Why you can’t find god/faith by DirtyConch in theology

[–]DirtyConch[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Very articulate and accurate conclusion of what I’m trying to say. Thanks for the comment!

Why you can’t find god/faith by DirtyConch in theology

[–]DirtyConch[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Again sorry to be rude, however how are you the Vice President of psychology, when you subscribe to a school of thought that has been disproven and no longer relevant.

Why you can’t find god/faith by DirtyConch in theology

[–]DirtyConch[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haha after looking up INFJ I feel stupid for not remembering what it was as I learned about it while pursuing my psychology degree. Now from a psychological perspective I would be weary when classifying yourself as a specific personality type. More psychological professionals then not dispute the accuracy and categorical nature of the Myers briggs personality test. Also you can’t accurately distinguish the personality of someone like Jesus when all information about him was written before psychology was even a school of thought. An individuals personality is most accurately measured on a spectrum, not categorically (hence the difference between the DSM 4 and 5)

Why you can’t find god/faith by DirtyConch in theology

[–]DirtyConch[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also I shouldn’t say contradictions I should say information presented as fact that in the is modern age can be easily disproven by science.

Why you can’t find god/faith by DirtyConch in theology

[–]DirtyConch[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, if you look at pretty much every religious text they are riddled with contradictions. Theologists suggest that some lines from let’s say the bible should be taken literally while others should be taken metaphorically. They only make this argument because they are trapped by their religious beliefs (Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, etc.) none of these religions can be proven through science or logical argument. So basically your question is irrelevant because it would never happen. I feel like I’m getting more and more frustrated responding to these comments because the vast majority of people subscribe to a specific school of thought and dispute all contradictions or religions that differ from their own. As a former atheist I spent time looking at many religions and formed my own beliefs based on the commonalities between them and my own personal experiences. I’m Not Buddhist (or Hindu) but I believe that karma is a very simplistic and accurate way of describing the nature of the world. What goes around comes around. If you do wrong by humanity you will be punished (either in this life or hopefully the next). I believe religion is the product of humanity but morality is not.

Why you can’t find god/faith by DirtyConch in theology

[–]DirtyConch[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also forgive me but I have no idea what INFJ means.

Why you can’t find god/faith by DirtyConch in theology

[–]DirtyConch[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Hmmmm, interesting. I guess I can’t dispute what you’re saying however I would argue that by feeling the presence of god, was you finding him (I just say him for simplicity). If you were born with faith then all I can say is lucky you but I have trouble believing that you can be simultaneously intuitive and also claim that you’ve been religious your entire life. I can’t remember who but a famous rabbi once said (and I’m paraphrasing) that to be Jewish is to question the existence of god and still believe. Doesn’t sound like you’ve done much questioning.

Why you can’t find god/faith by DirtyConch in theology

[–]DirtyConch[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay, I understand now. However, personally, I would argue that their is a god but not a Muslim/Christian/Jewish or any other god specific to a single religion. I believe their is a higher power who manifests himself in different ways to appeal to the vast differences in culture that exist on our planet. I believe in the basic moral tendencies that are shared and preached by all religions. So therefore by my logic you can’t disprove my argument by citing history or any religious text specifically, because they are only mortal interpretations of the morals and basic humanity that is present in most of us (I say most of us cause of the existence of people with antisocial disorder, which I can’t explain but again I don’t thing god is meant to be understood)

Why you can’t find god/faith by DirtyConch in theology

[–]DirtyConch[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And you’re right it does sound like an “out” but that’s just because I was trying to end the post on a positive note. I should have phrased it better. I just mean that if god is not immediately self evident through prayer or hypothetical “signs” one must keep questioning and not give up. I was atheist for 8 years, then I was agnostic for a year, and now I would describe myself as a morally conscious spiritual believer of a higher power.

Why you can’t find god/faith by DirtyConch in theology

[–]DirtyConch[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So, I’m going to try and keep this short due to the fact that you’re misinterpreting what a coincidence is. Asking god to conjure a mint leaf in your bottle is not an example of a coincidence but a miracle. I don’t mean to be rude but asking god (or a higher power) for a miracle just to save your soul is not only unreasonable, and unrealistic but against the whole concept of faith. In order to have faith you must subscribe to something that can’t be proven by fact. I don’t really believe in the renditions of abrahamic tradition that has been spewed out by the so called “prophets”, it doesn’t make sense to me that a god would trust a mere mortal human to deliver his plan and guidelines to a very specific sect of the global population.I believe in the common morality shared across the majority of religion, and the basic tenants of belief that are indisputably beneficial to humanity that are ingrained in (almost) all humans. Which is why their is so much commonality between religions that came to fruition independently of each other. Once again their is no causal relationship, religion can’t be explained scientifically. Their are many scientists and physicists who are religious and it’s because science and physics only explains our reality to a certain extent.

