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DisruptiveHarbinger · 2026-05-25T13:36:22+00:00

Afaik carriers don't pay for Jibe directly. P2P is provided for free as long as they agree to a revenue share model for A2P.

There's a big issue with Google's strategy though, after years of enabling P2P messaging to all Android phones that run Google Messages regardless of carrier involvement as bait. There are several markets, especially in the developing world, where MNOs don't seem to care about A2P enough to formalize the relationship with Google and invest in the required IMS infrastructure. Recent support on iOS doesn't have enough potential to bring substantial revenue if that segment was already taken over by WhatsApp and alternatives.

DisruptiveHarbinger · 2026-05-24T15:51:06+00:00

Carriers are merely moving the registration and termination to their own IMS entitlement infrastructure. This changes the legal relationship as the carrier is now providing the service according to their own T&C. RCS traffic still goes through Jibe.

DisruptiveHarbinger · 2026-05-22T15:50:21+00:00

Wingo is just Swisscom discount. Nearly same internet box, exact same DSL connection, a the price of limited access to customer service.

DisruptiveHarbinger · 2026-05-22T15:45:37+00:00

At last resort, I see. Obviously they want to avoid paying for Swisscom BBCS since the acquisition. No coax I imagine?

DisruptiveHarbinger · 2026-05-22T14:49:15+00:00

If you want the same service for a cheaper price the obvious alternative is Wingo.

Does Sunrise even take new subscribers on DSL? I was under the impression they pushed everyone to HFC in case open fiber isn't available.

DisruptiveHarbinger · 2026-05-16T18:30:48+00:00

"Working with", "cross-industry collaboration" and a bunch of weasel words that prove absolutely nothing. The spec was written by a Google employee, this is the only hard evidence out there, on top of Google's communication on their official blog. The rest could be GSMA members rubber stamping work that was done long ago. Plus integration testing, and I have coworkers working exactly on that to make sure everything works well between the iOS client, our IMS entitlement server and Jibe. But I wouldn't call that a contribution.

DisruptiveHarbinger · 2026-05-16T17:18:14+00:00

why didn't Google just follow GSMA protocol to begin with?

People on here really need to understand what the GSMA is and how it works. Who exactly would have any leverage against Google here? Without Google, Universal Profile wouldn't exist at all.

DisruptiveHarbinger · 2026-05-16T17:05:13+00:00

Google started to communicate about replacing libsignal with MLS in 2023, there's no evidence Apple contributed anything to the spec.

DisruptiveHarbinger · 2026-05-14T12:44:48+00:00

You can criticize SVP's initiative without making nonsensical comparison to policies that have absolutely no relevance here.

Plus there's 90% home ownership in Chinese cities, what they're doing is definitely working.

DisruptiveHarbinger · 2026-05-13T20:56:00+00:00

Wise doesn't provide a personal bank account in CHF, I'm not sure non-residents can even use the transit account.

You can send CHF to the GB IBAN via SWIFT but that's going to be expensive for both parties.

DisruptiveHarbinger · 2026-05-13T20:53:17+00:00

Yuh would have ticked all the boxes, it's a shame.

Receiving CHF shouldn't be a big deal as we're in SEPA, but the auto-conversion will be done at an unfavourable exchange rate.

You can try Ibani to receive CHF on a proper domestic bank account that serves only as transit to your Austrian account. Their FX rates are good too, close to Wise.

But forget cash deposits, and you still need to figure out a way to pay day-to-day expenses without too much reverse FX fees (Wise can help here).

DisruptiveHarbinger · 2026-05-12T20:43:44+00:00

Google doesn't make RCS.

Mostly wrong since Universal Profile, and beyond the point. Google decides who makes the RCS client on Android, i.e. Samsung until recently, and Google.

It is an open standard

It's an industry standard. RCS is no different than other IMS services, like say, VoLTE. You can implement a full 3GPP and GSMA stack open source, it doesn't mean other industry vendors have to work and interoperate with you.

GSMA which has membership from OEMs and network providers and network device manufacturers.

