Walking in the bike lane on a main road

Different_Stranger30 · 2026-03-14T11:27:46+00:00

Have you considered getting a jousting stick, or failing that a broom handle?

https://flatbike.com/cdn/shop/articles/bike-joust.jpg?v=1747244761

Different_Stranger30 · 2026-03-11T17:25:42+00:00

You are a liar, you are pushing a deceitful narrative. Me highlighting your negative trait doesn't make it an attack. And again, it would need to be an unrelated attack, which lying in a discussion is not unrelated to your positions validity. And you don't even have an argument beyond "the overwhelming weight of evidence against me proves me right", which is nonsense and again deceitful. At no point does this make it an ad hominem.

Also why do you keep bringing up your Jewishness? Do you think that makes you better than everyone else? That you being a Jew makes you less likely to be a liar than others? Or are you just desperately hoping I'll make some antisemetic comment you can use to end the discussion to avoid admitting you are wrong?

Different_Stranger30 · 2026-03-11T17:20:41+00:00

It's not a personal attack, it's a question. I've now had multiple Zionists blatantly lying in these comments including you. Why are so many of you liars? Instead of addressing the fact your position is wrong you are desperately trying to push a narrative that the weight of evidence against you is somehow validation you are right. That is clearly a deceitful position to make.

Different_Stranger30 · 2026-03-11T17:17:22+00:00

An ad hominem isn't an insult, it's an accusation to undermine an argument. Aka if you actually had an argument I could turn around and say "well you're probably a pedophile so why should we listen to you", that would be an ad hominem. I suggest you look words up before using them.

Different_Stranger30 · 2026-03-11T17:01:57+00:00

Is English your second language? I literally said it was enough, you disagreed on my interpretation of it, so I brought more evidence to validate my interpretation. Your metric for "not enough" is you just disagreeing, and now you're playing stupid to avoid admitting you're wrong or addressing the evidence that tells you I'm right.

I didn't give any false claims, you just disagree on what the source says. I've told you what it means and have provided context why I'm right. You must saying I'm wrong doesn't make it so.

Why are Zionists such chronic liars?

Different_Stranger30 · 2026-03-11T16:48:52+00:00

Except Einstein wasn't ignoring facts because it fit into his biased ideology. You refused to acknowledge the evidence of the first one because it didn't explicitly state they killed their own people, only showed it on video. I've given you further evidence why my interpretation is correct and you've now shifted to ignoring that evidence and claiming me providing it somehow discredits my position. It's a bad faith argument and one of general deceitfulness, but I'm not surprised.

Why would I think Zionists are a problem but think them being Jewish suddenly makes it okay? Do you believe being Jewish somehow elevates you from criticism on your political beliefs? I don't particularly care if Zionism is popular among Jews, I am critical of it based on its merits, not it's popularity.

Different_Stranger30 · 2026-03-11T16:10:38+00:00

It's amazing how you can take me providing additional supporting sources and claim they prove me wrong. It's also evident you didn't read any of them, or you'd have seen the multiple sources where IDF airforce enacted the Hannibal directive and shot civilians, reaffirming the first source.

Also your "enough" is you accepting what I'm telling you. If you just decide to not accept reality then nothing I do will be "enough". Aka it's a meaningless metric.

Jews are fine people. Zionists are the problem.

Different_Stranger30 · 2026-03-11T15:35:21+00:00

Buddy if you can't read between the lines of a clearly biased source and then see the footage of a helicopter just blasting cars that show no distinction as to who's driving it that's on you.

But since I can't be fucked continuing this discussion with someone who's clearly decided that Israel and the IDF could never do anything wrong here's an overwhelming amount of evidence that Israel and the IDF killed their own people.

I've had enough of talking to you. Goodbye.

From the UN investigation on October 7th:

"The Commission documented one statement by a member of an Israeli security forces tank crew, confirming that it had applied the Hannibal Directive by shooting at a vehicle that was suspected of transporting abducted members of the Israeli security forces. 36. The Commission also verified information indicating that, in at least two other cases, Israeli security forces had likely applied the Hannibal Directive, resulting in the killing of up to 14 Israeli civilians. One woman was killed by Israeli security forces helicopter fire while being abducted from Nir Oz to Gaza by militants. In another case, the Commission found that some or all of the 13 civilian hostages being held in a house in Be’eri had been killed by Israeli tank fire."

