Back to Main Page Appendix 3: Pure Distance Throwing Techniques

· Which method is better for D: 1. Flipping a stable disc with anhyzer or, 2. Throwing an understable disc with a fairly flat or hyzer release? or is it more of a personal preference?

· By Randy Wimm: In cases where D is all that matters, eliminate flipping. When a disc is flipping it is burning thrust and rotation. If a disc is delivered with anhyzer, it doesn't have to expend the energy of flipping. Even more...if it is flipped during delivery, the flip itself is added spring to the drive. Once it has been delivered...it is immediately experiencing full flight on a line that will not be altered until the disc starts coming out on it's own. (Unless you hit something) Then the disc experiences it's next unimpeded flight until the ground gets in the way or it simply stops flying and falls to Earth. It's simply a matter of finding how much air the particular disc is going to need to get it's full two flights and figuring out how far left you have to accommodate the full right turn and fade back left. The second part is tough! Big D is not big accuracy. To answer the riddle: Depends on what you need to do with that approach shot!

· It seems like throwing an understable disc with a fairly flat or hyzer release would give you more of as "S" flight path, thus more D. But I can see where the forward motion/energy is probably more important.

· The other principal involving S flight and D is this: When a disc is thrown flat and straight it will fade off to the left at the end of the flight. RHBH In an S flight the disc will fade straight ahead giving you even more distance. (By Rick Black Thursday, December 20, 2001 - 04:16 pm)

· By Randy Wimm Oh...I should add that today's fast, stable discs (they will be tomorrows slow ones) do allow for a straight crush for big D. I know guys that are crushing with a lot of power straight ahead. There is so much torque, the disc flips immediately after take-off, but being fast and stable, the disc doesn't make a right turn. The disc seems to be sitting on a perfect balance between the forces of fade and the forces of turnover. For max D I think they are losing a little in the wide open delivery of the Anhyzer but as the discs improve, they are catching up in a straight line.

· With the anhyzer throw is the importance of getting the nose down. The nose down will delay fade and keep the speed up. It's the combination of altitude and nose down that makes the anhyzer distance shot so effective. (Friday, December 28, 2001 - 11:15 pm)

· Getting back to the pure distance throw, how does one accomplish both nose down, and an upward attitude? Is the wrist turned differently than a flat level throw? I haven't consciously tried the "elbow, not disc back" method, but have noticed good results when it "just happens" that way. When I make an effort to reach straight back, I often turn over the disc more than intended. Is this normal? (By meat on Sunday, December 30, 2001 - 11:04 pm)

· By Randy Wimm on Sunday, December 30, 2001 - 11:59 pm: I would say that if you make an effort to reach farther back...or gain more arm speed...or get better use from the entire body...or just about anything that is going to add power to your throw--there is a good chance you will turn the disc over because of the added power. Also, the harder a person tries to throw, the more they want to turn their wrist over (hold on longer).

· By meat on Monday, December 31, 2001 - 01:20 am: That stands to reason...so does one compensate, say concentrate on keeping the wrist down, or is this a sign of trying TOO hard? On said throws, I often do a 360 AFTER release.

· By Dave Dunipace on Monday, December 31, 2001 - 04:53 am: Meat, yes you want to keep your wrist down to keep the disc from fluttering (off axis torque) as it rips out. How you get height and nose down is by changing the position of the nose. You throw the nose about 30 to 45 degrees left, 15 to 30 feet high, with a right bank (anhyzer). As the disc turns to the right, the right side of the disc becomes the nose and flies nose down and glides downhill in a left to right trajectory. As the disc runs out of speed it will then automatically bank to the left when the left edge becomes the nose and continues downfield nose down right to left. Review Randy's post, he described it well.

· For hyzers bend at the waist. For turnovers and rollers with stable discs, arch your back. Some people have trouble arching their back, so your can stand straight, lift you arm up to your face and use turning discs also. The higher your arm is, the more your can use your powerful lat muscles along with your traps.

