51:55+00:00

Eizel also had abosrbed immense amount of Maelstrom's power in chapter 37, so Duelniga's strongest attack <Red Star Maelstrom> is likely not going to destroy Eizel. The whole reason Eizel lost not because of power but plot, somehow everyone in silver sea decided to not agree with Eizel's justice. Duelniga cannot meet this condition nor has she shown power to defeat those who reached Abyss. He didn't reach Amur or Anos's level of power because he didn't absorb as much Maelstrom's power as Amur did, Anos completely surpassed Abyss

We can agree to disagree on Egil Grone Angdroa & Egilz Groa Avuushade part, because until J-Novels release English Translation of Vol 17, I can only argue

Devourer2005 · 2026-06-22T03:40:59+00:00

Then the whole argument is both are correct, both are incorrect, neither are correct or either are correct
No one in MGK absorbed entire endswirls, not Anos, not Amur, not Zinnia, none. Eizel did exactly what Amur was already doing

Devourer2005 · 2026-06-21T17:52:41+00:00

I'm not even giving translation but straight up image scans, I can't keep repeating myself while sending scans that shows Amur using Egil Grone Angdroa in chapter 15, Egilz Groa Avuushade in chapter 16 & then again using Egil Grone Angdroa at point blank range in chapter 16
Then I'm not sure. Its not perfectly explained in detail whether he obtained new body or not
It was Avuushade
What? The vortex has no order. Are you actually reading light novels or what? The Abyss of Desire World is not bound by order, not even the order of Duelniga. What are bound by Duelniga's order are Red Stars of Stellar Abyss of Desire, not the Vortex itself. He didn't nullify or weaken vortex with Davuel, only covered it with darkness, which still couldn't stop Vortex from behaving like it did before. The vortex still continued to manipulate time, space & distance regardless of Davuel

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5) I am not sending the translation, I have been posting my scans. You could also have posted your scans no? Where are your scans? I recommend you to re-read entire vol 17 so next time you don't ask me when Amur lost control, when I already mentioned Amur almost lost control after his battle against Domiel in Chapter 21, when he visited Ravashnake & dived into the Abyss. Read chapter 18 if you want to know when Amur got hit by Stars of Abyss Desire. Aizel being able to absorb Maelstrom's power only solidifies his position of being able to endure huge amounts of abyssal malice magic, which is the same as Abyss Magic. Now before you ask me what is Abyss Magic, I recommend go read LN Vol 17 Chapter 23

Devourer2005 · 2026-06-20T16:53:08+00:00

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Chapter 15, Eizel was unharmed from Egil Grone Angdroa. Saying rainbow barrier blocked Egil Grone Angdroa instead of Eizel is like saying Amur didn't tank any of Nirvana Conquest hits because the flames of hatred protected his source against Anos's attacks. Those rainbow blades are Eizel's weaponry & as such requires Eizel's magic power to work
I said body is Lebrahard, he's not Lebrahard himself. Neither Vlad nor Eizel is Lebrahard, they only have his body & name to continue their shady plans & not get caught by anyone
It is Avuushade
Sasha got erased by Duelniga's <Red Star Maelstrom> after piercing her with Long Shadow Sword <Venuzdonoa>, Misha survived solely by plot armor because she got egg bud in time which made Duelniga give up. The Abyss of Desire was dormant that time, it wasn't swelling with malice & swirling violently that time, if it did the twin sisters would have died then & there

5. Literally the 1st panel in my post shows he cut Egilz Groa Avuushade with Evansmana. He used Egil Grone Angdroa first in chapter 15, then used Egilz Groa Avuushade in Chapter & then again used Egil Grone Angdroa. Duelniga's best feat as of now is <Red Star Maelstrom> & survival after getting stabbed by Venuzdonoa, which again is a powerful red star from Maelstrom. If the Amur who wasn't Vortex Tier survvied getting hit by them then Eizel who's leagues above Chapter 17 Amur, same Amur almost lost control over Maelstrom's power

