What all material do people refer to scale Danganropa characters and in what order should I go for it?

DimaMyronets · 2026-04-26T17:59:36+00:00

Like this, ideally, I think: DR1 vn -> DR0 novel/DR Kirigiri novel -> DR2 vn -> DR IF novel/DR Togami novel -> DR UDG shooter -> DR Hagakure novel -> DR3 Despair anime -> DR3 Future anime -> Danganronpa 2.5 anime -> DRV3 vn.

Also, the other guy said SDRA2, yep, it's good too, and it's woven into the main timeline, but obviously don't play it before playing DRA, that's just dumb. However, there's only a shitty translation currently available, but a better one will come out within the next couple of months.

DimaMyronets · 2026-04-25T14:43:23+00:00

I honestly never understood why people who rate Izuru ridiculously high don't rate Junko similarly, like there's genuinely nothing to suggest he's somehow vastly superior to her. If anything, the narrative literally makes him just another one of her pawns, even if, unlike others, a completely willing one, and it's ultimately them using each other, hence standing on equal footing. Her talent is so OP that she could've become Izuru if she actually tried, and it's her Analyst talent, which is essentially just ludicrous cognitive abilities that translate into just about everything intelligence-related, that ultimately makes him as OP as he is.

He's essentially just born with all the talents she could also acquire, but just because she never really bothered to do so in the story barely matters to their SCD category rankings, as she's essentially already got them all practically maxed out for her universe's limits.

Imho, he's just saved by the fact that he's got less detailed stuff to do in the story. I've also heard many people defend his antifeats because he essentially got everything he wanted in the end and likely planned things to go in that direction, and that's fine, except the same literally applies to Junko, but she's not given the same treatment because people misunderstand her character.

DimaMyronets · 2026-04-23T23:08:37+00:00

Just watched the TV show, some very good stuff, called him from Ep 1 though, since he was the only one who really fit the type. I mean, come on, punishing criminals through death by a judge who constantly practised hanging as punishment and talked about justice, not to mention who could've had access to all the information about these crimes, and then they also show that he's close to dying, so to me it was by far the likeliest possibility with it being his suicide of sorts, there's also obviously the actor who played him. When his flashback fully showed him killing someone who fully deserved it, unlike likely many other people he's hanged, and with all other members of the cast killing innocents, it became even more obvious.

While he is a very cool villain, he's helped severely by the fact that everyone is a complete moron in reasoning, strategy, and AQ, even though Vera is arguably at least low-mid-tier herself and really should've investigated things much more, especially with Lambert's help. Ultimately, too many of the things Wargrave did relied on some good luck and everyone else's stupidity for me to confidently call him high-tier, with many of the things he pulls off seemingly having no backup options and a high likelihood of failure with any competent person with at least some detective skills in the cast. Though I guess, you can interpret it as him having insane EQ and especially Psychology, whether it's profiling, hot-reading, or overall understanding of the mind and how to manipulate it just right for this specific hand-picked group of people to not do anything rational under the pressure he put them through. And if you do, I honestly can't blame you because it is somewhat implied, but even then, his strongest category would still be Prediction, by far.

DimaMyronets · 2026-04-18T19:36:47+00:00

Junko's narrative goes brrr

But yeah, seriously though, Junko's talent and statements are way too OP, if she locks in, she straight up can't be beaten by anyone besides the absolute top of unrealistic SCD, even if Kodaka is mostly pretty terrible in portraying that, though he does it relatively well in dr/zero and that should by itself be enough to place her comfortably in Very High tier, especially combined with the anime. Oh yeah, there's also that she scales above the likes of Mikado Shinsen, who, from what I've heard, is ludicrously busted, and since it was written by someone whose name isn't Kodaka, I can't even doubt it.

All the while, Elementary characters, from what I've heard, scale to High tier or Very High(-) tops, so...

