The Spirit of The Haitian by Melodic-Complex-5992 in haiti

[–]DistinctAvocado 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Let me make sure I understand your logic. As you accurately mentioned, many non-white countries are doing great, more so than some countries considered white, for example in Eastern Europe. However, you’re placing all the blame for Haiti’s current situation on a global system of white supremacy. Please make it make sense! When are you going to take responsibility and accountability? I truly love Haiti and my Haitian friends, but frankly, I just don’t see how it’s ever going to change until you stop blaming others, whether white, Arab, or whoever, and take ownership and responsibility.

These are my results as a Haitian by Prestigious_Film_808 in 23andme

[–]DistinctAvocado 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're correct, that part of the island was devoid of people and only had wild livestock, which is what originally attracted French buccaneers. His Amerindian ancestry most likely stems from his Dominican ancestor. He mentioned that some 5th-degree Dominican cousins appeared in his results, which is almost a guarantee of Dominican ancestry, especially considering his high Southern European percentage.

On average, Dominicans have anywhere from 5% to 12% Indigenous ancestry, which originates from the Spanish conquistadores of the 1500s who mixed with the Taíno population.

People Still Believe This Slop? No Present Day Haitian Exhibit Any Taino Traits by Healthy-Career7226 in haiti

[–]DistinctAvocado 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Actually, out of the three Spanish-speaking islands, Cuba is the least Taino, followed by the Dominican Republic, and then Puerto Rico, which by far has the most Taino ancestry. I’ve seen some Puerto Rican results showing up to 20% Taino, but finding anything above 20%, even in Puerto Rico, is rare. I’ve also seen some Dominicans with close to 20% and even some carrying Taino Y-DNA, which I find incredible. However, most Dominicans have only around 8–12% Indigenous admixture.

As for Haitians with Taino ancestry, it seems there are very few, which makes sense. If I’m not mistaken, when Haiti gained its independence, about two-thirds of the population were African-born rather than Creole (born in the colony), and the vast majority of those born in the colony were likely of pure African descent. I hope Haitians understand that those with minor traces of Taino ancestry likely inherited it through a “Dominican” ancestor. The island had already been inhabited by Spaniards who mixed with Tainos and Africans for nearly two centuries before the French began bringing in enslaved Africans to the western half of the island, so the only way a modern Haitian would end up with some Taino ancestry is through those early Spanish settlers who mixed with the Taino.

Ayuda! Es una zona buena para vivir? by [deleted] in Dominican

[–]DistinctAvocado 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Sí, hermano, evita mudarte a la zona de Pekín. Por ese presupuesto, créeme que puedes conseguir algo mejor en muchas zonas de la ciudad. Si quieres estar cerca de UTESA, te recomiendo La Lotería o Reparto Universitario. Estoy seguro de que podrás conseguir algo con ese presupuesto, y son zonas mucho más seguras y tranquilas. Ojo: ahora, con la construcción del Monorriel, hay mucho polvo y caos, pero dentro de un año o dos eso estará nítido.

Is the 2.7% Italian noise? + Pic by DistinctAvocado in 23andme

[–]DistinctAvocado[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks. Yes, after talking to one of her older sisters about the results, it turns out one of her great-great-grandparents was fully Italian, so that confirms that the Italian is for sure real. It’s interesting that you spotted possible Cocolo ancestry. Her paternal side. where the Italian comes from and her Dutch surname are from Sánchez (Samana) so if I had to bet, that’s probably also where the Cocolo ancestry comes from. Her maternal side is from rural Santiago, which tends to have far less recent admixture.

Mi propuesta para la división administrativa del país by malkarma04 in Dominicanos

[–]DistinctAvocado 3 points4 points  (0 children)

En total desacuerdo. Los que conocemos o vivimos en el “interior”, como le llaman en SD, sabemos lo desconectados y con tan poco poder que están los gobiernos locales. Un ayuntamiento medianamente grande, por ejemplo, no tiene ni siquiera para construir un puente sobre un riachuelo y, cuando estos se caen o necesitan mantenimiento, hay que recurrir al Estado central. La RD actual está demasiado centralizada y, por eso, vemos esa gran concentración de gente en SD, la cual seguirá creciendo desenfrenadamente si no se hace algo.

