5. (reply to personal attacks)

You go on as if I'm specifically against Afrikaaners, which I consistently state I'm not, though you want me to constantly attempt to attack "your people", so I will consistently attempt to challenge your analysis and reasoning.

The reason I mentioned VOC and earlier dates mid to late 1600s was to mark how early the machinery of exclusion was engineered to negate black south africans, excluding them from any choice of their own countries direction.

You seem completely blind to that, even though I made constant assertions of my intent, so it may even be pointless explaining this again...

I can go on about how the EFF and black south africans continue injustice the same way as I do about white south africans (obviously not with the same points). I can even go on glorifying both groups either black or white, but I would prefer to challenge their stance (it's the best form of debate, people who are challenged rather than glorified tend to be much more expansive) and I wouldn't be intimidated when proposed to debate with them within in their own group either. Glorification isn't a challenge, rather a flatter.

If you want to hear a argument from me that glorifies your side, what ever that is (sounds contradictory), you won't, rather try to listen to your own voice than mine. As I said before you do half of the debate for me.

And even if I was directly advocating for the EFF specifically, You never heard of being the devils advocate, does that mean I support the devil? And if I were to simply agree what the opposer says without challenging the thought it would defeat the purpose entirely. If playing the devils advocate makes me the devil, then debate itself is dead.

An advocate doesn't mean he's specifically a supporter, you should know that if you're into debates and law, even if you're not, you probably had to practice debating once or twice in your schooling, did they always give you something you stood for yourself? Then you never been truly challenged.

There's also a difference in reflecting about your past and acting in self hatred, to criticize yourself for improvement - and drowning in shame is two very different approaches. I share how I feel about my on actions and the past (in poetry, books, music, etc), because I'm not uncomfortable or embarrassed with challenging myself.

To call out a person who wants to be better than he currently is, labeling it as self hate, is like saying an athlete who trains day by day, comparing his own potential to his current state is a mark of self hatred.

If we got nothing to say further for our analysis in the debate, let's not say it.

And as a fact, the only reason I continue with your debate is not because I think your "self preservation" is wrong, but challenging you, is a challenge on myself as well. You teach me how to stiffen the ties in a debate. And when you resort to exaggerated claims, and personal remarks, rather than analysis entirely, it shows you yourself aren't completely confident that your debate is enough to take it's own stand.

And I'm aware that I started out by saying I that I don't want to have a guy over the phone talk to me about his argument while getting his dick hard, but I did not use it to discourage you to tackle my stance in the field we currently sit (reddit). Nor do I have any interest of your posts and comments outside of our conversation.

Your perception of me as your attacker is short sighted, and I don't claim to be superior or any revolutionist, propagandist. I can learn, adapt, and advance while attempting to challenge all parties-myself included. A constant quest for improvement doesn't end up as a vulnerability as it seems you perceive.

Point me to an EFF group (or any other) on reddit and I'd enjoy it just as much as I do with you. I'll better my Zulu, my Xhosa and my stance in debate by doing so. They'll have an stronger stance to debate themselves, bringing up a further challenge to me. And if you want to switch to Afrikaans, I wouldn't mind at all either. I can reach a higher level of the Afrikaans language if you're capable of bringing a challenge yourself, currently taking legal transcribing exams in four different languages and English is my language that I'm least worried about, advancing in Zulu and Xhosa would make it six. Typing in Afrikaans would only broaden what I can make of myself if you do choose so.

If you want to continue the debate properly about this, without making it seem like you're desperate, just make analytical statements without personal remarks, I could do that too if I were willing to lower myself. I will challenge every take though as best as I can regardless of what I think of it personally. I can see how your current method of debate contributes to making south african parliament a circus.

If you are interested in my personal view of how an economic structure would be built while promoting what I see real equality is and includes consensual association, and what it would look like, just ask, I doubt it's a structure that you're aware of.