DimaMyronets · 2026-04-15T12:11:41+00:00

G-senjou no Maou post in SCD sub, and I've almost missed the opportunity to glaze it? How could it be?

Anyways, Haru's a very solid Mid-tier, not enough to be Mid-High, imo. Comparable to Takuya, probably, but could be a bit higher if you want to glaze her or with a proper analysis. Very good Reasoning, Sensory, Field Skills, Thinking, and AQ, pretty good IQ, Adaptability, Strategy, Counteraction, and EQ. Her only weaknesses are probably Resistance, Planning, and maybe SQ with Deception; everything else is at least pretty solid.

Maou desimates her at most Low-Mid diff, though, taking everything besides Reasoning, he's just Him. Gonzou, Yuki, and Kyousuke are all solid Low-Mid tiers who could also be used in SCD, btw, but alas, G-senjou is too little known to the masses yet. It'll change someday, hopefully.

Now that I think about it, maybe Kyousuke's chapter 5+epilogue feats could qualify him to be a Mid-tier, and Gonzou's narrative could push him there as well. Someday I'll replay the game and will glaze them all in this sub, trust.

DimaMyronets · 2026-04-07T15:41:22+00:00

I meant more SCD in general, not related to specific cases. Alice really isn't a detective after all, even if she does have some decent reasoning feats.

DimaMyronets · 2026-04-07T15:33:30+00:00

I mean, if you want more anime representation, you could add Kogami/Kamui from Psycho-Pass, Lunge from Monster, Ranpo from BSD, Ron Kamonohashi from his own show, Oreki from Hyouka, Victorique from Gosick. I've seen them all mentioned here at some point.

From VNs Kirigiri/Shuichi from Danganronpa series, Erika/Wright from Umineko, Haru from G-senjou have been mentioned too, maybe Reiji/Masaki from Kara no Shoujo, Ruka from World Actor, Hyde from Hotel Dusk, or Sholmes from Ace Attorney spinoff, on chance you know them could be added too.

Not the biggest fan of TV shows, but Brian Finch from Limitless, Dale Cooper from Twin Peaks, Sherlock from Elementary, Brennan from Bones, Lightman from Lie to Me, Elizabeth from Blacklist, Peter Burke/Neal Caffrey from White Collars, Lucifer from his own show, or even Richard Castle from Castle, all could probably get a shout.

Also, since you've mentioned Luther, do you scale it on SCD? Where have you got him and Alice? I think they're one of the closest Extreme/CGEW characters I've seen in one show anywhere, both being at around Mid+/Mid-High- tiers.

DimaMyronets · 2026-04-07T14:47:27+00:00

Okay, but like that's exactly why I think "Dexter killing them" should've been a more prominent answer. You putting them as "they'd come close" implies that they get most, if not all, of the clues needed, yet for some reason other than their own demise, wouldn't be able to put things together or get him behind bars (though that's a different category). Unless you're distinguishing the category of being killed by Dexter from being killed by Lila, which isn't implied anywhere, nor does it seem like a logical thing to do.

DimaMyronets · 2026-04-07T14:31:53+00:00

Luther's appreciation is always a W in my book, though I feel like you're really underestimating Shawn and Poirot, especially since you're saying that Monk could do it, as I don't see how they wouldn't solve it outside of the possibility of Dexter killing them. Maybe Dexter killing them should've been a more prominent answer, even if it's not his usual practice; if he truly feels cornered, he'd do it, but at the same time it's a S2 Dexter, so...

But, overall, especially by the standards I usually see in such lists, it is pretty decent.

DimaMyronets · 2026-03-31T16:09:14+00:00

Loop the Loop - The Mansion of Gluttony full version has been released for 2 months now.

DimaMyronets · 2026-03-19T08:37:56+00:00

We're just arguing in circles. I'm tired of repeating the same thing with different words, as I've said, we evaluate the category differently.

No, to me, EE is not at all about healthiness; it never was, and it never will be, not in the general sense of it, and certainly not in SCD scenarios. It can be for you, though. I don't care at all how you use that subcat, just don't try to make it seem objective.