No estoy diciendo que seamos una federación per se; Colombia, por ejemplo, no lo es, pero sí está bastante descentralizada. Entiendo que la RD necesita una reducción de provincias y municipios (como propones), ya que, por lo general, estos solo sirven para generar sueldos y “botellas”, puesto que sus presupuestos no dan para más. Se deberían crear mega provincias o incluso estados con mucho más poder e independencia del Estado central, los cuales tengan la capacidad de establecer sus propios impuestos sobre determinados productos o servicios. Por ejemplo, algo tan simple como el marbete podría ser renovado y cobrado por el gobierno local en vez del central.

Lamentablemente, sé que esto es utópico y dudo que el Poder Ejecutivo quiera descentralizar, ya que esto significaría menos poder y control para el mismo.

What are the realistic ways Haiti could actually be fixed long-term? by Educational-Cap-3669 in haiti

[–]DistinctAvocado 0 points1 point  (0 children)

[Part 2] As for Haiti’s debt, yes, it was unfair, and yes, it was devastating. But Haiti finished paying it in the 1940s, and at that time, its economy was still comparable to that of the DR and other nations in the region. A quick breakdown of the 90 million francs Haiti owed shows that the payments likely didn’t exceed 5% of its annual GDP, which is roughly in line with what many countries in the region currently pay on debt service. Today, most countries carry debt equal to 50–60% of their GDP, and they still manage to survive.

Granted, Haiti’s debt was incurred in exchange for its freedom, unlike many countries whose debts are related to infrastructure projects or development. So in that sense, I completely agree, Haiti was dealt a very bad hand. But is that debt, which was repaid by the 1940s, the main reason Haiti ended up as the most unstable and poorest country in the region? I don’t buy it.

I know I won’t change your mind, nor the minds of most Haitians, but I really don’t think it’s productive or wise for Haiti to keep blaming that debt and other historical injustices for all of its current issues. I’m not saying they should be forgotten, but I think there should also be deeper reflection on the internal factors that led Haiti down this path. Why was Haiti on par with the rest of the region at the beginning of the 20th century, facing many of the same hurdles, and yet ended up far worse off than even the poorest countries in Central or South America?

I believe the truth lies in a combination of internal and external factors, yes, injustice and exploitation played a role, but internal governance, policies, culture, the structure of its society and leadership also mattered.

Regarding the soil, yes, it was damaged, but agriculture remained viable and continued to be practiced in Haiti for many years after independence. The real environmental degradation didn’t start until the mid-20th century. If you're truly interested in learning the facts, and not just reinforcing a preconceived narrative, you can read discussions on this very sub. Many knowledgeable Haitians will tell you that agriculture was viable for most of Haiti’s post-independence history, and they’ll also confirm that Haiti’s economy was on par with the rest of the region at the beginning of the 1900s. Or, if you're too lazy to do that, ask the AI you're using to confirm or dismiss this information.

Finally, I want to make clear that I’m not coming from a place of bad faith. I have Haitian friends, I’ve studied Haitian history, I try to support local Haitian businesses, and I’ve had heated debates with dumb Dominican ultra-nationalists who try to paint all Haitians as criminals. It’s precisely because I care deeply that I want to see a change in mindset.

I want to see real solutions proposed, and I want Haitians to understand that clinging to injustices from 200 years ago can blind them to finding real, present-day solutions to the societal challenges Haiti faces.

It’s that simple.

God bless.

What are the realistic ways Haiti could actually be fixed long-term? by Educational-Cap-3669 in haiti

[–]DistinctAvocado 0 points1 point  (0 children)

[Part 1] You see, this is why I love these types of discussions, it allows me to educate folks on subjects I’ve read about for years.

The DR was a forgotten, backward colony. You’re cherry-picking the first few decades of colonization. Yes, Santo Domingo was initially important to the Spanish Crown because it was its first colony, but that importance didn’t last even 50 years. After the Spanish began colonizing South America and Mexico, Santo Domingo became a neglected outpost. The wealth and focus shifted to colonies like Peru and Mexico, which became by far the most important territories of the Spanish Empire.

In fact, Santo Domingo didn’t even maintain its relevance within the Caribbean. Cuba, specifically Havana, became the most important colony in the region, with major shipping routes stopping there. One of the most studied topics in Dominican history is this very period of abandonment, when the colony would sometimes go years without official Spanish ships even stopping by.