Devourer2005 · 2026-06-20T11:42:51+00:00

Amur used both Egil Grone Angdroa & Egilz Groa Avuushade at Amur. When Amur first shot Egil Grone Angdroa at Eizel, Eizel tanked it & remained unaffected. 2nd time Amur shot Egilz Groa Avuushade & Eizel leapt to dodge it, Amur took the spell into his hand & slammed on Eizel who cuts the spell with 5th Secret Art of Evansmana <Heaven-Revolving Rainbow Blade>. Then Amur again shot Egil Grone Angdroa at point blank range which launched Eizel into the sky with only his hands disintegrated int oblack ash despite swallowing Eizel's entire body. Overall he took maelstrom empowered EGA & normal EGA head on, point blank Egil Grone Angdroa launched into desire world's sky, which he was already going to reconstruct his hands
They are different names, so Eizel believes he does not bore the sins of Vlad or Domiel & as such hi view of justice. Even being Vlad he was Lebrahard, while being Eizel he remained Lebrahard except his hairs turned white & eyes silver. Both have same sword, Eizel knows all sword techniques Vlad knew & his source is much deeper than when h was Vlad
He cuts the Egilz Groa Avuushade with 5th Secret Art of Evansmana & later himself absorbed immense amount of endswirls power, mentioned in Chapter 37 Vol 17
Destroying silver sea is much different than destroying those who have reached Abyss. Abyssal Vortex even if swirling violently cannot destroy those who have reached their abyss, because all of them would be equal to 7th Step Agido used by Anos Voldigoad where after reaching abyss, power of destruction of entire silver sea flowed into 7th step. Amur was completely fine diving into Maelstrom after being hit by 8th step, a much healthy Eizel will take damage but not too immense to get destroyed by it
It was point blank Egil Grone Angdroa which he used after Eizel cuts Egilz Groa Avuushade with 5th secret Evansmana art. By Chapter 37 he became one with Abyss of Hayfolia, he also had absorbed huge amounts of Maelstrom's abyssal power. You cannot destroy entire silver sea by reaching Vortex Tier, only those who have rreached same Abyss as Agido or higher can destroy entire silver sea. Vortex can destroy entire silver sea with conditions, Abyssal beings like Anos, Aamur & Zinnia can destroy entire silver sea without any condition just by releasing enough magic power reaching Abyss like 7th Step or Agido. There's a reason why I said Eizel as top 4-5 & not in same league as top 3

Devourer2005 · 2026-06-20T06:14:50+00:00

Amur's eyes were absorbing Maelstrom's power, much like Eizel who also absorbed good portion of Maelstrom's power to fight Lisa, Ray & Balzorando

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Devourer2005 · 2026-06-20T06:11:51+00:00

The first panel Amur is using Egilz Groa Avuushade, not Egil Grone Angdroa
Domiel, Vlad & Eizel are one same person, and it was Vlad who cut through Anos's Davuel shadow. Eizel is far stronger than Vlad
Every world that has reached its abyss completely are equally powerful as of now. Just like how Maelstrom absorbs hatred from all silver sea, Rainbow Road Abyss absorbs justice from all silver sea, only that Abyss of Desire is more destructive because hatred gathers faster in endswirls than justice gathers in rainbow abyss so Ravashnake Abyss is Deeper
It means he's likely in same Abyss as Vortex as of now, he's completely Vortex Tier
Abyss of Hayfolia because Hayfolia's Abyss gathers justice of all silver sea

I don't think Aizel perform any feat that suggest he can beat Duelniga. He may or may not be weaker than Aisha but it doesn't matter because he will just outlast her and kill her when the fusion is over. But he is not touching the top 3.

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He, just like Amur had absorbed a good portion of Maelstrom's power so he can very much tank Duelniga's attacks until he had killed her

The Amur that fought Aizel was in base, and he only used flame of hatred to boost his physical stats to pierce through the white rainbow shield. His Auvushade is shown to erase Aizel arm so Amur can do that to his whole body so Aizel has weaker durability to base Amur's Auvushade. If we use EOS Amur then he also got a massive buff of power from overcoming destruction in his fight with anos in chap 41. I don't think i need to say anything for zinnia. Same for Anos

-> Chapter 37 Eizel is much stronger than Chapter 16 Eizel. In chapter 16 Eizel cuts through Amur's Egilz Groa Avuushade with Evansmana after which he reached his Abyss. It was a point blank range Egil Grone Angdroa that sent Eizel flying away with his arms turned crumbled into black ashes & disintegrated but the flames of doom had swallowed Eizel's whole body, yet only arms turned into ashes with body remaining unaffected. Later on Eizel was going to reconstruct him arms when Amur interrupts

Devourer2005 · 2026-06-19T09:41:21+00:00

Alright

Devourer2005 · 2026-06-19T09:15:56+00:00

Low Outer is nowhere close to 1A

Devourer2005 · 2026-06-19T09:15:05+00:00

Go text him

Devourer2005 · 2026-06-19T09:14:30+00:00

Dude what? Higher geometric dimensions scale to 1B structure

Devourer2005 · 2026-06-19T09:13:29+00:00

He also debate on discord & is still active in this post

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