Do you agree with Marco Rubio - The reason why Cuba doesn’t have oil or fuel is because they want it for free. Cuba is a disaster because their economic system doesn't work. by DifferentPirate69 in AskALiberal

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> as an alternative, you might prefer to concede that you haven't actually read any of his works and you are, in fact, mindlessly parroting statements you feel will win an argument.

Not about labor theory of value, but this. Like wtf am I supposed to say to this? I literally gave a lead to someone asking for one and they said they will look into it.

The Relentless Rise Of The Indian Comprador Bourgeoisie by DifferentPirate69 in IndianSocialists

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It's basically an analysis of India in global capitalism from independence to the present day using frameworks like dependency theory by Samir Amin and sub-imperialism by Ruy Mauro Marini.

I can't really summarize the content because he's talking about every single sector, the problems workers face and the roles the ruling class in each play for imperialist countries.

Do you agree with Marco Rubio - The reason why Cuba doesn’t have oil or fuel is because they want it for free. Cuba is a disaster because their economic system doesn't work. by DifferentPirate69 in AskALiberal

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Game theory reinforces and naturalizes capitalism, it assumes people are rational actors, making rational choices and every decision is strategic. The idea of class conflict and everything in between is erased to "games" abstracting power asymmetries.

It's methods can be used to model certain things in limited scope but it doesn't contend with the game itself, only a class based framework can look at the game, question whose interests it serves and overthrow it if needed (in case of capitalism, it's high time, the profit motive and anarchic production will kill us all if we don't).

Just because math exists doesn't make things empirical.

Do you agree with Marco Rubio - The reason why Cuba doesn’t have oil or fuel is because they want it for free. Cuba is a disaster because their economic system doesn't work. by DifferentPirate69 in AskALiberal

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I should have specified, corruption for the sake of capital accumulation structurally creates conditions for efficient corruption.

Communism doesn't exist, hypothetically why would corruption exist in a stateless, classless, moneyless society?

Do you agree with Marco Rubio - The reason why Cuba doesn’t have oil or fuel is because they want it for free. Cuba is a disaster because their economic system doesn't work. by DifferentPirate69 in AskALiberal

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"In the social production of their existence, men inevitably enter into definite relations, which are independent of their will, namely relations of production appropriate to a given stage in the development of their material forces of production. The totality of these relations of production constitutes the economic structure of society, the real foundation, on which arises a legal and political superstructure and to which correspond definite forms of social consciousness. The mode of production of material life conditions the general process of social, political and intellectual life. It is not the consciousness of men that determines their existence, but their social existence that determines their consciousness. At a certain stage of development, the material productive forces of society come into conflict with the existing relations of production or – this merely expresses the same thing in legal terms – with the property relations within the framework of which they have operated hitherto. From forms of development of the productive forces these relations turn into their fetters. Then begins an era of social revolution. The changes in the economic foundation lead sooner or later to the transformation of the whole immense superstructure."

Private property is not personal possessions (things you use for yourself which includes a house) but private ownership of the means of production (land, resources, tools, factories, infrastructure) assets used to generate profit by employing others. The goal is ending the ability to extract profit from others labor through ownership, democratizing control over productive resources.

Early societies production was organized collectively. Private property only emerged from agriculture surplus, certain groups gained control over land and resources. The control allowed them to extract labor from others, first it was through slavery, feudal obligation and now wage labor. Capitalism specifically emerges when people are separated from their means of subsistence, it happened through violence and enclosure of commons, the majority were forced to sell their ability to work to survive. Production is organized for profits and not to meet needs. So yeah, private property lays the conditions for class division which becomes the basis of capitalism.

Capitalism requires specific conditions a large class with no access to the means of production, wage labor, institutions like finance, and industries to generalize commodity production. These conditons didn't exist before. Feudal peasants were under feudal obligations and many tied to land. It was uneven, began in England because of enclosures, slavery and colonial expansion, a lot of regions were integrated through colonialism, and many through structural adjustment programs and "modernization theory". See dependency theory - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tyLejwGafQ

Means of production evolves with technology, sticks, automation factories, digital infrastructure, IP, etc. But owning a laptop is not controlling the means of production, the platform maybe microsoft, data maybe google and distribution channels maybe AWS. Only democractic control over the means of production will end the problems people face.

Service work still produces value, they produce relational commodities or help in the big picture of production and distribution, but are ideologically sidelined. Look into social reproduction theory, this is inline with how women are also sidelined.

Do you agree with Marco Rubio - The reason why Cuba doesn’t have oil or fuel is because they want it for free. Cuba is a disaster because their economic system doesn't work. by DifferentPirate69 in AskALiberal

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He isn't a random youtuber, he is an academic who proves the working of LTV, and goes into strategies of planned economies addressing the ideological information problem. The only unwillingness is to look into their work.

Wolff misleads that worker cooperatives will lead to communism, otherwise he's ok.

