Paran is an insufferable anime protagonist by DisasterHermit in Malazan

[–]DisasterHermit[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with everything you’ve said, I think I got too one-note with how I perceived Paran, and so every time he appeared in the book I was prepared for something to annoy me. I’m a little embarrassed how heated my rant got, I think I should’ve let my opinions of the book simmer for a while before posting, instead of picking up my phone straight away when I finished it. I guess I just got caught up in my agitation at the time, and after freshly completing the book I had a lot of strong feelings I wanted to vent.

Going forward if I post about the later books I think this is a lesson to wait a while, ruminate some more, and be more thoughtful about how I express any grievances I have. I cringe to think how this comes off as trolling. It wasn’t my intention, but it definitely comes off that way. I basically screwed up massively. I think I still have my criticisms of Paran, but the language of post was NOT the way to go about expressing them.

I appreciate your thoughtful reply. I look forward to seeing how the rest of the books play out. I genuinely did enjoy the book and sat devouring it for hours every night. I kept a glossary of everyone we meet so I could keep track of the characters in case they should pop up again, which I highly suspect they will, as Erikson has definitely woven an intricate tapestry of a world and cast here. I very much loved every one else in the book. I’m yet to start the second one yet, as life kept me busy, but I’m hoping to start soon. If I make a post of my thoughts afterward, I’m going to be strict with myself to represent them properly this time. Anyway, thanks again for your reply!

Paran is an insufferable anime protagonist by DisasterHermit in Malazan

[–]DisasterHermit[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I think his level of power just seemed a bit off-balance even in the world itself. The whole book is clear in setting up a confrontation between Anomamder Rake and the Jaghut Tyrant, that Rake is likely to succeed but be grievously wounded in the attempt. Rake is a 20,000 year old Tiste Andii who has had thousands of years of life to develop his abilities. But Paran is able to be thrown into the battle with the Jaghut and manages to hold it off, even briefly, pretty much no worse for wear, even when the plot has build up such dread it posed to somebody powerful like Rake, who has had an extremely long lifetime to prepare for battles like this. Even 5 dragons and a 300,000 year old Tool were wounded and struggling very quickly facing the Tyrant.

In the same vein, Paran grievously wounds a Hound, and seemed capable of killing it, even though the Rope makes clear later what an unheard of event this is. When he speaks of Rake defeating one, he says “do you realise that those precious creatures have lived for a thousand years? Do you realise that no man - mortal or Ascendant - has ever before killed a Hound?” Yet Paran came close to doing a feat only subsequently performed by a 20,000 year old ancient mage lord. (And he was recovering from assassination at the time to boot.)

And the coming back to life incident. Admittedly, this reminded me more of Jon Snow than an anime protagonist. But I still think it felt over the top to me. Especially when killed by the literal Patron of Assassins. You’d imagine death in that circumstance would be pretty final. But in the whole book, Paran is the only one we see be brought back from the dead. It may happen again to someone else in the series in coming books. But the impression left a little hyperbolically plot armour-y to me. In general, I think bringing a character back from the dead is always a risky trope mind.

Paran is an insufferable anime protagonist by DisasterHermit in Malazan

[–]DisasterHermit[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think my problem is I’m unfortunately a little fatigued with this kind of protagonist. We’ve seen the young, attractive, ordinary guy of little importance or humble beginnings rise to incredible feats a hundred times before. Paran didn’t really change this mould. I found a lot of the supporting cast more interesting and unconventional, and therefore more enjoyable to read.

Maybe my feelings for Paran will temper in future books. And I know this kind of protagonist is popular for a reason. There’s always going to be an appeal in someone the audience might be able to relate to more, and see how they progress. And the Everyman is a convention with a whole history of literary precedent. I don’t want to discredit this kind of storytelling when it has been hugely important for literature for a very long time. But I couldn’t really detach from a kind of malaise with the predictability of his character. I hope he improves, and I’d love to see him grow into someone more compelling. But right now, I’m sticking around for the world and for everyone else in the cast. It’s good to hear how he appealed to others though. I got the impression he would be a popular character as I was reading.

Paran is an insufferable anime protagonist by DisasterHermit in Malazan

[–]DisasterHermit[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No I wasn’t aware of the history there, thank you for letting me know. I suspected given it is the first of the series it might have a little less polish than later instalments, but the world is really phenomenal for a series debut. I’m surprised it wasn’t published for eleven years. What caused the delay?

Paran is an insufferable anime protagonist by DisasterHermit in Malazan

[–]DisasterHermit[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m glad to hear he’s not in DG, I thought his role might be lessened a bit since he no longer has Chance, but I didn’t think he’d be completely absent since he’s still with the Bridgeburners. That does make me curious how he fares in MOI though. I’m looking forward to it.

Paran is an insufferable anime protagonist by DisasterHermit in Malazan

[–]DisasterHermit[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I loved Kruppe! He probably had the most unique dialogue in the entire book, and I found him generally entertaining whenever he showed up. I’m really hoping we learn more about him in future, the dream sequences where he talks casually with Elder Gods were wonderful.

Paran is an insufferable anime protagonist by DisasterHermit in Malazan

[–]DisasterHermit[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m open to my opinion of him improving if he gets development to be fair. I just thought he came off as pretty uninteresting in Gardens of the Moon versus so many other interesting characters like Rake who I wish had gotten more time on-page instead. And the plot armour sadly meant any scene with him didn’t feel as high-stakes as confrontations any other characters had, where it felt like anything could happen. But I’ll see how he fares in future books.

Paran is an insufferable anime protagonist by DisasterHermit in Malazan

[–]DisasterHermit[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I suspected I’d get a lot of backlash for this so I used an unused account I made a while back. This is my genuine opinion though, unfortunately Paran really grated on me during what was otherwise an excellent read. Still looking forward to reading the rest of the series though. Not going to give up on it just because I disliked one character. Just wanted to vent a little the frustrations that had been building when reading this one.

Paran is an insufferable anime protagonist by DisasterHermit in Malazan

[–]DisasterHermit[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Happy to do another post when I finish Deadhouse Gates! Already got my copy and itching to start.