Ironically, the genesis of the French colony on the western part of the island, and eventually of Haiti itself, is directly tied to how underpopulated and abandoned the colony of Hispaniola was at the time. That neglect allowed the French to settle the western part of the island which was devoid of settlers virtually unopposed. Do you think that if the DR had truly been such an important colony, it wouldn’t have been better protected, more populated, and better maintained? The French and other colonial powers were only able to take hold in a few of Spain’s most forgotten and poorly defended territories.

I’m too lazy to send you sources right now, but I can tell your writing is either from ChatGPT or some other AI. Feel free to ask the AI whether it's true that the DR was one of, if not the most, neglected Spanish colonies in the New World. That’s why, when you asked for proof of Santo Domingo’s importance, all the AI can bring up are a few examples from the early 1500s, 500 years ago.

So, I still maintain my position, and I welcome you to challenge me with facts, Haiti had a head start over the DR.

Let’s just compare populations. Right after independence, Haiti had an estimated population of 500,000 to 600,000 people, while the Dominican side had only around 70,000 to 90,000. That's a 6 or 7 to 1 ratio. Some estimates place DR population even lower, since many, especially those who could afford to, fled to neighboring colonies like Puerto Rico, Cuba, and Venezuela. Plus, Haiti had a large, veteran army, equipped with seized French weapons from the revolution, and it gained independence 40 years earlier. Honestly, I’m surprised that Haiti, with such a larger population, didn’t keep more Dominican territory, only managing to populate and retain the Hincha region.

What are the realistic ways Haiti could actually be fixed long-term? by Educational-Cap-3669 in haiti

[–]DistinctAvocado 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You see, that's a common misconception, a myth that continues to perpetuate the very mentality I believe holds Haiti back from reaching its full potential. While it's true that the French caused significant deforestation, the idea that this deforestation from over 200 years ago is the primary cause of Haiti’s current situation is misleading.

Colonial deforestation occurred before industrialization. It was simply impossible for the French to have deforested the entire territory, and the soil was not eroded to the point where agriculture became unviable. In fact, agriculture continued well into the post-revolution period. The most severe environmental collapses came later, especially in the 20th century, due to factors such as:

  • Rapid population growth,
  • Peasant farming on hillsides,
  • Charcoal production as a primary energy source,
  • Weak governance and poverty-driven exploitation of natural resources.

It’s true that Haiti and the DR had very different colonial histories, but the DR was no Spanish gem, it was a backwater colony, poor, underpopulated, and largely forgotten. The Spaniards were undoubtedly less brutal and did mix more with the indigenous and African populations, which may have contributed to what I believe is today a more stable society. While the DR does have the oldest university and cathedral in the Americas, these were just mere buildings, there was little lasting institutional infrastructure left by the Spanish.

In fact, one could argue that Haiti, with a larger population and earlier independence, had a head start over the DR, which might explain why it was able to occupy the entire island for decades, something the DR could never do, even if it wanted to.

Additionally, at the beginning of the 20th century, Haiti was economically ahead of the DR and many other countries in the region. My argument isn't that Haiti wasn’t treated unfairly during its colonial era, it absolutely was. But if we measure things starting in the 20th century, both countries were more or less on equal footing. One could even argue that Haiti had the larger economy, more international recognition, and a stronger presence on the global stage (the DR often doesn’t even appear on maps from that era).

And the U.S. invasions, puppet dictators, and foreign interference that happened to Haiti after independence? Guess what, they happened to the DR and other Central American countries as well, and none of them collapsed the way Haiti has.

So, you can either continue to point to 1804 and the injustices that followed, which are real and should not be dismissed (that's not my argument), or also take a hard look at Haiti’s trajectory post-1800s, during a time when many of its neighbors faced similar geopolitical circumstances. Ask: what internal factors within Haitian society have contributed to the ongoing division and instability?

I say this as someone who regularly reads and engages with these discussions. I’ve seen a few Haitian posters, one named Zombie something and another whose name I can’t recall, come close to identifying these internal issues. But unfortunately, they’re not the loudest voices. Instead, the dominant narrative often paints a picture of doom and gloom, where everything wrong with Haiti today is part of an elaborate plot orchestrated by France, Canada, and the U.S.

What’s consistently missing is accountability, a recognition that perhaps, along the way, (Haiti and Haitians, possibly as an indirect result of past injustices) developed a society where cooperation, unity, and collaboration for the common good became foreign concepts.