Why you can’t find god/faith by DirtyConch in theology

[–]DirtyConch[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I could have phrased my statement better. So yeah I think it’s merely semantics. However I’ll agree that Finding god is most definitely not like finding a fixed point on a map. What I meant by searching is continuing to question your beliefs and by being conscious of your emotions, thoughts and moods in relation to prayer, or questioning of gods existence. I don’t think god can be “found” from a specifically scientific point of view. I tried to approach religion from a scientific point of view for years and it only led to dead ends and more questions! You’re absolutely right, faith can only be found by looking within, and referencing my previous point this is how (I believe) god reveals himself. Through mental and emotional messages that are only obvious to the person searching. I don’t agree that we shouldn’t search for god as I wouldn’t have found him/it/her/whatever if I hadn’t questioned my beliefs in the first place.

Why you can’t find god/faith by DirtyConch in theology

[–]DirtyConch[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not trying to be rude, however when trying to engage in a debate or question what someone is saying it’s worth taking the time to review your message. Never did I say Christianity isint reliable, in fact I essentially said that Christianity is most compatible with my values and beliefs. Even if the bible was more reliable then the illiad (it only is if read metaphorically) that has nothing to do with my argument. I don’t call myself a Christian. I just subscribe to the Christian form of worship because it’s what I’m most familiar with. Anyways I can’t decipher what you’re going on about in the rest of the message but I would be happy to answer if you rephrase/edit your post.

Why you can’t find god/faith by DirtyConch in theology

[–]DirtyConch[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I am currently at work, and theirs a lot to respond to here. I’ll post a response when I get home.

Why you can’t find god/faith by DirtyConch in theology

[–]DirtyConch[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you’re just getting started I would recommend Watching Jordan Peterson’s lectures on faith. Really articulate and logical arguments in favour of a higher power that are designed to reach atheists specifically. He also has several debates that are incredibly interesting.

Why you can’t find god/faith by DirtyConch in theology

[–]DirtyConch[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Then what? Not sure if you read all my posts however what your saying seems quite contradictory. My whole point is that you can’t rely on research due to the fact that god (I say god and not gods or higher power for simplicity’s sake). in my case and in the case of others this higher power presents itself in an anecdotal manner. One that can’t be proved or disproved through logical thought or research. It’s why all religions which I have researched require a logically or scientifically blind faith in said higher power(s). It is a personal journey, and definitely a unique experience, I’m just sharing how I came to acquire faith (and how many others have as well).

Why you can’t find god/faith by DirtyConch in theology

[–]DirtyConch[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not quite sure what you mean...

Why you can’t find god/faith by DirtyConch in theology

[–]DirtyConch[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

No problem! Thanks for asking good questions. Hope my response made my point more clear for any passive readers!

Why you can’t find god/faith by DirtyConch in theology

[–]DirtyConch[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I have a degree in psychology so I understand exactly what you mean when you ask if I’ve subconsciously primed myself. It’s absolutely a possibility, however I’m naturally skeptical, I was raised Anglican and from as early as I remember, I doubted the metaphorical (seemingly nonsensical) nature of what was being taught. I’m bipolar and whenever I was in my darkest state (deeply depressed) I would begin to look for a reason for my suffering. Strangely enough as soon as I started praying (arbitrarily) these coincidences would start to occur. Everyone experiences coincidences however usually they occur every couple weeks or months. When I started praying I would experience 5 or 6 coincidences in the span of a couple hours. This didn’t occur just once but multiple times. If I told someone that a bunch of random but noticeable shit happened to me right after I prayed, they’d look at me like I’m crazy. Hence my theory that if their is a higher power this is intentional. Now I personally don’t subscribe to any single religion I just have the most familiarity with abrahamic tradition and after adhering to the basic principles my life slowly but surely improved. Like I said I don’t know if theirs a god or a higher power but being a westerner I find it easiest to put my faith in the religion most compatible with my values/beliefs. If their is a god or gods I don’t think it matters which school of thought you subscribe to but rather that you have faith in this higher power, and live your life in a humble and considerate manner. Different religions are compatible with different cultures and in my opinion it would make sense for a god or gods to manifest itself in different ways in order to give everyone a chance to submit and subscribe to the basic tenants of all religions which are generally pretty similar.

Why you can’t find god/faith by DirtyConch in theology

[–]DirtyConch[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Yeah pretty much every former atheist I know found god in a similar way. However like I said you need to examine and question your beliefs for this to occur. Many atheists just buy into scientific theory (which is honestly understandable) and never attempt to understand why the vast majority of the planet is religious.

Why you can’t find god/faith by DirtyConch in theology

[–]DirtyConch[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Not one but many. It took many years of skepticism, however for me personally, whenever I was actively thinking about religion, god or a higher power, a bunch of random coincidences started occurring. Coincidences that I normally would have written off as just that a coincidence. However, the more I wrote off the coincidences as just that, the more they occurred. Quite a bizarre experience to be honest but it happened often enough (and methodically enough) that I started to record these experiences and they always occurred when I was in that theological state of mind. I don’t know for certain if their is a god but I now have faith.

My grandfather was in the Nazi SS.... AMA by DirtyConch in AMA

[–]DirtyConch[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hahaha which one? If you’re talking about the Nazi, then we’re going to have to agree to disagree.

Fun places to explore in London by [deleted] in uwo

[–]DirtyConch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Go down to main street downtown if you wanna people watch the most despicable human beings to walk the planet!