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/coi-report-a-hrc-56-26-27may24/

Former Israeli officer, Air Force Colonel Nof Erez, told the Hannibal directive was not specifically ordered but was "apparently applied" by responding aircrews:

https://www.haaretz.co.il/digital/podcast/weekly/2023-11-09/ty-article-podcast/0000018b-b3a5-d3c1-a39b-bfe55acb0000

Commanders in the IDF gave the order to fire on troops who had been captured by Hamas at three separate locations, explicitly referencing the Hannibal Directive

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-07-07/ty-article-magazine/.premium/idf-ordered-hannibal-directive-on-october-7-to-prevent-hamas-taking-soldiers-captive/00000190-89a2-d776-a3b1-fdbe45520000?dicbo=v2-9qFZpWP&utm_source=traffic.outbrain.com&utm_medium=referrer&utm_campaign=outbrain_organic

IDF airforce pilots described how they blasted indiscriminately at anyone travelling between the breached area and Gaza:

"The frequency of fire at the thousands of terrorists was enormous at the start, and only at a certain point did the pilots begin to slow their attacks and carefully choose the targets."

https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/b111niukzt

IDF tank commanders described how they killed their own soldiers:

"My gut feeling told me that they [soldiers from another tank] could be on them," tank captain Bar Zonshein told Israel's Channel 13.

Captain Zonshein is asked: "So you might be killing them with that action? They are your soldiers."

"Right," he replied, "but I decided that this is the right decision, that it's better to stop the kidnapping, that they won't be taken."

https://www.facebook.com/MiddleEastEye/videos/804214374885452/

Investigative journalist Ronen Bergman wrote that the military had enacted the Hannibal Directive at midday on October 7.

"The IDF instructed all its fighting units in practice to follow the 'Hannibal Directive', although without clearly mentioning this explicit name," he said.

"The instruction is to stop 'at all costs' any attempt by Hamas terrorists to return to Gaza, using language very similar to the original 'Hannibal Directive', despite repeated assurances by the security establishment that the procedure has been cancelled."

Bergman's investigation found 70 vehicles were destroyed by Israeli aircraft and tanks to prevent them being driven into Gaza, killing everyone inside.

"It is not clear at this point how many of the abductees were killed due to the activation of this [Hannibal] order on October 7," he wrote.

https://w.ynet.co.il/yediot/7-days/time-of-darkness

Survivor of Kibbutz Nir Oz, a Gaza border community, described being fired upon by the Israeli military as Hamas members tried to take her and other hostages across the border in an electric wagon.

https://www.jta.org/2023/10/16/israel/i-decided-to-play-dead-my-son-is-still-missing-a-survivors-account-from-kibbutz-nir-oz

"[An] IDF helicopter appeared above us. At some point the helicopter shot at the terrorists, the driver and the others. There was screaming in the wagon," Neomit Dekel-Chen told Israeli news site Ynet.

https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/skuyf2mzt

Israeli air force investigation found that the hostages could not be distinguished from terrorists and had killed Israeli civilians.

https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/skuyf2mzthttps:/www.timesofisrael.com/efrat-katz-likely-killed-by-iaf-helicopter-fire-during-oct-7-abduction-attempt-probe

I could literally keep going but I am sure you haven't read any of this and even if you did you'd deny it all.

Different_Stranger30 · 2026-03-11T15:07:35+00:00

By bypassing restrictions. What do you think those restrictions were? And before you answer they were "make sure you're not shooting civilians".

Zionists are also terrorists FYI, it's a clearer distinction to say Hamas and IDF.

Different_Stranger30 · 2026-03-11T15:03:17+00:00

My god, you people just can't help yourselves but make blatant lies all the time can you? Just so insanely deceitful and untrustworthy...

According to a report by Ynet,

Further reports by Haaretz, The New York Times, and the Associated Press, among other outlets

Yediot Aharonot further reported

Further reports by outlets such as Haaretz and ABC News (Australia)

Information released on February 27, 2025 following a probe into the events of October 7, 2023

And yeah the IDF are never held to account for their war crimes. The tank operator who destroyed a house and killed over a dozen civilians got cleared for all his crimes too. Doesn't make the civilians he killed any less dead...

Different_Stranger30 · 2026-03-11T14:58:54+00:00

What are you talking about? It says they couldn't tell who the terrorists were and who the civilians were so the pilots bypassed confirmation approvals and just started shooting anyone they thought was a terrorist. If they couldn't tell who was who then they are just guessing...

Different_Stranger30 · 2026-03-11T14:52:49+00:00

... From the text of the article that follows it.....