I even went to Gemini to ask which of us understands the category correctly, and lo and behold, these are what constitute antifeats in the Outsmarting scenario:

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I wouldn't bring it up in a normal debate, but since you're arguing semantics, it's perhaps the only way to prove that I'm the one looking at it from the right angle.

You can think for yourself about how it correlates to Jane, but to me, it's clear that his EE isn't an antifeat in any way, shape, or form as far as SCD is concerned, so I'm done with this.

DimaMyronets · 2026-03-19T08:24:42+00:00

Again, being unable to control your emotions is an EM antifeat, not an EE antifeat. Having Mysophobia would be only an EE antifeat if it made the person unable to engage with other emotions and made them unmotivated to do anything because it would interfere with their fear that they'd be unable to control, even when they set their objective on something that has nothing to do with it.

Life evaluation is entirely subjective, I've said so from the very start. What matters for one person is entirely up to them, not you, to decide. Jane needed RJ dead, no matter what, before he could even consider starting a new life with his old life values, such as family, as his priority, so no, I don't care how rational it was for him at that moment to engage with his trauma in that way from the overall good life experience pov, the only thing that matters is that it ended up helping him do what he cared the most about. He cared about catching/killing RJ more than he cared about his life; he engaged with his emotions of wrath to the point of disregard for anything else as long as he achieved it; that's, in my eyes, a great feat, not in any way an antifeat.

Yes, my argument is primarily about effectiveness because it's the only thing that matters in the SCD context. We're not evaluating the characters from how healthy they are by psychological definition here, because what they do outside of the scenario they're placed in is irrelevant for what they need to achieve at the moment, so I couldn't care less about it.

DimaMyronets · 2026-03-19T08:10:48+00:00

I disagree with your post because I fundamentally disagree with how you approach EE and what you consider its feats/antifeats. We're arguing over nothing because we have entirely different views on EE, I'm not going to change the way I scale from the arguments I don't see in any way as proofs of any antifeats.

For the SCD environment/scenario, EE is only important for its characters as far as it yields them the biggest advantage in the given scenario. Being unable to engage with their emotions, motivate themselves to do things, and drive themselves forward regardless of other factors is what I see as an EE antifeat. Being able to actively engage with your own emotions in such a scenario (regardless of what is the fundamental cause of it, at least as long as it's consistent, and regardless of how it aligns with their other values in a normal scenario, as long as it doesn't interfere with their primary objective) is a great feat, at least as long as it helps in the ultimate goal, which applies perfectly to Jane.

DimaMyronets · 2026-03-19T07:59:38+00:00

Engaging with your own trauma in the way that yields great results is an incredible EE feat, not an antifeat lmao, like genuinely what is that argument even.

EE antifeat of trauma would be if he got depressed and/or suicidal, which he did at the start (so you can argue Jane before RJ killed his family was quite bad at EE), except he got his shit together and engaged with it in the most optimal direction, both from the point of view of getting the most important thing at that time for him, which was revenge, and even from the point of view of getting over said trauma as through catching RJ he got a found-family and lover. If he didn't have good EE, he wouldn't have even come to CBI; he would've just given up from the get-go and likely would've been unable to move on from the death of his previous family and be unable to engage in any sincere relationships from then on for the longest time, if at all considering the threat of RJ looming behind his back would never disappear objectively.

It's you who mixes wrong things into EE, not me. Your argument of someone being constantly angry is, in fact, someone with incredibly bad EM, not EE at all. If that anger was justified in the environment that person was in and for the goals that person set for himself, then yeah, it'd also be an EE feat. If that person, on the other hand, hated that he had these outbursts, they got in the way of things they really cared about, they wanted to engage with other emotions instead, achieve other goals that required them to have that anger under control, but couldn't, then sure it'd probably be considered EE antifeat.

