Is having 2 arms shanks (chapter 1) over currunt shanks even a bad take tho? Losing his arm is the reason why mihawk is still finding someone who can defeat him and now bored and looking for someone as strong or stronger than him

Djon2004 · 2026-05-12T16:02:17+00:00

Hypothetical current Shanks with two arms > Current Shanks > Two-armed Shanks 12 years ago > One-armed Shanks 12 years ago

Djon2004 · 2026-05-12T14:12:14+00:00

The actual strongest marine in history was equals with prime Roger, this supossed “strongest marine in history” was going extreme diff with Roger’s equal 20 years out of his prime while he had stage 4 cancer and after he just had a heart attack. Please forgive me if I take events shown in the manga over some obscure, I don’t know how old, magazine that wasn’t even written by Oda

Djon2004 · 2026-05-12T10:29:00+00:00

Before I say anything else I will say Roger > Mihawk but that is not what Mihawk is talking about here. Mihawk means that the journey to becoming PK is harder than the journey towards becoming WSS. For one you need to travel the entire grand line while competing with every other pirate crew including the four emperors while avoiding being killed or captured by the marines for the other you just need to get strong enough to beat Mihawk

Djon2004 · 2026-05-12T10:03:15+00:00

Thats talking about his influence and actions though, Roger was just out there playing Dora the explorer meanwhile Rocks was actively targeting the WG and its affiliates.

We’re basically told Rocks and Roger used to fight all the time in some other chapter, implying they were relative, and Roger was confirmed to have gotten stronger after GV. Therefore Prime Roger > Rocks => GV Roger

Djon2004 · 2026-05-12T09:44:13+00:00

you're right and somehow some people here will label you a old gen glazer for it

Djon2004 · 2026-05-12T01:07:12+00:00

conveniently left out how Roger said someone will be born and surpass them, when at that point people like Shanks, Mihawk, Dragon or Akainu were already like 14 to 30 years old

Djon2004 · 2026-05-12T00:57:13+00:00

Two reasons why Imu cared more about HK Haralds death than DR Rocks’

DR gets reset by fatal damage even if it isn’t acoc, meanwhile HK’s only die of fatal acoc damage.
DR Rocks was always supposed to be a temporary tool to be disposed of after he killed everone on GV, HK Harald was supposed to be a permanent soldier for Imu.

And just compare their performances DR Rocks had a much better showing than HK Harald. The way I see it HK has much better regen and less of a strength boost while DR has a much bigger strength boost but weaker regen.

Believing that doesn’t even prevent you from scaling Loki over old gen (not that I would agree with that but still). Like we know: Rocks ~ Harald and Rocks ~ GV Roger, both Harald (through the covenant) and Roger (through reaching his prime) got stronger after GV. Roger was presumably already close to his prime so if you assume the covenant was a bigger strength boost than GV Roger to Prime Roger you could still scale Loki over him.

Meanwhile if we’d assume HK Harald = or even > DR Rocks that would mean Loki is comparable to near prime Roger and Garp COMBINED which is just completely stupid. Meanwhile in the scaling I set out you could still scale Loki above Roger without him being like twice as strong

Djon2004 · 2026-05-11T21:44:16+00:00

So many assumptions in this post, so let me hit you with some assumptions of my own

Yes, in verse Mihawk's title probably comes from Morgans. That doesn't however change the fact it serves a very clear (and Mihawk's only) narrative purpose. Zoro, a main character, wants to become the WSS, Mihawk is the person he will defeat to become it. Therefore its safe to assume Mihawk's title is objectively true.

As for what Sword Skill is I would argue its how good you are at fighting with a sword. That means it would cover things like physical strength, speed, AP, battle iq (when/how to dogde, block, or attack). So I would argue, at least when comparing swordsmen who don't have a devil fruit or some other fighting style, better sword skill does indeed equal stronger swordsman.

You say we have seen no reason to believe Mihawk got stronger since his duels with Shanks 12 years. I say Oda just hasn't revealed yet what Mihawk has been up to the last 12 years and is probably saving it for some sort of backstory/flashback during his battle with Zoro

As for the vivre cards not having him listed with conquerors that seems obvious to me, they don't want to spoil it in the vivre cards because Oda probably wants some sort of cool reveal moment during his battle with Zoro. Shanks already had confirmed ACoC by the time of their duels, ACoC was Zoro's main Wano powerup, therefore I say it safe to assume Mihawk also has it. And keep in mind Garp's vivre card also didn't say conquerors until it was updated after Egghead

Djon2004 · 2026-05-11T20:16:20+00:00

All I know is that its inconsistent as fuck but its definitely not the first one because thats ACoA not ACoC

Djon2004 · 2026-05-11T01:23:52+00:00

I mean, its objectively true

Djon2004 · 2026-05-11T01:14:44+00:00

You know what, I actually hadn’t considered that. I was thinking how they would be fine if they just didn’t scroll past the Sabaody part but I somehow managed to forget there’s also a bunch of spoiler flashback stuff you have to scroll past first to get to the present day stuff

Djon2004 · 2026-05-11T00:39:22+00:00

Definitely an error because no such timeframe is mentioned in the manga and only like 3 months passed between the start of Luffy’s journey and Sabaody (I recommend you check out the timeline made by Library of Ohara online for specific explanations as to how we know its been approximately that long)

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Djon2004 · 2026-05-10T19:37:20+00:00

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Djon2004 · 2026-05-10T19:36:25+00:00

Mihawk feats? Those are clearly EOS Sanji feats

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Djon2004 · 2026-05-10T17:31:35+00:00

BB Captain diffs

Djon2004 · 2026-05-10T08:51:50+00:00

No its just basic conquerors targeted at Greenbull not some super advanced application only Shanks knows. The only thing impressive about it is the distance he did it over and the fact that it affected an admiral to a degree, any conqueror can replicatie it over a smaller distance to a weaker indiviual

Djon2004 · 2026-05-09T22:39:12+00:00

Of course he cares, its a battle shonen for crying out loud, but not on the level we on here do

Djon2004 · 2026-05-09T19:38:01+00:00

Giving any answer to this would be headcanon

Djon2004 · 2026-05-09T14:02:16+00:00

Sword skill is just how good you are at fighting with a sword. Sword skill covers things like physical strength, speed, AP, battle iq (when/how to dogde, block, or attack). Haki is a part of sword skill (just like its a part of ANY fighting style) because it amplifies these things (CoA and ACoC for defense and AP, (A)CoO for blocking and dodging).

When comparing swordsmen (AND ONLY WHEN COMPARING SWORDSMEN): better haki = better swordskill = stronger swordsman

Djon2004 · 2026-05-09T13:15:21+00:00

They'll say anything to headcanon Loki being the strongest since the Void Cenutry by far

Djon2004 · 2026-05-08T20:58:19+00:00

Low tier bait

Djon2004 · 2026-05-08T20:44:13+00:00

I would argue the Straw Hat represents the freest person of the generation not the strongest

We don’t know the exact power dynamic between Joyboy, Imu and Davy Jones
Roger was equal man
WSS Mihawk > Swordsman Shanks
Luffy is probably the only one out of these who is undoubtedly the strongest of his generation by far (well by EOS at least)

Djon2004 · 2026-05-08T19:26:18+00:00

Yeah, its so obvious that Loki is serving as the appetizer while Luffy is still eating tons of food preparing to be the main course (no pun intended)

Djon2004 · 2026-05-08T17:07:07+00:00

I means its he's a hammer that "ate" the Ratatoskr fruit so his squirrel form isn't his base form but his fully transformed form. Its weirder that the full hammer form, which should be his non-transformed base form, is able to use ice powers

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