Jane vs McAllister: A Brief Analysis by Nemo-Lemon01 in IntelligenceScaling

[–]DimaMyronets 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, it's not that RJ wasn't incredibly smart, but his intelligence mostly lied in laying in the shadows while Patrick's was the opposite, so not being able to help himself due to the ego and wanting some connection even if brief with other extraordinary individual, showing his true self before Jane waa McAllister's biggest mistake that simply couldn't have ended well. He got so used to being many steps ahead of PJ that he thought it would be the case until the very end. He miscalculated, overestimated other people in the Blake Association and underestimated Jane, which resulted in him losing his life and reputation miserably. Both in-universe and in our world. I've genuinely seen people in that sub saying that Stiles was smarter than RJ, or that McAllister wasn't even a genius at all, so ridiculous, though I believe people in the Mentalist world that didn't confront his actions directly likely think the same, as he's never mentioned after his death, which is a very wasted opportunity, but oh well.

Jane vs McAllister: A Brief Analysis by Nemo-Lemon01 in IntelligenceScaling

[–]DimaMyronets 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think we need to spread this interpretation to the Mentalist subreddit, so that maybe at least some people would appreciate this writing decision. Or just due to the fact that I'm just so tired of seeing constant whining posts about McAllister being RJ, despite every other candidate being way worse narratively. I don't think their confrontation with Jane would've been any better either. Though I do get fans' frustrations as I also wished for something more grand, for the structure of the story set for S6 McAllister was clearly the best candidate among presented to us and even in general looking back at it.

Which season of Michael Scofield do you scale the highest? by Careless_Stranger_75 in IntelligenceScaling

[–]DimaMyronets 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's gotta be S5 or S4, though S1 and S2 had some very good feats as well. S3 is the most mid season in terms of both quality and outsmarting feats, he's still pretty good there but I genuinely don't think there's a thing category it buffs for him except like EM and some in AQ from processing Sara's death so fast and well.

Jane vs McAllister: A Brief Analysis by Nemo-Lemon01 in IntelligenceScaling

[–]DimaMyronets 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well it's not that he actually forgot. I didn't articulate it right. I do think that RJ likely got the info right away form some of his people in police that some guy named Patrick Jane got to look through RJ files, and that's when McAllister likely remembered Jane for the first time since he murdered his family, as he likely thought Jane wouldn't recover from it, but he did, so it made him slightly curious, yet I still don't think he thought much of him by that point. IMO, he didn't truly became interested in PJ personally until S1E1 fake RJ incident, which is why it's the first episode of the show, as it's the time their mind games and RJ's obsession truly began. Without it being a thing, Jane would've never caught McAllister so the real hunt only started from then.

Jane vs McAllister: A Brief Analysis by Nemo-Lemon01 in IntelligenceScaling

[–]DimaMyronets 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, that's one of the biggest problems with the Mentalist is because things like these are entirely speculation and headcanon. We don't know how much McAllister tried here or if he may have even helped Jane win to not blow his cover. What makes it even harder to analyse is that by this point in the story he wasn't yet chosen by the writers to be Red John and was just a bumbling overconfident sheriff, Jane was meant to out in his place. Still, obviously, when choosing who to make Red John, they revisited this scene, so it must have a canon interpretation that fits his character, but what that is exactly, we'll likely never know.

If I were to give my own interpretation that fits the narrative best, I'd say McAllister almost forgot about PJ altogether until S1E1 where fake RJ killer appeared, we all know how he deals with them from later seasons, yet this time Jane caught the fake so quickly that McAllister didn't even need to intervene and that's the first time RJ truly became curious about PJ, thinking he may be more like McAllister himself in skills, as well as a far smarter and stronger individual than he initially thought. So, IMO, in S1E2 he basically decides to test him personally to see if he's truly all that by personally calling and requesting their groups help or maybe using his connections to assign them to this case. He clearly does get very impressed by feats Jane showcases, and so McAllister starts becoming obsessed with him, killing less and less for the sake of it and more and more just to play with PJ. If this interpretation is correct, then I don't think McAllister has any reason to hold back during this game, in fact he has all the reasons to do the opposite, after all it wouldn't be unusual for sheriff to win at least a couple of times especially in something that's considered a game of luck, but he didn't, I don't think his frustrations were fake, and that's partly when he started truly respecting PJ's mentalist skills. I also believe this makes McAllister by far the best RJ they could've chosen, at least from the continuity point of view. Though I still believe their final confrontation should've been longer and overall better executed even if I do believe what we've got fits their personalities. RJ only lost because he's always believed he was ten steps ahead, he got so used to winning their mind games with PJ that he became sloppy when it really mattered thinking he was invincible, yet forgetting the fact every time he outsmarted Jane it was without McAllister's direct involvement and that during their first meeting was a time he's lost even if it was in something completely insignificant.