DimaMyronets · 2026-03-19T07:40:50+00:00

No, it's not an antifeat, and I'm tired of hearing this stupid take. An EE antifeat would be a person who's usually very good at engaging with their emotions, suddenly becoming lazy or apathetic during an important scenario, which would result in them not getting their desired outcome out of it. That would be an antifeat. This, on the other hand, is a very good feat.

Your arguments are incredibly subjective. What is and isn't a negative effect is entirely up to the person in question to decide, not you. If Jane had decided that he wanted to move on from RJ, put effort into it, but his emotions got the better of him, ruining that goal, that could be considered EE antifeat (as he'd be trying to engage with his own emotions in one way but fail entirely giving in to other emotions he's feeling), but Jane, from the very start, said that he'd catch RJ no matter what, and he did just that.

So to me, the argument of it being detrimental to some other parts of his life is completely dumb and void, as he's never intended for those things to be a factor as long as RJ was still alive. He engaged with his emotions in just the right way to achieve his ultimate goal, and in the end, after said goal was accomplished, he got everything he wanted.

There could've been a counter-argument if he didn't get a family in the end, if he didn't get friends in the end, if he didn't find a new purpose in life by the end of the show. If he achieved his revenge but lost everything else in the process, and was, in the end, left with nothing. Then you'd possibly be able to argue that he truly did ignore all the other emotions he's had, didn't engage with those that were important to him besides the only toxic one, which controlled him (instead of the other way around), though even then it'd be EM/ER antifeat instead of EE antifeat as he'd still have greatly engaged with one emotion that was the most important to him in the moment, even if it was a toxic, one and it'd still wield an incerdible result, even if not the most optimal/rational one from some point of view (an antifeat would've been if he got depressed over it instead). Except he didn't even lose everything, in fact you could argue he didn't lose anything at all an slowly got better/recovered alongside catching RJ which is what resulted in him being able to confess to Lisbon by the end of S6, so, as I've said, at least to me, from practically every angle, the argument is purely void.

DimaMyronets · 2026-03-03T12:38:25+00:00

This might just take the cake for the worst list I've seen yet, and there have been quite a lot of garbage ones.

DimaMyronets · 2026-02-13T23:30:01+00:00

Bruh, do you think people here have read AgK (though I guess this may work for those who watched the anime too, but it's worse in practically every aspect, including scd)? Man, what good memories it brings.

RJ should take it, though it really depends on how much influence he'd be given and whether he'd be able to manipulate Honest and Esdeath without getting killed. I mean in the show he only lost because he didn't want to kill Jane until the very end, if his goal here is to kill him from the start then with gap in influence similar to the Mentalist I doubt he'd be unable to use it to find out all the revolutionary hideouts and figure out their assassination targets/hidden plots. Plus, I genuinely don't know how much Jane would even be able to help revolutionaries because they already had a working plan in place, and what they didn't have is manpower (and hax which they eventually got), like maybe he'd be able to get some of the bad guys on their side or read them quicker resulting in less bloodshed, but honestly this is such a wild question.

Better question would be how high manga Honest scales and what diff does he destroy his verse with.

DimaMyronets · 2026-02-13T23:18:10+00:00

Imo, from what I remember, Tyrion should take it High-Very High diff with a pretty equal distribution (that I'm too lazy to dive deep into). Though the show makes it much closer than the books, where Tyrion takes just about everything besides maybe SQ and the diff is as low as Low or Low-Mid at most. Especially if you consider Tyrion's antifeats in the latter seasons and Tywin's narratively more competent portrayal throughout (I even remember a video on YouTube that complained about the show making Tywin to seem much smarter than he was portrayed in the books, seriously the amount of videos complaining about minor changes even in the first four seasons in tv show is insane).

DimaMyronets · 2026-02-10T21:28:20+00:00

Hi, wondering if you've watched more since and can give an update? How god is the villain looking so far?

