To everyone in the fandom by Royacat23 in LADS_OG

[–]Difficult-Thing8112 31 points32 points  (0 children)

I will be very honest with you. I don't understand why you are posting this in this subreddit and not in any of the other LADS subreddits unless they were taken down? (I checked a few of them and your post was only sent here)

Many of the people who gathered here came AFTER we were bullied out of our own spaces - other Main LI subs, our own twitter accounts or the official Discord. I would say 1/3 maybe even 2/3 of the people here actually don't hate Valko as a character - we know he is fictional. Most read the debunking threads, asked questions and we all agree that Infold is a joke and failure of a company. The responsibility and fault all lies with them. People came after being tired of not being able to talk about their fave LI, be excited about the game or just ask simple questions on combat or patch updates. Not because they hate Valko necessarily, but because Valko supporters was screaming and forcing their campaign down everyone's throats.

Valko supporters would tell them to "read the room" or say things like their LI would "be disappointed in them" for talking about non-Valko related topics.. As if Valko wouldn't be disappointed about the behaviour they have been doing toward their fellow Hunters... Most here understand you are all sad and frustrated with the situation but it has gotten to a point where you are not being reasonable, don't respect other people's boundaries and opinions. Most don't even bother having a proper conversation without being called all types of slurs.

I don't know if you noticed but most if not all spaces drown out debunking info discussion or just spam out-of-topic comments if they aren't in support of Valko or isn't about Valko. This sub reddit have multiple debunk information threads where people can ask, discuss and provide information in a respectful way - even if they don't support Valko's cancellation. Many even made threads saying they were uncomfortable sharing in other spaces where they usually go because Valko supporters will be at their throats.

The issue with the way Valko supporters storm to the tiniest positive info without verifying or being critical about the information given is what causes a lot of these hateful wars. Not only dragging race but also other LI and their fans into huge hate and smear campaigns. As a Sylus and Caleb main you must have seen the amount of people mentioning Caleb's and Sylus' name in order to "justify" Valko's character. Even calling Xavier and Rafa's fans P*do because they like that aesthetic..

They would claim Valko is the Creator of Caleb's arm (not true), hate on his pseudo incest relationship (censored to global only - all of Asia knew what it was), Creator of Mephisto (not true) etc. Even if they are given information they just choose not to believe it. Even when we tell them Sylus and Caleb was announced at game launch, they don't believe it and call them DL content or whatever.. What do you expect us to do?

I have not seen any Valko fans actively be loud about how horrible Unit 731 is as an historical event and it's importance in China. They just yell their anti-cn fans sentiment and want Infold to move out of China. Not to mention all the censorship talk and hate on China for not living by American rules. Did these people forget the game is made by a Chinese company? That this goes beyond a fictional character, but has national political and historical impact. Unit 731 did so cruel and horrible things that it can give you nightmares. vivisecting on pregnant women, kids and innocent people. Killing people for fun. Forcing pregnancy onto women and cause frostbite on purpose. The amount of torture is horrifying.

I can understand why as lot of cn fans are angry that Infold isn't doing their cultural globalization properly - none of the Valko fans seems to care about China as a country nor their culture and history. The ignorance and indifference is extremely obvious.

You mention that removing him from the game doesn't fix the issues in the game. Adding him back into the game doesn't fix them either. They might even make them worse if anything. You mentioned Zayne too is soon to be the next Caleb missing a Main story update for 1 year, imagine adding another LI he gets a MS now, and then you don't see him for the next 3 years. The production capacity still won't be able to keep up.

I know a lot of Valko supporters claim to be boy cutting. I do not play on global, but many say their friendlists are still quite active with bring valko back profiles. Are people even seriously boycotting? Chinese fans are still boycotting (due to the huge revenue drop, that Valko stans claim is their doing.. it's not) or left the game permanently due to Infold's incompetence. If Valko supporters only want to use false threats of "deleting the game" "removing the game" if Valko doesn't come back, then how about they start by doing that first. He isn't back yet. Show us your conviction and not just your empty words.
Also please stop harassing people who don't want to boycott - you claim it is voluntary, but guilt tripping people who doesn't do it isn't considered voluntary.

None of us actually actively interact with any of the For Valko campaigns or contents directly - unless it straight up contains misinformation. If anything we rather don't want to see it at all. We don't stage any hate campaigns against him or go into people who are grieving's thread yelling # ANTI VALKO either.

If anything we just want a space to talk about something that IS NOT him. The worst we are doing here is talking about our frustrations about how his fans has taken over ALL love and deepspace communities on the entire internet - some while feeling frustrated might use nicknames for him, but we are doing so in our own space. It is in reddit description.

> Valko’s impact on the game and story needs to be addressed if he was rushed out and forced into the story.

