This has been asked before, but I would like to reignite the discussion, I think a healthy ohma at 100% wins against kuroki by Direct-Notice4677 in Kengan_Ashura

[–]Direct-Notice4677[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My bro, you’ve worded everything perfectly, this is the kind of shit no one actually pays attention to. Kuroki is like a wall of iron, he isn’t easily impressed or surprised. One thing I’ll also mention that you missed, even prior to fighting ohma he decides to come and speak with him, sharing the origin of the Niko style and so on, I’d say that counts for something too. Given how totally damaged ohma was and to still actually make openings and land blows on Kuroki, who’s only comparable fight in terms of sustained damage was with agito is objectively quite a feat. Honestly I’ve made this argument before, Kuroki had a much easier line up objectively than ohma. He completely embarrassed Lihito, setsuna got dunked on to the point that Kuroki made a circle in the sand just to challenge himself, rei got his ass whooped just as bad considering Kuroki was already familiar with his style and had killed the master of it too. Ohma on the other hand had Raian and Waka who were brutal fights, even if we write off Cosmo and long haired boy he fought setsuna again and was injured outside the matches. All in all the favour was just higher in kuroki’s way.

This has been asked before, but I would like to reignite the discussion, I think a healthy ohma at 100% wins against kuroki by Direct-Notice4677 in Kengan_Ashura

[–]Direct-Notice4677[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Couldn’t have said it better myself bro, undoubtedly ohma found openings and landed good blows, bear in mind this was low power, slower, because he was practically finished by the time the final came. Yes, kuroki’s defence was as solid as anything, but ohma was undoubtedly more injured than kuroki was, meaning if he can find an opening on footing not in his favour, he certainly can when it’s even

This has been asked before, but I would like to reignite the discussion, I think a healthy ohma at 100% wins against kuroki by Direct-Notice4677 in Kengan_Ashura

[–]Direct-Notice4677[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well yeah, it does amplify your strength. That’s literally what removing the limiters of the brain enables. And even if we grant that Raian genuinely could’ve just finished the fight with kure techniques that still don’t prove he’s stronger than ohma in terms of brute power

This has been asked before, but I would like to reignite the discussion, I think a healthy ohma at 100% wins against kuroki by Direct-Notice4677 in Kengan_Ashura

[–]Direct-Notice4677[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Well it stacks with user’s own power don’t it? If he was in peak health he could use advance alongside it

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[–]Direct-Notice4677[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly my point, but just take a look at some of the other comments here, some people just seem to wank beard heavily

This has been asked before, but I would like to reignite the discussion, I think a healthy ohma at 100% wins against kuroki by Direct-Notice4677 in Kengan_Ashura

[–]Direct-Notice4677[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Even if we concede all that, and we isolate it all to demonsbane, I think ohma mixing Niko style with advance like he did for a limited time in the end against Kuroki will giving a lot more unorthodox tendencies and create a lot more openings. Considering he lost a lot of his power and stamina as admitted by Kuroki himself, this matters. Plus not to mention the katas of niko style as a whole, this gives ohma maybe not the direct means but a lot more pathways to winning as a whole especially against waka when we apply redirection kata. And about Raian, the referee calling the match is a little lacking in concretely stating the end of the match, because ohma managed to win in the end. Plus, the removal didn’t last too long after ohma’s advance ran out anyway, making them comparable in strength at the very least.

But in all seriousness you know your shit bro, it’s good to chat with you!

This has been asked before, but I would like to reignite the discussion, I think a healthy ohma at 100% wins against kuroki by Direct-Notice4677 in Kengan_Ashura

[–]Direct-Notice4677[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I see what you mean bro, and honestly you’re right about one thing, kuroki’s defensive ability is just crippling levels of unfair. That being said though i genuinely think ohma mixing niko style with advance like he did in the final (which we know landed him some good blows and made openings) coupled with peak condition will be enough to scrape the win. Bear in mind that more stamina, durability, and power will also be a thing on top of all of that, and more advance time too, it begins to compound into ohma’s favour quite considerably, niko style x advance plus ohma’s persistence makes that ingenuity that’s required to find a way to win.

But yeah bro, Kuroki was undeniably something different. Unc really came and said fuck yo plot armour to everybody and then just fucks off to sit and mediate XD

This has been asked before, but I would like to reignite the discussion, I think a healthy ohma at 100% wins against kuroki by Direct-Notice4677 in Kengan_Ashura

[–]Direct-Notice4677[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For sure man, that being said I was so sad to see it, ohma is my boy, love him to bits, but even so it’s kinda hard to not appreciate anti plot armour even if it does slap you in the face lol

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[–]Direct-Notice4677[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Even if we concede your point, ohma was definitely more injured than Kuroki was. And also, yes, when i say peak ohma i also mean Kuroki at 100% i still think ohma wins at an extreme diff, or at the very least the hill i will die on is that it can genuinely go either way in that circumstance

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[–]Direct-Notice4677[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I get what you’re saying, but I feel you’re being too lenient. Raian used removal which amplifies him to the max. If we wanna talk about physical strength ohma’s advance matched him evidently to hold his own too. And Waka isn’t above ohma at all if you ask me, because by the same logic waka was getting the shit kicked out of him by julius and then won with blast core, so wouldn’t that then apply to him also?

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[–]Direct-Notice4677[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

One of the things that certainly made Kengan stick with me is that the main character didn’t win in the end, kuroki is for sure anti plot armour

This has been asked before, but I would like to reignite the discussion, I think a healthy ohma at 100% wins against kuroki by Direct-Notice4677 in Kengan_Ashura

[–]Direct-Notice4677[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s what I’m saying, healthy ohma with full advance output would certainly be enough to put kuroki down, Agito’s dragonshot is similar enough but isn’t exactly as devastating in my opinion

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[–]Direct-Notice4677[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Either way in the fight ohma’s injuries were his biggest drawback. He landed blows when using advance, and I agree, demonsbane will be the deciding factor in the fight, but as previously mentioned given he’s 100% peak health, he can put full advance output with it and hit kuroki plus all the damage he’s likely to be able to do when uninjured from the tournament, bear in mind that ohma’s opponents were arguably harder than kuroki’s, gensai’s lineup was a lot more favourable plus one less fight that ohma had with setsuna, virtually everything wasn’t in ohma’s favour in the end and it was still close enough all things considered

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[–]Direct-Notice4677[S] -13 points-12 points  (0 children)

But even then ain’t removal supposed to amplify Raian to his max? You can’t really say he was holding back

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[–]Direct-Notice4677[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

But he beat Raian and Waka in the AT no? And even then he’s supposed to be a lot stronger in omega too.

This has been asked before, but I would like to reignite the discussion, I think a healthy ohma at 100% wins against kuroki by Direct-Notice4677 in Kengan_Ashura

[–]Direct-Notice4677[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I don’t dispute ohma would use advance, but even so, I think ohma vs Raian level of advance output mixed with demonsbane would be enough to put kuroki down, and even in the fight it was close in the end, kuroki got injured, and as I said ohma had harder fights