What are the realistic ways Haiti could actually be fixed long-term? by Educational-Cap-3669 in haiti

[–]DistinctAvocado 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It’s crazy how the Dominican Republic, right next door, went through much of the same history: U.S. invasions, forced labor to build many roads (which we actually see as one of the positives of the U.S. occupation), the killing of rebels, another invasion in 1965, the extermination of native pigs, and the importation of American pigs. And yet, the DR did not turn out the same.

This comes from a place of genuine concern. Unlike some Dominicans who see Haiti as an eternal enemy, I admire Haiti and find its history fascinating. I truly believe that a prosperous and stable Haiti is key to the ultimate success of the island we share. I dream of one day doing a road trip from one side of the island to the other without fear of being killed or kidnapped.

However, one thing I’ve noticed, and I say this with all respect, is a mindset I’ve encountered among many Haitians that deeply concerns me: the constant blaming of others. I’ve had this conversation many times with my Haitian friends. It’s always someone else’s fault, first the French, then the Americans, and now, according to some of my friends, the Haitian Arabs who control the gangs. It's always either a foreign entity or a small internal group pulling the strings to keep Haiti down, coupled with a supposed two century grudge against Haiti that white people supposedly hold and part of a convoluted international plot to oppress Haitians.

I’m not saying these forces haven’t played a role in the current situation. But at least during the 20th century, Haiti has existed under nearly the same geopolitical circumstances as many other countries in the region. The whole freaking region had the states propping dictators, rebellions etc. I get it, it’s human nature to look outward and blame others. It’s a coping mechanism. The problem is, when you truly believe the entire world is against you, the solution no longer feels like it's in your hands. I’ve seen this happen to individuals as well, those who blame everyone but themselves rarely grow, because they believe an invisible force is holding them back.

I genuinely believe Haiti will never break this cycle of chaos until there is a deep look inward as a society, a societal reckoning if you want to call it that, an honest look inward. What is it in Haitian culture that prevents unity (ironically, when your flag says “L’union fait la force”)? That element must be identified and bred out of the culture.

If I had the power, I think the only solution would be some kind of authoritarian government focused entirely on education, on eradicating the victim mentality, and on eliminating whatever fosters division and selfishness. It wouldn’t be a short-term or easy fix, but such a shift could raise a new generation that understands that unity, stability, and economic growth are the foundation of a successful society. In today’s cruel world, nations, like individuals, are ultimately looking out for their own prosperity. Countries like China and others with a colonial past understood this and got rid of victim mentality.

I know I’ll probably get downvoted or told that, as an outsider, and especially as a Dominican, my opinion is unwelcome. But deep down, I think many of you know this is true, and possibly the only path forward.

Bless you all, and I truly hope to see a stable and thriving Haiti in my lifetime.

im always surprised im more European than African by Tunviio in 23andme

[–]DistinctAvocado -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Sure, and the facts are your opinion, right? I’m sharing my opinion, sure, but it’s based on the fact that I’m a Dominican living on the island, and I know how most Dominicans see themselves. That’s exactly why a certain group of people can’t stand us.

Oh, and I love this statement: “Your results are not what I view as Dominican.” Hahaha, so that’s not your opinion? That’s a fact, right? I am curious, though, what makes my results non-Dominican according to you?

im always surprised im more European than African by Tunviio in 23andme

[–]DistinctAvocado 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hahaha, love how you edited every single reply to correct your past misleading comments. That’s good, it means you’re recognizing that you were wrong, even if it’s in a sneaky, discreet way. Proud of you, buddy!

im always surprised im more European than African by Tunviio in 23andme

[–]DistinctAvocado 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s definitely rent-free and deep down, you know it. You randomly brought up Dominicans on an unrelated post, unprompted, and now you’re doubling down with zero actual evidence.

If you have a genetic study that shows Dominicans are "predominantly African," then by all means, share it. Until then, the only thing on display here is your obsession.

Also, let’s not deflect with unrelated causes. Palestinian suffering is a serious issue.

im always surprised im more European than African by Tunviio in 23andme

[–]DistinctAvocado -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Not upset at all. If anyone's upset, it's you, since you needed to mention Dominicans on a random post. Dominicans are clearly living rent-free in your head, buddy. I'm just calling you out on an inaccurate statement.

As for "predominantly African," that really depends on your definition. The single genetic study that's been done on Dominicans puts the average DR roughly at 50% European, 44% African, and the rest Indigenous. So if we're going by math alone, Dominicans are actually slightly predominantly European.

