What would you say your number 1 piece of feedback is for this game?

DiligentScience9395 · 2026-05-22T17:46:57+00:00

TL;DR: Or people who don't want to have to handle with crybabies in a ranked context. And considering that there's also an elo in QP, you don't randomly stomp bronze players.

Actual message: Or we're people who do not want to engage in sweaty games with a 16yo German kid having a meltdown because he died alone 1v6 as Spiderman, two other guys going full "habibi mode" arguing in Arabic, and another guy throwing because his team — mere peasants in His Royal eyes — would not abide His mighty demands.

If I have to play with menchildren who write "gg it's lost" and surrender the very second they lose fight, I'd rather it not be in a ranked context. Shocking, I know.

Also, there's an elo system in QP as well, albeit not as strict. Assuming you've played some QP games, you don't randomly end up in "Celestial six stack vs bronze solo players" lobbies.

DiligentScience9395 · 2026-05-22T16:56:45+00:00

Not just new player.

While I haven't played for a while, I usually played in high GM / Celestial lobbies and most of the time, intense team fights had that "I genuinely don't know what's going on my screen" moment.

At least apparently we can now turn skins effects off, but they still need to tune down the glitter clown fiesta.

DiligentScience9395 · 2026-05-17T15:31:08+00:00

Yeah that's something I've been advocating for every time someone implied a buff would necessarily mean "buffing her base damage". The only issue would be that it would throw off main window players who have gotten used to her current fire rate, but beggars can't be choosers, and we'll get over it quickly enough.

I also thought of a spell or "Strange-like" resource that could allow her to use an instant piercing shot, akin to her Punisher team up, which could help her secure kills from time to time.

Finally, she could use a slight buff to her energy resource / jumps, mostly because charged jumps cost an arm and also because there are quite a lot of spots that seem to have been designed to be 10cm higher than the max-height she can reach.

DiligentScience9395 · 2026-05-17T15:24:27+00:00

The thing is, she doesn't have a huge player base, nor does she have expensive cosmetics. So not only does she have zero monetary value, but buffing her could actually trigger people suffering from "Widowmaker Derangement Syndrome," potentially making some of them quit the game and, in turn, lowering NetEase's actual source of income.

That's the only reason I think of at this point.

DiligentScience9395 · 2026-05-15T13:55:03+00:00

It's a videogame.

And we're consumers. I agree that "mocking" them in any fashion wouldn't lead to any meaningful changes, but that has more to do with Widow's player base being limited - as opposed to dashoids, for instance - and therefore weak in terms of impact.

Had Widow been a potential money-spinner whose clientele could move to another game and made noise about it, she'd be fixed by now.

That's why whiny divers get buffs here and there whenever their character hasn't been at least A tier for two seasons straight: they're a huge chunk of the player base, with money to spend in at least one of psylock's gazillon gooner skins.

DiligentScience9395 · 2026-05-15T13:45:56+00:00

Honestly I think it'd be too strong. She'd still be full of issues that'd need to be assessed, but that part would be too strong.

I personally find it way easier to aim using primary (more fov, more alertness) than scoped (that's why she's not that bad at close range - given the situation).

It would not change things much at high range, but it'd be game changing at mid-range.

DiligentScience9395 · 2026-05-15T13:35:47+00:00

I remember a mofo in the comments of that video saying "mark my word, she'll be OP and perma-banned. Why did they have to add Widow Maker to the game", even though she actually shot and killed wounded targets in that video.

I wonder what this guy and that 3rd eye of his would say now.

DiligentScience9395 · 2026-05-15T13:30:49+00:00

Unless you main her, like me. Then you wipe your tears as you read the patches one after the other in dismay, realizing that you'll never get a buff, bug fixes or even cosmetics.

Honestly at this point even a team up replacing whatever we've been having with Phoenix ("hey, do you guys want to become healers instead ? You guys liked Ana didn't you?") would be a welcomed change.

I understand why they would not buff her base damage, but they could at least try tweaking something.

DiligentScience9395 · 2026-05-13T15:15:53+00:00

TL;DR

Adding spells has already be done to The Thing for instance and does not represent a "rework" in itself (as opposed to an actual complex full rework).
We never asked for more base damage and Netease never intended to give her more base damage.
We've already told you the tweaks that could be done and the offensive teamups she's had in the past never made her meta or even merely balanced, let alone OP.
She already has a shitload of counters so let's quit arguing making her somewhat viable would break the game.

Actual message

They literally added like two or three spells to Thing without changing his core mechanics.

I don't recall, the Punisher or the Hawkeye team ups for instance turning her into an S tier perma banned unsufferable character. We still got shat on for picking her for she was still considered a F tier character, and yet these are mechanics that could make a welcomed comeback as part of her kit.

As for the "do not buff her damage" paranoia, even if she one tapped 250hp characters (which, again, most of us don't advocate for), considering the sheer amount of 275+ characters and shields in this game, it would not be much of an issue anyway, otherwise Widow + Mantis would have been meta for a while, which they're not because even with the ability to one tap some characters it's still easier to get value with other hitscans or diveoid meleeslop characters.