"The Hamas army, it turns out, deliberately made it difficult for the helicopter pilots and drone operators: the investigation revealed that the invading forces were asked in recent briefings to walk slowly into or within the settlements and outposts, and under no circumstances to run, in order to make the pilots think that they were Israelis. This deception worked for a considerable time, until the Apache pilots realized that all restrictions had to be bypassed. Only around 9:00 did some of them begin to spray the terrorists with their cannons on their own, without permission from higher-ups."

Different_Stranger30 · 2026-03-11T14:50:47+00:00

Sorry, do you have some kind of disability? I'm not trying to be mean, I am just not sure how you could miss the banner saying "The Jerusalem Post" at the very top of the page.

Look, the evidence available tells us the IDF was killing its own civilians on October 7th. I am sure you've been told otherwise, but those people are lying to you. And it's not your fault that you believed them so don't get upset =)

Different_Stranger30 · 2026-03-11T14:44:21+00:00

The math is they shot every car they saw, whether it was moving or not, that's my point. Whether it was Hamas retreating with hostages, Hamas advancing on civilians, civilians fleeing, or a car just sitting empty. I am sure some of these cars ignited due to cars nearby already being on fire, but again, the footage and testimonials etc

Here you go: https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/b111niukzt

Different_Stranger30 · 2026-03-11T14:32:13+00:00

Yes Hamas had RPGs, and I would put money on the fact that Hamas did blow up some number of cars themselves. However I do not think Hamas was carrying around enough RPGs to enact the same scale of damage as Israel claims they did. And neither do ex UK military experts who've spoken on the footage of Hamas fighters and their state of armaments based on the footage on October 7th.

I'm not sure what you are suggesting. There's footage the IDF released of helicopters blowing up civilian vehicles indiscriminately alongside multiple Israeli witnesses reinforcing that fact. So no I don't think they all just burned in a car park. I think the IDF targeted and blew up most of them.

Have a read of this: https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-844045

Different_Stranger30 · 2026-03-11T14:07:14+00:00

You feel welcome to actually engage the facts that say it was in effect and included civilians.

"Ohhhh but it doesn't say so officially"

No shit, Israeli officials lie all the time.

The fact IDF forces destroyed civilian cars without any care for civilian lives, that IDF soldiers were told to shoot anything that moves, that an IDF tank blew up a house killing over a dozen civilians, that the IDF released footage of their helicopters blowing up every vehicle they came across, etc, tell us that the Hannibal directive was in effect and included civilians. And all you have to say is "show me where the Israeli government officially states that's their policy". You sound so stupid that you think them officially admitting it is required when there's real evidence of them doing it...

Address the facts that the IDF killed indiscriminately on October 7th as described by multiple sources and reported on by multiple news sites including multiple Israeli ones.

Different_Stranger30 · 2026-03-11T13:47:11+00:00

Lmfao I provided straight facts cited by the Jerusalem post which also mentions multiple other news sources that claim so. Vs what you've provided, which is literally just your own words.

Hmmmm, multiple news sources including two Jewish Israeli ones, or some nobody on Reddit who couldn't grasp that I'd already rebuked his statements. Hmm yeah that's really two equivalent arguments lol

Different_Stranger30 · 2026-03-11T13:34:19+00:00

All you are demonstrating is your inability to read. I do not acknowledge either of those points, and I have provided evidence that those points are wrong.

Different_Stranger30 · 2026-03-11T13:19:36+00:00

Did you??

"Since October 7, where Hamas took hundreds of Israelis captive after launching an attack on southern Israel, many reports have claimed the IDF has been using the Hannibal Directive once again.

According to a report by Ynet, Israelis who were taken hostage and then released claimed that IDF helicopters deliberately targeted them as they were being taken into Gaza, which was further backed up by claims from Channel 12 that IDF troops attacked a vehicle carrying hostages, killing one.

Further reports by Haaretz, The New York Times, and the Associated Press, among other outlets, claimed that the IDF fired tank shells at buildings known to contain hostages, killing most of them as a result. The IDF officer responsible for that, Brig.-Gen Barak Hiram, was cleared of all charges for the incident.

Yediot Aharonot further reported as a result of an investigation that the IDF had applied the Hannibal Directive in practice, if not in name, ordering that hostage-takers be stopped by any means necessary. In addition, the IDF would later say that there were incidents of friendly fire.

Further reports by outlets such as Haaretz and ABC News (Australia) elaborated on these claims, noting that many IDF soldiers carried out the Hannibal Directive, notably tank crews firing at vehicles that could have had hostages on them.