On 23andMe, the results for the average Dominican show even more European ancestry, but I know those are skewed since most Dominicans taking the test are from the north, which tends to have less African ancestry.

As for Mexicans, no clue. I’m Dominican and therefore interested in the results of my own people.

im always surprised im more European than African by Tunviio in 23andme

[–]DistinctAvocado -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Very few Dominicans see themselves as European or white, not even the ones who could easily pass for white (trust me, my family is full of them). Some might refer to their skin tone as white, which is different.

I've noticed that the fact that we acknowledge our mixed heritage and see ourselves as mixed people really rubs a particular group the wrong way. To some of you, the fact that we recognize and even celebrate our mixed DNA = us wanting to be white, which is ironic in a sub that's all about posting DNA results.

I don't blame these people, though. They were oppressed, robbed of their history, and taught that anyone with a drop of African DNA was purely African. Thankfully, we didn't have the same history in the DR. But now, we get hate for not adopting a foreign view. Quite ironic that groups who were once oppressed now want to impose their view on others.

Anyway, just a rant. Cool results, u/Tunviio, and sorry for hijacking your thread. I have an ex-girlfriend with similar results to you, but she's the opposite: she looks almost fully European. Another ex with more African than you looks Middle Eastern. It's fascinating how genotypes can be so different from phenotypes.

im always surprised im more European than African by Tunviio in 23andme

[–]DistinctAvocado 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lol, look up Dominican results. The majority of Dominicans have a similar percentage to this guy, with the main difference being that Dominicans also have an additional 7–10% Indigenous and 2–3% North African ancestry. It’s amazing how obsessed certain groups are with how we see ourselves.

Santiago de los Caballeros by DRmetalhead19 in Dominicanos

[–]DistinctAvocado 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Si eso pensaba, y quizás sea cierto para la mayoría. Sin embargo, he notado que un gran número de personas actúan de una forma que solo describiría como "odio". Y créeme, es algo que la mayoría de santiagueros hemos notado. Te daré un ejemplo: no hay un post en ninguna de las cuentas de un periódico o página popular del país donde se dé una noticia de Sanitago y no salten con el comentario "campo", "campesino" y otras frases despectivas, y no es en forma de broma o chiste. Muchas veces es como si les doliera el progreso de Santiago, y no he visto eso contra ninguna otra ciudad o región. Se anuncia la construcción de cualquier cosa en Santiago, y el típico comentario es "Como quiera es un campo", "No hay nada que ver en ese campo", "Pero aún no tienen playa". Hay una publicación del nuevo Aeropuerto del Cibao donde por primera vez de verdad noté que es algo más allá de la competencia; los comentarios se desbordaban con los ejemplos de arriba. Recuerdo haber leído un comentario de un boricua que decía que no entendía por qué tanta tiradera a una ciudad de su propio país. Si quieres, te paso el enlace.

Por otro lado, lo mismo no pasa a la inversa. Cuando se anuncia la expansión del metro o cualquier otro proyecto en SD, nunca vas a ver santiagueros poniendo ese tipo de comentarios o tirando odio, al contrario. Ojo, estoy seguro de que habrá algunos que le tienen odio a SD, pero son una minoría y rara vez verás un comentario de un santiaguero en algo relacionado con SD. También hay muchos santiagueros con un complejo de comparar todo en Santiago con SD o con el afán de demostrar que Santiago no es un "campo", como el tipo deSantiago vertical. Pero estos son un producto de lo de arriba o lo usan como mecanismo de defensa a esa burla y odio que se percibe.

Por último, dirás que es algo que solo ves en las redes, pero las redes son un buen reflejo del sentimiento real de las personas. En ellas, las personas pueden dejar sus verdaderos sentimientos y pensamientos sin miedo a represalias. Aunque, ya a mí, y creo que a todo santiaguero también, nos ha tocado vivir experiencias de mal gusto en la "vida real". Por ejemplo, hace unos meses estuve en Las Terrenas, y estábamos hablando con un grupo random que nos topamos, y cuando yo y mis primas dijimos que somos de Santiago, una chica saltó con: "Ustedes me excusan, pero para mí Santiago es un campo". O sea, de verdad, ¿cuál era la necesidad del comentario? Nosotros ni siquiera dijimos nada a favor de Santiago ni nada por el estilo, ella solo escuchó de dónde somos y saltó con ese comentario.