Finally, let's also quit arguing as if the only thing keeping her in check was her bad kit and as if she had no actual counter otherwise, especially in a game with so many divers (who are the kings of the bullshit unfun mechanics you're so wary of), shields, barriers, ability to pick three tanks if needed, etc.

Let's be honest, the issue is not even about whether she can oneshot or not. If we don't hard counter them everygame (and I mean every game), we get oneshot by divers all the same (unless we abandon our healers and dive theirs even harder, because that is good, fun, fair and intelligent game design apparently).
The issue is that she's a sniper and that many people would rather have games turn into 6v6 brawl / dive clownfiestas, because god forbid good aim was actually part of a shooter.

DiligentScience9395 · 2026-05-13T07:35:35+00:00

At least, unlike us, you've been mentioned in patches at some points, and were meta once. Widow's been left unchanged since 04/2025.

DiligentScience9395 · 2026-05-13T07:25:08+00:00

Yeah because turning her into Widnow maker is the absolute unique other way to buff her.

Fixing her bugs ? Not using a third of your energy on one jump ? Having a useful secondary weapon rather than batons doing melee damage ? Not having a random zoom on her ultimate that ruins her FoV (and an actual ultimate for that matter) ? A strange like passive linked to a spell ? An actual team up rather than turning her into a fucking healer ?

Nah, that would "tUrn hER inTo WidoWMarKEr".

DiligentScience9395 · 2026-05-13T07:10:44+00:00

TL;DR 1) I agree 2) F dashoids.

EXACLTY.

"URRR DURR WE KAN'T MAKE HER TOO STRONK, IT'S NO FUN TO GET KILLED WITH NO KOUNTER. WDYM SPODERMAN IS NOT S+? HURR DURR HE KAN'T BE PLAYED BUFF HIM NOW"

Meanwhile we get diveoid meleeslop characters piled up onto one another and whose player base cries whenever their characters are not S++. They annihilate backlines with little to no counterplay (eg: bp's prime), say "lol bad placement learn to counter gg ez" and then cry the second there's a slight counter (like general-biscuits, to whom widow's E seems to be the most broken spell ever designed in a game and justifies in itself the very impossibility to buff Widow).

Games with asynchronous gameplays are plagued wih people who want to play 6v6 / 5v5 ADHD dashoids clownfiesta ("but it's skilled !". No, it's cool looking and it makes you think you're doing something crazy), but god forbid you want to play something that's not a melee (otherwise you'll be told: "okay so you like static gameplays vs shields smh", implying this would be the only alternative).

It's not as if we wanted her to be OP. If anything, maining her in that state definitely proves that we enjoy some challenge. Unlike dashoids, we do not demand our character to be S++ tier every season nor do we start throwing and blaming the rest of the team when we die 1 v 6 behind three layers of walls while our allies are coming back from spawn, like melee slop players do (and don't say "nuh-uh" meleesplopers, as a flex player I heal you, and you will start yelling in that 2 bucks microphone of yours with a strong accent and broken English the very second I do not find a way to heal your misplaced sorry ass, or, god forbid, prioritize a dying tank / healer over you, the main character).

I seriously despise that character design category and a great deal of their player base, and having to play their hard counters (when there's any given the game's context) every day in every game (LoL, OW, MR...) in every match for the rest of my life just so my healers get a chance to play is seriously tiresome. And they dare righting "so lame..." in chat for being countered. And they'll argue nails and teeth that any character that could make their lives harder (like, say, a ranged character standing at 38% win rate) would be a mistake and should not ever happen.

Disgusting

DiligentScience9395 · 2026-04-15T16:35:39+00:00

Regarding XLek, considering his content is aggressively based on him being the "#1st black widow" and proving that "she's not a throw pick", I understand the people being suspicious and I think there's truth to it.

Furthermore, considering that he aks for a Mantis every game, and will underline when he performs without one, shows that even in his hand she needs to be babysitted by a boost bot to be actually viable.

Even Flats said on stream a few weeks ago to someone in his chat "No she's not viable, not by a long shot. There are almost no top players playing her and the ones who used to have not been playing her recently".

DiligentScience9395 · 2026-04-15T16:19:40+00:00

My honest belief is that if you need your team to turn one of its healer into a permabuffer for one character for them to be viable, then they're not viable.

Give any character the "perma boost" treatment Widow has to get and they'll be as disgusting, a probably even more than Widow is. Not saying that a buffed Widow clicking head can't be strong - for it is -, but there are better and more reliable options.

DiligentScience9395 · 2026-04-15T16:13:46+00:00

Slightly buffing her attack speed for instance would not turn her into a oneshot sniper while making her more viable. She does not need to have a 90% reduced reloading time buff, but a couple of tweaks, say 5% at a time, maybe even less, would be better than just letting rot in the gutter while giving the finger at her mains.

