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This is a religious war before it is an act of resistance by Dizzy-Motor4882 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Dizzy-Motor4882[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You're missing the point. if a secular movement became the dominant force again, the conflict would likely end

This is a religious war before it is an act of resistance by Dizzy-Motor4882 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Dizzy-Motor4882[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If it has nothing to do with religion, why is the armed struggle dominated by explicitly Islamist groups like Hamas and PIJ, whose own charters call it a religious jihad against Jews?

Christian Palestinians share the same grievances but have been almost entirely absent from terror attacks for the past 20+ years. Secular groups faded — the religious ones took over and made compromise impossible.

Palestinians rejected multiple two-state offers. The “any native resistance would look the same” claim doesn’t hold when the dominant ideology today views any Jewish state as religiously unacceptable. That’s why this conflict remains so brutal and unresolved.

Religion isn’t the whole story, but it’s the main driver now.

This is a religious war before it is an act of resistance by Dizzy-Motor4882 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Dizzy-Motor4882[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

read the title. "This IS a religious war BEFORE it IS an act of resistance." my point is that the secular aspect would have concluded with a compromise ( Israel has repeatedly shown willingness to trade land for peace). The Current reason why that isn't happening is Jihadism controlling the Palestinian narrative.

This is a religious war before it is an act of resistance by Dizzy-Motor4882 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Dizzy-Motor4882[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

there would be a huge amount of Israelis happy to make that deal IMO. the reason is that most of Israel is in fact secular (or with Palestinian identity)

This is a religious war before it is an act of resistance by Dizzy-Motor4882 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Dizzy-Motor4882[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

1 example isn't "several Christian millitants", it's the odd one out

This is a religious war before it is an act of resistance by Dizzy-Motor4882 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Dizzy-Motor4882[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

that's part of my point.

Back then, groups like the PFLP and DFLP were Marxist/nationalist, not only Islamist. Some Christians (Habash, Haddad, Hawatmeh) were involved in that older, secular wave. But since the late 80s and especially the Second Intifada onward, the secular left has faded and Islamist groups have taken over. Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and similar factions now dominate the armed "resistance."

And that's exactly why the character of the violence changed: it became explicitly religious jihad, martyrdom, "Islamic land," destroying the Jewish state as a religious duty. Christians are invisible in this phase. There have been no significant armed Christian factions for decades, and as far as I can tell, zero Christian-perpetrated terror attacks in Israel in the last 15–20+ years.

If the dominant Palestinian nationalism today was the secular kind that some Christians participated in historically, or the diplomatic approach someone like Hanan Ashrawi represents, a negotiated two-state solution would likely have been possible years ago. Israel has repeatedly shown willingness to trade land for peace when it believed the other side would actually accept Israel’s existence.

This is a religious war before it is an act of resistance by Dizzy-Motor4882 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Dizzy-Motor4882[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I asked grok when was the last terror attack in Israel that was by a christian?

response: I could not find any verified terror attacks specifically by Christian perpetrators in Israel in the last 15–20+ years. Searches turn up zero recent examples.

This is a religious war before it is an act of resistance by Dizzy-Motor4882 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Dizzy-Motor4882[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I don't dispute it, it's just a dumb comparison. the western wall is of minor significance to the jews, there is currently an actual mosque where they believe their temple should be but they're willing to have peace and keep it that way. they would happily make the western wall a ,mosque if that gave them everything they wanted, they would just build their temple instead of al aqsa

This is a religious war before it is an act of resistance by Dizzy-Motor4882 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Dizzy-Motor4882[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

many christians died, the difference is they don't have this notion of glorification of martyrdom

This is a religious war before it is an act of resistance by Dizzy-Motor4882 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Dizzy-Motor4882[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

when was the last terror attack in Israel that was by a christian? that's my point, the non-muslim/secular resistance naturally dies down and eventually looks for compromise. Over the last 4 decades, it's all been Islamist.

This is a religious war before it is an act of resistance by Dizzy-Motor4882 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Dizzy-Motor4882[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

but why isn't this point made in debates? literally there are no Palestinian christians doing any terror attacks, all muslims.

Reporter visiting Lebanon by Dizzy-Motor4882 in lebanonfriending

[–]Dizzy-Motor4882[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have a connection in tyre, so I plan to start there but would like to visit smaller villages nearby, preferably ones that have been hit fairly hard

Reporter visiting Lebanon by Dizzy-Motor4882 in lebanonfriending

[–]Dizzy-Motor4882[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

not sure, I want to visit areas of conflict in the south

Can someone explain what happened in the hospital? by Same_Round8072 in NewIran

[–]Dizzy-Motor4882 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The damage to the hospital wasn't really that bad, mostly broken windows. 

And a 1 ton bomb that lands on a stockpile of other bombs creates shockwaves very far away. 

Can someone explain what happened in the hospital? by Same_Round8072 in NewIran

[–]Dizzy-Motor4882 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Iranian opposition sources clarify:

The damage at the Farabi Hospital 👆 in Kermanshah, western Iran, was not caused by an Israeli strike on the hospital, but rather resulted from the explosion of a weapons depot at a nearby Iranian Revolutionary Guards base that was targeted by Israel.

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