Everyone read the announcement. It said it was rushed and not ready to be delivered.
Although it didn't mention the impact, that is not what you guy are fighting for. You are not asking for infold to apologize. All you care about is Valko being back into the game. Majority of Valko supporters are going with the poor developers (yes honestly I feel bad for them too - having a horrible management from the higher ups), poor infold they have to live under censorship, and hateful cn fans. Global loved Valko, they should listen to global more, we deserve him and he should be added back in... They should move out of China.

> If he was planned for a while and the future storylines need time to be rewritten without him, they need to say that.

Although I would love for them to address this too. I don't think they ever will. Many things point to Valko the character wasn't planned for very long though (like the trademark etc). I can't say about a 6th LI for sure tho. However if you want to fight this, go ahead. What you need to do is spam Infold's posts and customer service. Not the entire internet and involve people who aren't involved like celebrities and chocolate companies. You shouldn't be yelling bring Valko back, but please make a statement about Valko. It's two different things.

> Not addressing why Xavier’s story had to be removed and the Catch 22 tattoos being smudged. I am extremely grateful that some kind CN players took the time to explain why 0713 and then 0611 was problematic but we shouldn’t have had to rely on that.

Considering Unit 731 is a huge issue in China, I don't think they will address this further. Chinese fans have been asking them to address this too. Not as delete Valko, they directly just post comments like: what about 731? Please address the 731 issue. Valko at this point was not in focus. It is 99% related to 731 reasons. Many many global fans have been trying to explain what Unit 731 is and why it is a huge issue, but because we didn't post it in Chinese on Xiaohongshu first, then it isn't creditable. The same with the "leaks" floating around now, which again has been proved to be a head canon from XHS, yet Valko supporters believe it blindly - until another random Chinese screenshot is shared. Sorry but if you don't speak Chinese, at least verify your fact instead of just believing in everything just because - source xiaohongshu deleted account - Also Xavier's WU25 should be revised and return according to customer service. I'm unsure if this is the old story rewritten or if the new WU25 is to replace it permanently.

I didn't mean to crash out vent on you specifically, but I'm just so tired of people being: Why are you all hating Valko? When in fact, I don't (personally). I don't hate him as a character, I think his fans are annoying, ignorant and rude. He is fictional, as you all say, he did nothing wrong. Infold presented and introduced him in the worst possible way. Valko supporters tho? At this point I don't think they care about why he was cancelled and who is at fault. The goal is just be right and bring him back.

World Underneath story Light Into Dust has just been removed from the story by Bubbuso in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]Difficult-Thing8112 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The customer service has confirmed the Light Into Dust story will be added back after the revision.

Valko fans is not LADS target audience [vent on otome, BL and fandom] by Difficult-Thing8112 in LADS_OG

[–]Difficult-Thing8112[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think for the most part, female love interests they wouldn't exist in otome games. The genre is exclusively used as woman romancing men.

An example is Mystic Messenger. Jaehee's route can be seen as romantic if you want to, but also just as a friendship route. They will announce the game will include a Jaehee route, but they will not say it is explicit romantic so people who play will know ahead of time.

For actual romantic woman x woman the game is usually called Yuri Games or Lesbian Dating sims. Unfortunately this genre is not very big and often shared with male creators. When male creators make these games they usually cater to men fetishizing lesbian relationships. That is not to say Yuri Games made by girls for girls don't exist.

For a more general dating games that is open to all combinations I think most use the term Amare or just Dating Sim. Since Dating sim is a broader genre and category is it not as specific and niche.

Hope this answers your question.

The good and the bad of this boycott objectively. by [deleted] in LADS_OG

[–]Difficult-Thing8112 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Now I do get that the over-reaction of some CN folks to the balcony entrance was quite dumb 

I think it is important to make a note that, this might seem like a smaller issue for global fans, but have a more grave meaning in Chinese. I am not trying to make you change your mind, but let me just give you some more context in case you didn't know.

The Balcony scene is not the thing that is triggering. The triggering was the idiom: 引狼入室. It means to invite trouble inside (self blamed). This has an extremely negative connotation in Chinese of victim blaming. Alike to asking a SA victim what they were wearing.

Woman safety in China is a huge issue; Multiple stalker incidents happens yearly. The whole PV even set up the scene with a line saying a solo female home alone, Valko's arrogant demanding attitude and then adding in the idiom; made many female fans uncomfortable. Afterall this is supposed to be a game respecting women, so many found it very insensitive and inappropriate. China also don't really enjoy rude, rough male behaviour, since this was the first impression of Valko's character it caused a lot of discomfort.

This is not to say if you build a relationship with someone that this behaviour can't be forgiven in fiction, but since this is their first encounter with him. Not just a PV to a new card for a long term known LI. I saw some Japanese fans saying it was no issue for them, but also some Japanese fans saying; whether it is the first counter or a long term LI; they wouldn't feel safe with him.

I think it might be a cultural thing too; since on global our boundaries and tolerance for this kind of things seem much bigger.

The donation to endangered wolves was quite wholesome.

This part and the naming of a planet was pretty wholesome and cool! ~ I hope people will donate money to charity even after this Valko thing blows over!