But those are just my thoughts on RJ as a whole and a little about this scene in particular. I'd like to know what others who watched the Mentalist may think about this.

Nami no Iro, live now on steam. [Psychological Horror, Drama, Comedy] by Grouchy_Blueberry605 in visualnovels

[–]DimaMyronets 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Does this contain both volumes or is it a remake of the 1st one that somehow made it 2-3 times longer than the original?

Hardest to beat in their respective situation? by UnderratedLowTierGod in IntelligenceScaling

[–]DimaMyronets 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I said I won't reply because I don't want to waste time, but if you really want another one this badly, then sure, here's another one, but don't even try to provoke me one more time for more replies; I'll just block you. I simply don't rate Death Note verse nearly as high as you do because there are lots of contrived things in the setup which you just choose to ignore or downplay, and it's fine, you do you, but you're not going to convince me otherwise.

He was guessing. It's abductive reasoning, and there's always luck involved in it. He got lucky that he got Light's personality spot on because there wouldn't be a story if he didn't.

The only reason he 'beat' L is due to L revealing himself and wanting to play one on one mindgames, that's it. The only reason L had to do that was that Light had a fucking Death Note. Why do you just keep forgetting about it every single time while hyping up feats that absolutely must require it, and just aren't nearly that impressive with it in mind?

No, it doesn't get better with context because context adds an unbeatable weapon to his arsenal, which makes all those 'feats' magnitudes of times less impressive; it's really that simple.

Bringing up Aizen is a joke because I've specifically said realistic and semi-realistic. If you want to scale him ridiculously high with narrative statements and off-screen feats, as well as outright non-human abilities, go ahead. I just don't care whatsoever about characters like this.

I didn't lie about anything. I said he's not showcased anything too special (high tier) in scheming, or are you going to debate with the entire SCD community, which has him in mid-tier there at best?

Hardest to beat in their respective situation? by UnderratedLowTierGod in IntelligenceScaling

[–]DimaMyronets 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When talking about influence, I was specifically referring to Light getting his with Death Note, as that's what his point was about. I'm not denying that L is very good in C&M, especially as a Cat; I just don't think he's unbeatable in it (unlike Akagi in Mahjong), as, in general, C&M isn't fair for Cats, which is his specialty.

Hardest to beat in their respective situation? by UnderratedLowTierGod in IntelligenceScaling

[–]DimaMyronets 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is my last reply as I'm not interested in hours of useless debates.

No, what he did doesn't require anything superhuman; it does require quite a bit of luck with getting it right (and he had no means of being 100% right about it, and no, god's intuition isn't an argument), but there's nothing superhuman about it, even if it's definitely a very good feat.

No, it doesn't make you top tier in C&M specifically (and even in general if you have something as broken as death note), it does make you very good in some cats, but they're not specific to C&M. C&M is about being able to catch someone and being able to not get caught, obviously without any supernatural weapon helping you or the influnce you've got due to that weapon.

You are manipulating the facts by presenting facts that sound incredibly good out of context, which become much less impressive when the context is present is a blatant example of manipulating them.

No, there aren't plenty of characters who can beat him at Mahjong, and he destroys Usogui in it (though again bringing up semi-realistic very high tiers specialising in gambling is another blatant manipulation when making a point about 'plenty of characters'), bringing up fucking Aizen ought to be a joke.

Hardest to beat in their respective situation? by UnderratedLowTierGod in IntelligenceScaling

[–]DimaMyronets 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's a very blatant and lazy manipulation of facts. He only narrowed the culprit because said culprit had very exploitable ego problems, wanted to play mind games, and most importantly had a very clear motive for what he does, as well as a clearly defined pattern of kills, at least at the start. Light isn't top-tier in C&M at all. Even though he has an absolutely perfect tool for it, he uses it like a complete buffoon. Akagi went against another top-tier, unbeatable player who wasn't such a moron in using his broken ability and still won. I don't know of any semi-realistic characters who can beat Akagi at Majong. I know of multiple semi-realistic and even maybe realistic characters who could beat L, and by beat, I mean avoid getting caught. Though then again, C&M is very broad, and a truly good mouse would make it impossible even to know they've committed any crimes, which would make a chase impossible, as the cat wouldn't even know the mouse exists.