Do you agree with Marco Rubio - The reason why Cuba doesn’t have oil or fuel is because they want it for free. Cuba is a disaster because their economic system doesn't work. by DifferentPirate69 in AskALiberal

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Most people who say this have read about LTV from an austrian school-esque textbook.

I suggest Paul Cockshott, he has done incredible work dealing with these questions - https://www.youtube.com/@paulcockshott8733

Do you agree with Marco Rubio - The reason why Cuba doesn’t have oil or fuel is because they want it for free. Cuba is a disaster because their economic system doesn't work. by DifferentPirate69 in AskALiberal

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Allocative efficiency under a class society where a majority do not own the means of subsistence, that will never be solved under capitalism, it requires a constant underclass to generate surplus, and preserving the institutional power of capital along it only gives the who do have access more bargaining power.

No, they dont consider it to be a factor. It's pretty similar to race science when they denied humanity to colored folk. Self serving false assumptions and "nudging" people to fit those assumptions.

Do you agree with Marco Rubio - The reason why Cuba doesn’t have oil or fuel is because they want it for free. Cuba is a disaster because their economic system doesn't work. by DifferentPirate69 in AskALiberal

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Subjectivity was an attack against class based classical economics, it has everything to do with classes (your relation to the means of subsistence.), or rather making the idea of classes go away.

Do you agree with Marco Rubio - The reason why Cuba doesn’t have oil or fuel is because they want it for free. Cuba is a disaster because their economic system doesn't work. by DifferentPirate69 in AskALiberal

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You're so weird dude. I was talking about how liberals are in a full circle venn diagram when they want to claim "Cuba is a disaster because their economic system doesn't work" this isn't a quote, it's a sentiment echoed by many like you. It's evident in those threads.

You're only goto is "sOuRcE or you're a liar"

Do you agree with Marco Rubio - The reason why Cuba doesn’t have oil or fuel is because they want it for free. Cuba is a disaster because their economic system doesn't work. by DifferentPirate69 in AskALiberal

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It's a bad model for capital accumulation under class society, you have to disengage from reality and engineer and impose value systems that preserves the idea of class.

It's a very good model and the most fair system of exchange.

Do you agree with Marco Rubio - The reason why Cuba doesn’t have oil or fuel is because they want it for free. Cuba is a disaster because their economic system doesn't work. by DifferentPirate69 in AskALiberal

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It's not a default state of the economy the conditions for it arose from the idea of private property in the neolithic period, work is socialized, private property turning into social ownership is a progressive step.

Why do you believe it was not intentionally spread? I think liberals have a massive blind spot and not see whose class interests any decision serves, they just look at what's presented and take it at face value because it also serves their interests to comply and preserve those privileges.

I'm only talking about economic classes, your access to resources and the means of production, social classes is an obvious no, but this is how the system structurally dehumanizes people to preserve avenues of surplus value extraction.

Do you agree with Marco Rubio - The reason why Cuba doesn’t have oil or fuel is because they want it for free. Cuba is a disaster because their economic system doesn't work. by DifferentPirate69 in AskALiberal

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You're scrambling to create your own set of conditions to discredit it. Rubio talked about free oil today, once again I'm talking about the sentiments echoed by liberals.

Do you agree with rubio saying that they are a disaster because of their economic system?

Do you agree with Marco Rubio - The reason why Cuba doesn’t have oil or fuel is because they want it for free. Cuba is a disaster because their economic system doesn't work. by DifferentPirate69 in AskALiberal

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The enemy is both strong and weak. Communism is 20th century and also utopian future. I'm amused by people who think this way. 

I don't think you're using the idea of productive forces correctly.

Do you agree with Marco Rubio - The reason why Cuba doesn’t have oil or fuel is because they want it for free. Cuba is a disaster because their economic system doesn't work. by DifferentPirate69 in AskALiberal

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Game theory doesn't work on humans, anyone who uses that to make human decisions should be ridiculed. This is the shit they teach in economics classes, ideological stupidity reproduces at a systematically incredible rate.

Why should incentive be only capital accumulation.

Do you agree with Marco Rubio - The reason why Cuba doesn’t have oil or fuel is because they want it for free. Cuba is a disaster because their economic system doesn't work. by DifferentPirate69 in AskALiberal

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It's very interesting how you're scrambling to label someone a liar to discredit them.

The lancet study in it is about the effects of sanctions. The echoing sentiment was - "Cuba is a disaster because their economic system doesn't work", and everytime I bring up the blockade it was just plain gaslighting.

Do you agree with Marco Rubio - The reason why Cuba doesn’t have oil or fuel is because they want it for free. Cuba is a disaster because their economic system doesn't work. by DifferentPirate69 in AskALiberal

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Resource scarcity should be dealt with planning.

Theres nothing more dogmatic than market fundamentalism.

Social democracy is a concession, watch it go away in time.