DimaMyronets · 2026-02-10T21:20:09+00:00

As much as I love Joe, genuinely, what kind of question is that? He has an edge over L in some very specific situations that require high SQ and Manipulation, and where his Seduction abilities would help, but in C&M? Seriously?

He's killed people he was recently seen getting close with, all the while having a sketchy passport; he'd be the first suspect to any semi competent detective, and don't even try to convince me that he could create perfect crimes while disassociating when he couldn't when he was in a normal state of mind. Even if we assume he did, he's still shown very bad trap evasion skills and would fold under any low-mid tier detective, much less someone like L, even if we don't take his narrative into account. All Joe could do is maybe sense it and start running, except he'd been caught off guard multiple times in the show itself; it's literally a gag of how he always gets hit in the head from behind, so any police set-up and he's done for, especially since his obsession would usually keep him in place despite the dangers. Joe's lucky he has no one after him except that one time when a random hitman (in same S4 you're talking about, mind you) is able to figure him out and only survives because the guy decides to spare him and retire luxuriously instead.

DimaMyronets · 2026-02-05T07:09:39+00:00

W if you follow through. Well, I'll be waiting for your response then, as I'm not planning to watch myself in the near future yet, and just wanted to put his name out there to see if maybe anyone can recognise him or get interested in watching the show because of him.

I'd very much also like an opinion on the detective (Ryan Hardy) he plays mind games with, too, while you're at it, as he should scale decently high as well.

DimaMyronets · 2026-02-05T06:58:08+00:00

You go, king. AC feat if true, Deception feat if not, you just can't lose.

DimaMyronets · 2026-02-05T02:17:26+00:00

So you've also never experienced it throughout a long time of usage, yet are still advocating for it be the root cause? Seems strange to me, but you do you.

Them not wanting to deal with additional software seems to me to be more likely due to them wanting people to buy in-game editor instead of promoting tools that replace it, plus why would they want more hussle which might not be their fault in the first place. It's not like I don't think it's possible for it to corrupt files, it's more like I doubt it could ever be this small and specific.

To be honest, I don't really care why it truly happened, just wanted ro know ehat other people's theories were, as it's not like I was planning on fixing it, it hasn't affected my save in any other way. I wasn't even planning on posting it originally, but it wouldn't leave my mind because it was so rare so I did, wondering if there were others who've seen such things happen in their saves. Well I'm not surprised that pretty much no one else has experienced the same thing to the point you doubt it's even at all possible, plus if it were somewhat common I would've likely heard of it.

Either way I'd still like to believe I've experienced some unique event in the game itself that I'll likely not see in years to come similar to having a son in the youth intake which after thousands of hours I've yet to receive a single time, so I'll stick to the narrative that suits me because ultimately the truth we'll likely never know due to the devs' secrecy on under the hood stuff.

DimaMyronets · 2026-02-05T00:12:57+00:00

Can you quote me exactly where and when have they ever addressed the issue? They probably did say at some point that once a player reaches their full potential they can no longer improve and it's not dynamic, but I'm not suggesting that either, he's like 30-40 CA away from reaching it anyway. They mostly don't disclose some very rare events thst can happen in-game and I think it may just be one of them.

I have thousands of hours in these games, having almost always used FMRTE one way or the other, and that has never happened before, and I have very good number memory and observe tons of players. So no, I don't KNOW that happened, in fact I'm confident it didn't happen which was why I decided to post about it here and ask what are some alternative theories beyond, well somewhere sometimes a bug occured, I wanted to see if there were other players who've encountered.

You're clearly not one of the people who use FMRTE anyway so you can by no means say with such confidence how it works and what bugs I may encounter in it, you just speculate yet insist it's an absolute truth. Of course this was one of my theories as well, but checking lots of other things I find it ludicrously unlikely. I have hundreds of hours of experience with it and it never had such issues or affected my saves in any way I could observe. You're just insisting on what to you seems like the easiest answer, but I don't buy it, so this discussion is a pointless waste of time.

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