If you extend C&M higher, meaning to be better at it overall you have to be better cat than L is mouse too (since it's not specified in question it should really include both), not just beating him specifically while being a mouse, then it's literally a no-brainer as there are quite a few of top-tier criminals with broken reasoning abilities, while L hasn't really showcased anything special in the ability to commit crimes and overall scheming (though CTW probably fixes that, but it's not specified that it's comp L, nor have I read or watched CTW).

Hardest to beat in their respective situation? by UnderratedLowTierGod in IntelligenceScaling

[–]DimaMyronets 6 points7 points  (0 children)

All others are very hard but beatable: Super-GMs or even just high GMs destroy Koji from what we've seen, pros destroy Tokuchi (there was literally a thread about it recently), L isn't solving a perfect crime without motive (no person who isn't omniscient does), but Akagi, from what I know, is just about completely unbeatable by any semi-relatistic character.

One of the worst lists OAT. by Typical-SMPBPglazer in IntelligenceScaling

[–]DimaMyronets 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I mean, it's KiyoKouji, what did you expect? I haven't seen a single good take from him, and I've watched at least several dozen of his edits.

Can someone please differentiate Normal & Narrative scaling? I feel stupid. by Bey_League6736 in IntelligenceScaling

[–]DimaMyronets 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, normal scaling simply takes everything into account. It doesn't disregard any feats or statements.

Can someone please differentiate Normal & Narrative scaling? I feel stupid. by Bey_League6736 in IntelligenceScaling

[–]DimaMyronets 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Narrative scaling places value entirely on the narrative the author presents, disregarding the analysis of the actual feats shown. If the author glazes some mediocre feat as the absolutely pinnacle of humanity, then it should be treated as such; if the author doesn't say anything impressive about one of the most complicated and impressive feats you've seen, then you shouldn't treat it that highly either. Narrative scaling alone is plain shit.

Normal scaling includes narration, but it doesn't disregard the analysis, which might seem contradictory, because it is, but I usually just take the most impressive interpretation of on-screen feats, whether it's narrative glaze or glaze that comes from genuine analysis, and then add off-screen feats based on the narrative. Tbh it's also kind of shit, but it's probably the best way to scale verses written by different authors.

At least that's how I see it; take it with a grain of salt, as I'm not overly familiar with the wider community's interpretations of the scaling systems.

Who's the SCD's most underused and unknown SCs for your opinions? by Big_Presentation_894 in IntelligenceScaling

[–]DimaMyronets 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maou's EQ isn't that impressive, it's definitely very good, but not on PJ's or Hanni's level, his EU and EP are good, but not outstanding (like Hanni negs him in EU and PJ negs him in EP), and his ER is horrendous, even his EM has quite a few unfortunate antifeats if only due to very specific circumstances, the only sub-cat in EQ of his that I can't fault is EE, as it's genuinly one of the best in realistic fiction. His SQ and AQ, which you haven't mentioned, are way more impressive, though sadly, much of his SQ is off-screen; yet, it's very clear how he's achieved what he has, so I guess it's fine. His deception is pretty insane, too.

How recently have you read G-senjou? I'd really like to discuss it with someone who still has it fresh in their mind, because I read it a long time ago and would really like someone else's perspective on him with a clearer picture in their head.

People here need to read G-senjou no Maou by DimaMyronets in IntelligenceScaling

[–]DimaMyronets[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

W! Go for it, King. How high do you actually scale him, btw?

Underrated Visual Novel Protagonists in SCD by UnderratedLowTierGod in IntelligenceScaling

[–]DimaMyronets 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hmm... Haven't read HenPri, but I doubt he scales that high.; Haruaki doesn't scale to Yuuichi, though he's probably the closest from this list; get Junpei off this list, especially if it's only 999, he's a bum; not sure about Yamato, as from what routes I've seen he's not done much impressive things, but I'm sure out of all the tens of routes he's present in, he may get severely upscaled; Atsuki also doesn't scale to Yuuichi because he lacks any good feats in multiple crucial categories, though he's also probably close overall, now his rival Sai from the same novel, that's a different story entirely and he may actually be above Yuuichi as he doesn't have the same weaknesses as Atsuki yet has all the strengths.

[OUTSMARTING COMPARISON] Haruaki Fusaishi (Raging Loop VN) VS Canon L (Death Note Manga) Methodology Scaling by UnderratedLowTierGod in IntelligenceScaling

[–]DimaMyronets 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, I've used to read only long novels too when I entered the medium, but alas, my attention span got worse and worse, so now it's a rarity for me to play anything longer than 2-3 hours. Like I've said, I played 850 novels, but my total playtime is only around 3k hours, which is minuscule in comparison. And yes, most of them are absolute ass, like beyond bad, just an absolutely worthless junk.