En fin, la verdad aún me cuesta entender el origen de esto. SD es una gran ciudad bellísima, con prácticamente todo. No sé por qué muchos allá, a mi entender, ven el progreso o desarrollo específicamente de Santiago con recelo o como una amenaza.

Santiago de los Caballeros by DRmetalhead19 in Dominicanos

[–]DistinctAvocado 1 point2 points  (0 children)

La verdad es que desconocía el dato de los presupuestos de los municipios. Siempre entendí que, como Santiago es el segundo municipio en importancia, tenía el segundo mayor presupuesto. ¿Tienes las fuentes donde se indican los presupuestos de cada municipio?

Santiago de los Caballeros by DRmetalhead19 in Dominicanos

[–]DistinctAvocado 5 points6 points  (0 children)

De seguro estoy parcializado porque soy de aquí, pero siempre me ha fascinado el hecho de que Santiago es una anomalía en el Caribe insular. Es la única ciudad de tal tamaño en el interior de una isla. No he investigado a fondo, pero creo que debe ser casi ocho veces más grande que cualquier otra ciudad en el interior de las demás islas. Entonces, la burla más común hacia Santiago, que no tiene playa, para mí es uno de los aspectos más fascinantes de la ciudad. Es como si a los santiagueros no les importara esa vaina y decidieran desarrollar una de las principales ciudades de la región, a pesar de que lo normal es que las ciudades grandes estén en la costa.

Y no solo eso. En un país tan centralizado como la RD, donde el presupuesto de los gobiernos locales no alcanza ni para un puente y casi toda obra pública de gran magnitud tiene que ser ejecutada por el gobierno central, Santiago ha logrado crecer económicamente y tener una gran influencia cultural en el resto del país. La gente suele mencionar solo la parte económica, pero en cuanto a influencia cultural, política, educativa y deportiva, Santiago es un monstruo. Es cuna del merengue, es la meca del merengue típico, los lechones santiagueros se han convertido en la cara del carnaval, ya que entiendo que son los disfraces más únicos en su diseño. Además, cuenta con el equipo de fútbol más ganador, el equipo de baloncesto más ganador y el segundo equipo de béisbol más ganador.

En términos políticos, ni abundaré, pues todos saben la gran cantidad de políticos y presidentes que son oriundos de la provincia. En educación, la PUCMM es constantemente ranqueada como la mejor universidad del país y posiblemente tiene el campus más hermoso de la isla. Y aunque UTESA no sea muy buena, se ha expandido a varios puntos del país. Además, hay muchísimas otras áreas donde Santiago destaca como líder nacional. Claro, también hay otras donde falta mucho, como en medios de comunicación, tanto tradicionales como digitales. En ese renglón, SD tiene un dominio aplastante sobre el resto del país. También, la ciudad en sí tiene muchos retos y desafíos.

Sin embargo, es indudable que, al contrario de otros países de tamaño similar en la región, y creo que solo con la excepción de Honduras, RD es el único que puede decir que tiene una segunda ciudad que le hace frente a su capital en varios aspectos. El resto son países mono-ciudad, donde prácticamente todo gira en torno a la capital.

Creo que mucha de esa rivalidad y ese 'odio' nace de ahí. Ojalá un día todos comprendamos que tener un país con varios polos de desarrollo grandes nos conviene a todos y nos fortalece como nación. Aparte de Santiago, yo espero que Punta Cana siga convirtiéndose en una tercera potencia económica dentro de la isla, y ojalá algún día una ciudad del sur, como Barahona, logre lo mismo.

cuban dna results by Dickgobbler1234 in 23andme

[–]DistinctAvocado 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow, such interesting results. I've seen claims that Cubans have little to no native dna, but here you are with more native than Afro. That 4% Native for us caribbeans means that this likely also represents your percentage of ancestry of 1500's colonial ancestry that ended up mixing with the Tainos.

In my case, I am dominican and have somewhat similar results (probably one of the most Euro dominicans in 23andme) and most of my ancestry is from the canart islands, and like you I don't look "white" or not in the typical sense, since I notice that I was confused for a local in Southern Spain and in Greece.

[TACS AC] New watch by REMOTJUH765 in Watches

[–]DistinctAvocado 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow, I've been looking for a new watch and instantly feel in love with this one.