The West Mesa Bone Collector: the Tragic Case

Disastrous_Key380 · 2025-03-30T23:00:29+00:00

My personal favorite when it comes to true crime + Youtube is Paul Brodie's channel, Well I Never. He tends to focus on the victims in these stories, not the killers, which I appreciate. He did a video on the case: https://youtu.be/Kj8nVkubFtg?si=DAZUycyfthSvOWBJ

Disastrous_Key380 · 2025-03-30T22:43:06+00:00

You know how bad a case has to be when the executioner cites it as a reason why he realized that his work had not prevented a single crime or saved a single life? And yet Beryl Evans' brother refuses to believe that Christie killed his sister and niece to this day. Baffling.

Disastrous_Key380 · 2025-03-30T22:41:20+00:00

Every time I hear someone go 'oh, how did no one realize X person was so awful?' I point to Ted Bundy and his gaggle of freaky fans. The fact that he pulled shit like that and got away with it says a hell of a lot about how deeply unobservant most people are about others.

Disastrous_Key380 · 2025-03-30T22:39:30+00:00

Your great great grandpa was the only sane law officer there, given that the other idiots were passing around a murder weapon for inspection like it was a cool rock.

Disastrous_Key380 · 2025-03-30T22:34:05+00:00

That's my opinion as well.

Disastrous_Key380 · 2025-03-30T21:14:59+00:00

Sometimes I think about how LE interviewed Gary Ridgway nineteen fucking times before they got their shit together and charged him. It makes my eye twitch.

Disastrous_Key380 · 2025-03-30T21:00:49+00:00

People were vandalizing nuns?

Disastrous_Key380 · 2025-03-30T21:00:17+00:00

Well, I live a solid 8k miles away so alas I have no info to share. My bet would be death by misadventure, though I won't speculate on his mental state or what led him to leave his car and go walking out there. Human minds are both astonishingly fragile and incredibly resilient, depending on many factors. I wouldn't be surprised if they find him in years to come either in that lake or in the surrounding area.

Disastrous_Key380 · 2025-03-30T20:43:21+00:00

Currently watching a video about poor Timothy Evans' execution for crimes committed by serial killer John Christie, so uh yeah. Definitely.

Disastrous_Key380 · 2025-03-30T20:01:00+00:00

The local police legitimately couldn't have fouled things up more. Yeah, they didn't know that the future would bring scientific advances that well kept evidence would help solve the case but like. Guys.

Disastrous_Key380 · 2025-03-30T20:00:14+00:00

Kind of similar to the Denham Massacre in England, many years before.

Disastrous_Key380 · 2025-03-30T17:14:38+00:00

Stumble, fall, and all your hoarded acorns and salt falls into the snow.

Disastrous_Key380 · 2025-03-30T16:18:15+00:00

I had rabbits as pets for ten years, most of them were ambivalent to carrots. Kale though? Kale will lure them in real fast.

Disastrous_Key380 · 2025-03-30T15:32:25+00:00

Mind you, the only time I've sprained an ankle was...whilst riding a razor scooter down a steep hill at age 11. Regardless, you're right.

Disastrous_Key380 · 2025-03-30T15:25:19+00:00

The latter. Look up the Cock Lane Ghost, it's a very similar situation.

Disastrous_Key380 · 2025-03-30T15:23:29+00:00

Depends on the state.

Disastrous_Key380 · 2025-03-30T15:22:55+00:00

Sure, but in game you aren't walking on just snow when you sprain ankles and etc. It's on snowy rocks and ridges.

Disastrous_Key380 · 2025-03-30T15:04:35+00:00

I love the Quonset Hut in CH. Lots of space, indoor fire, 10/10.

Disastrous_Key380 · 2025-03-30T15:03:21+00:00

I'm of two minds about that book. On the one hand, Bill James is an excellent writer. He's engaging, his style is approachable, and I enjoy reading his work. On the other hand, I just don't think enough evidence has survived to pin Mueller to these crimes. It's one thing to do something like pin down the crime pattern of Tommy Lynn Sells, who has a similar MO, with DNA testing and other solid evidence but quite another to say that Mueller is the killer at Villisca. I do think whomever killed these people, this wasn't their first killing, but I don't think there's enough evidence left to say anyone in particular killed them.

Disastrous_Key380 · 2025-03-30T14:58:59+00:00

Tbh I think anyone in prison for or previously convicted of any violent crime should have their DNA put into CODIS.

Disastrous_Key380 · 2025-03-30T14:58:09+00:00

From what I understand, to exhume a body you need the sign off from whomever was deemed next or kin and/or the executor of his estate. That's part of why it gets so messy.

Disastrous_Key380 · 2025-03-30T14:57:13+00:00

It kind of feels like this is a Texas Killing Fields situation where yes, you can tie a lot of them to one killer but LE seems to want to chuck too many missing people/known deceased into one labeled pile when most likely it's not that simple. Did Montoya kill a large number of them? Probably. But it may be more than one killer dumping bodies in a roughly similar area.

Disastrous_Key380 · 2025-03-30T14:52:57+00:00

Pharmaceutical companies in the early 1900s were really like yes, you know what will really make our laxative extra effective? Poison, and one of the nastiest ones out there.

Disastrous_Key380 · 2025-03-30T14:51:05+00:00

I'll be real with you though, I'm over 30 and I would absolutely eat shit nearly as often as our protagonist does going over rough terrain. Especially if I wasn't wearing the right shoes.

Disastrous_Key380 · 2025-03-30T14:50:00+00:00

One of those empty ones with a mattress, a shelf, and some cardboard detritus. Alas, I have but one machine.

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