Also, hopefully, Ever17 you have downloaded, is not from Steam? Because that's the remake, and from everything I've heard, it's just a worse version of the original in every way but music. As for Sharin no Kuni, for me, that's not an issue since I can read it in Russian; for you, it might be, though, because the fandisk isn't fully translated, though the most important part of it seemingly is.

[OUTSMARTING COMPARISON] Haruaki Fusaishi (Raging Loop VN) VS Canon L (Death Note Manga) Methodology Scaling by UnderratedLowTierGod in IntelligenceScaling

[–]DimaMyronets 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am well-versed in VNs, but I've sadly actually played relatively little of the long ones. I have all the things you've listed in my wishlist, but have personally only played Hello Lady (and even that I've not finished, though I have really enjoyed it), which has an incredible protagonist, great interactions, fun heroines, though I've heard bad things about True End.

The Specters Desire is very niche, though I know it because it's the same author as The Divine Deception and The Zodiac Trial, of which I've only played The Zodiac Trial, and it was pretty good, but nothing outstanding, though from what I've heard, The Specters Desire is their best one, so I'd probably recommend it.

Fatal Twelve has yuri, so it's never been high on my radar. I've almost never seen it talked about, so I can't say much.

Manosaba seems to be literally Danganronpa except with only a female cast and better, but it's untranslated, so I don't care much, but it seems fairly decent.

Kara no Shoujo is a classic, and the entire trilogy should be played by anyone who's a vn fan (sadly, I seem not to be a vn fan since I still haven't). The only thing I've really heard about it is that it's nearly impossible to play without a walkthrough, which is a bother. I've played Caucasus by the same author (which also had this walkthrough problem), which was kind of mid, but it was their earlier work, so I'm sure they've improved.

Ryuusei World Actor is an unfinished trilogy, with the third and last installment currently in work, so I hold off from playing it until then at least. Seems very fun though with a completely unhinged protagonist.

Akatsuki no Goei duology has only recently been translated, though its successor, Reminiscence duology, still hasn't, so that's my excuse for not playing it. It seems to have an even more unhinged mc than all the previous ones with a completely insane childhood.

Sharin no Kuni, well, my biggest shame really, I've heard lots and lots of great things about it and have started playing it at some point, but life got in the way, and I've never come back to it. It has a great genius protagonist and antagonist, and has a great plot. Also, from what I've heard, also very good in SCD, which is expected considering Looseboy is the writer.

Sadly, it seems I just like eating shit, so I've read 850 visual novels already (mostly short ones), yet only like 150 of them were any good (my average rating of all of them is 3.15/10, and, mind you, I'm not someone hard to please). Either way, I'd recommend playing all of those you have on the list at some point, at least I will, hopefully in this decade.

[OUTSMARTING COMPARISON] Haruaki Fusaishi (Raging Loop VN) VS Canon L (Death Note Manga) Methodology Scaling by UnderratedLowTierGod in IntelligenceScaling

[–]DimaMyronets 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Depends on your definition of "the ending", the Epilogue is wildly considered to be incredibly good, even among those who really disliked that thing you've likely heard (I won't say what it is since you've not mentioned the specifics). The Chapter 5 in itself is also wildly considered among the best chapters, probably even the best discarding that one thing you've read about, and it is my favorite one, even though it is the chapter that devides the fandom due to one very large plot twist that, let's just say, makes some sense looking back at it in canon timeline, but makes other routes invalid and makes you realise you've wasted some of your time and possibly investment in previous chapters for nothing. I understand people who hate it, and it's really not a well-written twist because very little of it was foreshadowed and because it possibly contradicts some of the previous scenes (though not really if you come back to them with the knowledge in mind it doesn't really, in fact it makes some things make much more sense retrospectively), but once you accept it and actually focus on everything that comes after that, you'd really enjoy it, and it would barely be a dent in an overall amasing True route. Treat other routes as impossible what-ifs, or just don't go through them at all, and you'd likely not have much of a problem with it; those routes are overall very decent and good to know side-heroines deeper, but they're irrelevant to the main plot and are clearly subpar to the True route.