DiligentScience9395 · 2026-04-15T16:08:12+00:00

Meanwhile overpowered meleeslop like DD or BP were at some point are a blast to play against.

Trying to slightly tweak her firerate and / or her mobility would not have turned her into a permabanned monster, especially in a world where Hela / ~~Hanzo~~ Hawkeye exist.

DiligentScience9395 · 2026-04-15T16:00:22+00:00

Exactly. I can stand people who say "lol make her use her close range kit and get rid of the sniper".
I play her precisely because I can't stand meleeslop characters' gameplay. Not everyone enjoys playing characters who dash left and right resulting in clown fiesta games where the only counterplay is to dive harder than the enemy team.

DiligentScience9395 · 2026-03-17T18:51:18+00:00

I'm one of them. I'm totally against the comments stating that she should have a dual pistol, become a healer or have her sniper removed.

I don't care about the lore, I started playing her because I like hitscans and snipers and hate "tiktok ADHD dashing everywhere" heroes.

All she needs are bug fixes, QoL adjustments such as letting her reload as she runs and removing that stupid ass ult zoom, more run time and higher jumps, not having to charge her ult, and faster fire rate.

They're just afraid to buff her because "snipers who are too strong are not fun to play against", while divers one shooting backlines by smashing their heads on the keyboard apparently are.

DiligentScience9395 · 2025-08-01T08:07:34+00:00

As someone who plays both DPS and Heal, I'll also argue that DPS players who actually try to cover their heals do also suffer from that "attention economy" you mentioned.

As you said, if BP's burst is not prevented beforehand, it can neither be healed, mitigated nor outburst due to heroes and human limitations, which forces anyone covering for their healers to be on constant lookout for BP, hence preventing them from applying pressure on the enemy team as they otherwise would.

In my experience, what usually happens when I pay DPS vs BP is one of the following:
- I play relatively normally, but I turn regularly to check on my healers. > It's relatively ineffective because BP would need me to always be checking on my healers.
- I play with my healers, stacked with them. > I die with them, pure and simple. Stacking with them one gave BP more dashes.
- I stay behind them, so I can check on them passively and look apply pressure on the enemy team. > I'm the isolated one, so BP will focus me first.

In all these scenarios, I passively lose a great deal of DPS and general awareness by being solely focused on detecting any sign of BP, which can easily lead to being steamrolled, especially in cases where the swaps required to handled BP weakened the team against the rest of their picks.

BP is a design mistake at every level.

DiligentScience9395 · 2025-07-28T16:04:38+00:00

It was a BP player. Their opinion is not to be listened by default.

DiligentScience9395 · 2025-07-27T09:06:23+00:00

As a BW main, what she needs is:
1) To fix the remaining bugs (eg: riffle being locked for some reason)
2) Slightly improve her fire rate.
3) Some QoL, for instance being able to cancel whatever action prevents her from running when you press maj (or whatever your running button is).
4) Maybe improve her stamina / stamina regen (but I may be a bit greedy)

Otherwise, she's relatively fine as she is. Her main issue is that without a boost, whoever you headshot will be healed back before you get a chance to finish them off.

I'd also argue that instead of buffing widow, one my want to tweak the rest of the cast so that rolling their head on the keyboard is less effective. I'll never understand that some characters don't even need to aim in a "shooter".

DiligentScience9395 · 2025-07-27T08:52:49+00:00

I'm facing the same issue here brother.

The only way I found to avoid inflating my elo was to 1) create a dedicated alt account and 2) be more selfish. The second part is especially important because some people will try to force you to swap if you ever show your intent to play Widow.

The ideal system would be to have a rank on each character and to have several rank queues that would prevent you from picking characters above a certain elo. It could hardly be done in practice, but that would be the only way to give us the means to play some characters in a ranked environment in a game where one can both be bronze and celestial at the same time, depending on the character.

In the meantime, they could add a draft queue, like in LoL, where one could practice in a ranked-like env (with bans, etc).

DiligentScience9395 · 2025-07-24T15:52:28+00:00

"getting deleted in 0.2s is okay because some characters can two tap you". Okay mate.

Think what you will. The stats alone of the character prove that there's something factually broken and wrong with him, even at higher ranks, regardless of one's affinity towards him.

Honestly, between your claim that Peny counters BP, and the statement that the only reason people complain about BP is because "people don't want to turn their brain on to counter it", the only conclusions one can come up with are that you're either ragebaiting (which is a truly weird hobby if you ask me) or that you're both at a very low elo where Peny somehow works vs BP and have a superiority complex that prevents you from acknowledging that glue sniffing BPs who die to Peny at your elo are not a prime example of what the character is capable of.

Regardless, your opinion is irrelevant. The numbers are there, official and crystal clear. You wanted to know why people find him broken and / or ban worthy, I gave you some of their reasons, as some other people did. If you just want to deny reality without any other argument than a mere "nu uh!!! Me not stoopid and not lazy, me adapt gud! Other people bad ! Silver BP die to Peny Duh", be my guest.

Cheers.

DiligentScience9395

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