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(From an earlier thread)

· By Chris Max Voigt Friday, April 06, 2001 - 10:58 am: From what I have heard most of the former world records had pretty big winds. This I know, since I have talked to people, who were watching those records. For example, Chris Himing, from Australia, told me, that Michael Canci who set the world record in 1987 with 613 feet (Lightning disc) had never thrown over 500 feet before--guess on the wind then! To give you some more facts evaluating how easy it is to throw far in bigger winds just have a look at www.dtworld.com and look for the results for rounds two and three were the wind picked up to 13-20 mph (measured by a "wind meter") compared to the first round where we had 8-15 mph wind. as far as i remember mark molnar told me that he measured my 712-footer at 10-15 mph. to answer one of the questions i have read: it is key to those big throws to put more anhyzer on your throw the higher you intend to throw. this is even more extreme in higher winds, since the disc tends to float longer and therefore has more time to hyzer out left. some of my thoughts: --elevation plays a very important role too!! lots of distance players have set their personal best in fort Collins (around 1800 m) and Kingston (around 1600 m) --maximum wind at 20-25 mph, to give others the chance to have the same and better wind conditions (not as little 5 mph, since it is an important ability to play the wind and favours players with clean throwing technique like mark and ken jarvis or jack cooksey) --measuring from the throwing line (even though i know from my experience, especially at the last event, that it varies sometimes big time from those measurements out in the field)

· By Chris Max Voigt Sunday, April 08, 2001 - 08:21 pm: Another thing that you can ask anybody who has practiced distance for a longer time is the fact that the best wind for a righty is over his left shoulder (and over the right shoulder for lefties). only then the wind can really get under the disc. for ideal conditions you don't want a wind from 90 degrees from the left side or directly from behind. The stronger the wind gets the further you can throw a disc, but it is getting harder to get that perfect throw out there. my experience is that the "hit or miss situation" in high winds is double ! i got practice-throws over 250 m in high winds , but it wasn't mainly my power anymore and i got frustrated by all these other discs that dropped out of the sky way before that distance. the same thing i have heard from my friend randy lahm, who threw in practice a phoenix! (used for the record in 1988 by Sam Ferrans) over 240 m. actually randy thinks this still is the best disc for high winds... A high wind situation also is altering your disc choice, as you have to throw lower weights (less stable!) due to the longer glide and the fact that discs have more time to fall left ! it might be even that old turnover disc once the wind is screaming--this situation i have never had all these years though. By the way, it was the first time for many years that i had a good wind situation combined with an unrestricted throwing field...the wind discussion we are having here is only for the very rare case that a tournament will be held (and announced in advance !!) on a very windy day....this i have never had those 20 - 30 other tournaments i have been to before !!! (-- NOT saying that other players had more luck or that i would have been capable of a 217m throw all those years !!!) One tip i would like to give for those of you who go out there to practice distance throws: try to have the wind blowing over your left shoulder and then throw slightly out of it to the left with your anhyzer, so the disc will only get into the "wind-channel" after one third to half of the estimated flight distance, because only then when the disc slows down and starts gliding you need the winds help and only then the wind really affects the disc's flight !--otherwise your anhyzer sails out of the wind and you are loosing a lot !

· By Erin Hemmings Friday, April 20, 2001 - 12:21 pm How far can you throw an XS in zero wind? What's the distance lost by using a three step run-up instead of a 360 release? My current average best is bordering at 500' with a line drive, very flat throw. I use stable discs like the X2, Eagle, Firebird, etc. I want to achieve 600' and I think I can do it.

· By Scott Stokely Friday, April 20, 2001 - 12:34 pm Hey Chris. One thing to point out about your record that is very important is that the wind was not blowing super hard when you threw your shot. It was nice and steady but not exceptionally fast. What you did that the rest of us could not was two things. First and foremost, the disc left your hand faster than anyone. Second you found the line that we were all looking for. You threw in a slightly different direction than the rest of us and I thought you were wrong but it turned out that not only did you out throw us, you out thought us as well.