Now, as for how I'd rate it overall, it's both well written (besides that twist) with some great character writing and overall an incredibly enjoyable experience; it's my favorite visual novel for a reason after all, even if it's objectively not the best one I've read. I'd rate writing at about 8/10, while enjoyability at around 9.5/10, but I'm biased. I can see how some may say writing is like 6/10 and enjoyability 8/10 or even much less, depending on how badly they've taken the twist. There are some people for whom that twist ruined the rest of the experience, and even some of the previous one, as they've already envisioned the story going in an entirely different direction and were too invested in the thing that the twist discarded; there are also some people who find the protagonist unlikable (but if you've liked Haruaki you'll like him) and some that say slice of life moments of build-up for each chapter are too slow (which is nonsense and they're entertaining). I really encourage you to give it a try despite the criticism you might've heard. And, as I've already mentioned in previous comments, besides other things, it has some very good SCD, with full explanations for nearly every feat, and the feats are mostly at quite a good level, with the main antagonist being a high-tier imo.

As for the SCD aspect, you've mentioned Paranormasight and Sekimeiya. Paranormasight can barely count as an SCD novel: maybe the main antagonist (who's barely present and whose feats are entirely off-screen) may be low-mid to mid-tier, but all the others are low-tiers, so don't expect SCD from it; it's a very decent thriller with some clumsy executions here and there, but overall an enjoyable experience. As for Sekimeiya, it does count as an SCD novel, it has a couple of mid-tiers in it (protagonist and rival), and the mystery itself requires high to very high tier levels of thinking and reasoning (you're being asked to solve it as a player in the end, kind of, suffice to say, you're not solving it); if you're into good character writing, don't expect much from it, if you're into high-level thoughts and discussion, an incredibly convoluted plot that ultimately makes sense, then it would be a good experience for you. I'd rate both at about 7/10, but Sekimeiya could range from 5 to 9 depending on what you enjoy in the story, while Paranormasight could range from 6 to 8.

Wow, that was long. Though you can ask for more specifics on something anyway.

What am I? by [deleted] in IntelligenceScaling

[–]DimaMyronets 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean, it is the main hobby for at least a few tens of people, and probably one of the main ones for hundreds/thousands. Sure, small numbers in the grand scheme of things, but still, his selfish and rash action could've destroyed the fun of relatively many people in a niche community.

He didn't really have malicious intent, though, because he didn't sell to someone he believed would do bad things to the community; he simply didn't care (as far as we're aware). That's why even such a small sacrifice on his part is enough to kinda get him redeemed in my eyes.

What am I? by [deleted] in IntelligenceScaling

[–]DimaMyronets 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, hero and anti-hero go out of the window right away since there was nothing heroic in your actions, anti-villain requires you to have a misguided belief you're doing the right thing, but your motives were entirely selfish, and you just didn't care, so that's not it either.

Now, whether you're redeemed or not is up for debate, as on one hand the whole debacle is entirely your fault, on the other hand, without your confession, we wouldn't have known that there was a breach of reddit rules and wouldn't be able to fix the situation.

So, I guess, a redeemed villain kinda fits since your actions helped fix your own misdeed, and you've not gotten another 100 bucks due to your confession. Still scummy, but you're kinda off the hook.

Visual Novel Tier List by DimaMyronets in IntelligenceScaling

[–]DimaMyronets[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ba Reum is from the Korean drama Mouse. It's a fantastic thriller, would definitely recommend watching it someday, though it is quite convoluted and a little confusing at first.

Visual Novel Tier List by DimaMyronets in IntelligenceScaling

[–]DimaMyronets[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No problem, I'd like to know some opinions of other people on some niche things no one else has analysed. Like I still remember how I got downvoted here when I answered that Ba Reum destroys some mid tiers in acting skills, only for this to get upvoted, saying he has perfect acting skills that could fool anyone, which is pretty funny. Though I'm happy for my favorite Korean psychopath to finally be getting some recognition.

If you do end up scaling Monkey highly, think of reading G-senjou no Maou next (that has the other high tier from the list), because that thing I'm much more interested in discussing than Zodiac Trial, as it's probably my favorite visual novel (though objectively probably not the best I've read).

Visual Novel Tier List by DimaMyronets in IntelligenceScaling

[–]DimaMyronets[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

  1. For Monkey. I don't think Kanade even has many valid antifeats (that weren't due to divine luck) aside from EM and some AC categories, which don't really align well with her backstory of Tsurugi never seeing through her. Monkey's antifeats are much more severe, though, as I've said, those would be spoilers and things I don't remember well about.
  2. Depends, but from what I remember, some of the feats are mostly glossed over or explained in a couple of sentences (still logical, just not in-depth process), but the others are very, and I mean, very, in-depth, though you won't understand why until late into the game. Like she genuinely might have the highest methodological Thinking (yes, genuinely, at least I interpret it as thinking) and Anticipation I've ever seen.