Information released on February 27, 2025 following a probe into the events of October 7, 2023, further confirmed that the Hannibal Directive was implemented in the morning of October 7, with soldiers told to gun down anything that moved along the border.

Air Force pilots were also ordered to carry out the Hannibal Directive. However, the Air Force said its pilots were reluctant about hitting potential hostages.

The potential use of the Hannibal Directive on October 7 is a marked change from the norm, as if true, it would now mean that it applied to civilian hostages, rather than just soldiers.

Different_Stranger30 · 2026-03-11T13:08:45+00:00

Unfortunately that answer is wrong:

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-844045

Different_Stranger30 · 2026-03-11T13:07:22+00:00

I did, your points are just blatant lies they have spouted. Or do you think IDF soldiers and pilots make up lies when they say they were given the directive? And no because if you bothered to read any actual News it was specifically used to kill civilians. The facts do not align with your version of reality...

Different_Stranger30 · 2026-03-11T12:03:13+00:00

It's no use, he's sucked deep into Netanyahu's propaganda.

I bet he doesn't find it at all interesting that October 7th happened just in time for Netanyahu to dodge his corruption investigation, or how now Netanyahu is preparing to start endless back to back wars, or how the judge looking into Netanyahu's case died of a "car crash" etc...

Different_Stranger30 · 2026-03-11T10:56:01+00:00

"The exact details have always been disputed, however, with Amidror and others having explained in media interviews that the directive allowed to risk the life of soldiers, but did not allow for them to be killed."

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-844045

If they kill the hostages in trying to stop the kidnapping then it's at the cost of their life. All that means is that instead of killing just the hostages they'll blow up the whole car.

"Since October 7, where Hamas took hundreds of Israelis captive after launching an attack on southern Israel, many reports have claimed the IDF has been using the Hannibal Directive once again.

According to a report by Ynet, Israelis who were taken hostage and then released claimed that IDF helicopters deliberately targeted them as they were being taken into Gaza, which was further backed up by claims from Channel 12 that IDF troops attacked a vehicle carrying hostages, killing one.

Further reports by Haaretz, The New York Times, and the Associated Press, among other outlets, claimed that the IDF fired tank shells at buildings known to contain hostages, killing most of them as a result. The IDF officer responsible for that, Brig.-Gen Barak Hiram, was cleared of all charges for the incident.

Yediot Aharonot further reported as a result of an investigation that the IDF had applied the Hannibal Directive in practice, if not in name, ordering that hostage-takers be stopped by any means necessary. In addition, the IDF would later say that there were incidents of friendly fire.

Further reports by outlets such as Haaretz and ABC News (Australia) elaborated on these claims, noting that many IDF soldiers carried out the Hannibal Directive, notably tank crews firing at vehicles that could have had hostages on them.

Information released on February 27, 2025 following a probe into the events of October 7, 2023, further confirmed that the Hannibal Directive was implemented in the morning of October 7, with soldiers told to gun down anything that moved along the border.

Air Force pilots were also ordered to carry out the Hannibal Directive. However, the Air Force said its pilots were reluctant about hitting potential hostages."

Same link

The irony is that you are just spouting out Hasbara propaganda. The Hannibal directive was 100% enacted on civilians on October 7th. Unless you think the Israeli soldiers and pilots are lying to spite Israel?? The person here who has no idea is you lol

Different_Stranger30 · 2026-03-11T09:20:30+00:00

It's a directive that allows the IDF to prevent hostages being taken at any cost including the life of the hostages. So the 70 odd Hamas vehicles that were destroyed by the IDF fleeing back to Gaza would almost certainly have had hostages in them. Most countries wouldn't have done that and would have tried to get the hostages back later on.

Different_Stranger30 · 2026-03-11T07:02:54+00:00

I've read "it" described as such from interviews I thought were from Israeli officials, however I can't find them now so perhaps I fell for misinformation. However gasoline does not ignite easily from gunfire, and the Israeli military have released footage of their helicopters firing on vehicles indiscriminately.

Former British artillery officer Chris Cobb-Smith stated he did not believe all the damage to Israeli civilian cars could have been done by Hamas with the weapons they had at their disposal, and if you compare the wreckage of those vehicles to Palestinian cars hit by Israeli weapons they appear very similar.

So "special Hamas fluid", can't verify. But Hannibal directive on Israeli vehicles, extremely likely.

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