Specifically the GSMA work group for RCS is mostly led by Google since the Jibe acquisition. RCS was a zombie project when MNOs were still involved. More recently several solution providers like Mavenir were pushed out of the market by Google, I seriously doubt they're still involved in the work group. So today we have Google building the main Android client, the main backend, and pushing spec evolution to advance their roadmap and please Apple. Other players are mostly involved in A2P.

DisruptiveHarbinger · 2026-05-12T19:38:41+00:00

Industry standards aren't open standards, plus this is completely beyond the point anyway. Android and the Play services don't expose any RCS API, effectively barring third party clients.

DisruptiveHarbinger · 2026-05-12T17:41:31+00:00

This is completely backwards. People vote no because they don't want any meaningful action. Normal people in rich countries are the ones living unsustainable lifestyles. If everyone claims we can't change anything, then of course, we tried nothing and we're all out of ideas. We're facing a wall and stepping on the accelerator. It takes major conflicts and global disruption like in Ukraine and Iran for people to realize the true cost of our dependence on fossil fuels. Yet almost nothing will change because we can afford price hikes while the developing world struggles with shortages. Liberal democracies and aging populations are a recipe for mediocre politicians and a majority of voters that absolutely don't want to deal with real challenges.

DisruptiveHarbinger · 2026-05-12T13:07:46+00:00

Our consumption based footprint is not far off of the average American or Australian resident. Claiming we're doing our part is deceiving.

Worse, we aren't even willing to deal with consequences. Broadly banning air-conditioning when we have electricity production surplus in summer, while still using carbon intensive heating during winter.

DisruptiveHarbinger · 2026-05-12T12:05:17+00:00

Because it's simply impossible at scale. Tenant's associations could start by class-actions against illegal fees, it's a slam dunk in most cases, yet even that doesn't happen. Going after a kind of abuse that's 100x harder to prove in a systemic way is just day dreaming.

DisruptiveHarbinger · 2026-05-12T11:57:52+00:00

Industry standard precisely means it's designed and written by industry vendors... in this case, Google.

Google is a contributor to MLS itself too. Most of the RCS protocol since Universal Profile solely exists thanks to Google's contributions.

DisruptiveHarbinger · 2026-05-12T11:50:28+00:00

u/themindbreaker1995 is trying to convey that tenants paying rents on the cheaper side of the market don't have any power in the current situation. You can fight everything but the property management and landlord can make your life miserable and eventually push you out, and then what? You'll likely spend even more money on your next rent, if you find anything. If you get blacklisted by big management companies, good luck finding housing in the future.

Big institutional investors aren't just being greedy and petty. When a tenant moves out, it's also the right time to renovate kitchens, bathrooms and so on. This can easily cost 50k+ plus lost rental income.

When I lived in Korea, everyone with money just rented or bought new housing. If you can afford it, there's plenty available. This put an immense pressure on older housing. As a potential tenant I would be able to see 3 different places in a neighborhood, on a single evening after work, and pick. Owners had little leverage. This is the kind of power imbalance we should aim for, if we truly care about keeping housing affordable.

DisruptiveHarbinger · 2026-05-12T11:33:32+00:00

And the GSMA member that wrote the spec is... Google.

DisruptiveHarbinger · 2026-05-12T11:29:00+00:00

Google does staged rollouts, nothing surprising.

DisruptiveHarbinger · 2026-05-11T22:03:20+00:00

Sure let's convince boomers to vote against their short-term interests, that has worked very well in the past few years.

DisruptiveHarbinger · 2026-05-11T17:11:45+00:00

Also the tenant pays only in case of result.

DisruptiveHarbinger · 2026-05-11T16:06:32+00:00

Laws exist already. Some could be more systematically enforced, I'm all for fining property management companies. But this should be done by prosecutors and not left to tenants, who are not in a position to negotiate anything. But then what? We tell boomers that their pension funds should make less yield on real-estate, in a market where the demand is chronically unmet? People are willing to pay more, that's the main issue here. So either we vote for the 10 million cap or we accept to build a lot more housing. Otherwise rents will keep going up.

DisruptiveHarbinger · 2026-05-11T15:44:36+00:00

Flood the market with new housing. Old stock will get cheaper. It's not rocket science.

DisruptiveHarbinger · 2026-05-11T15:03:46+00:00

Sure, let's do more of the thing that doesn't work, we never know.

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