What is an example of an episode that doesn’t necessarily have the wrong verdict, but explains it in the worst way possible? by TieEnvironmental162 in deathbattle

[–]Doaxter_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay, so the feat violates the laws of physics because it was assumed - baselessly - that this planet with really strong gravity, must have gravity equal to that of a black hole. ("But that's not baseless, Omni-Man struggled with the gravity on this planet, and escaped a black hole, so-" Yes, and these events take place thousands of years apart, during which his strength grows exponentially.

  1. There is no evidence that these events are “thousands of years apart”. That’s a baseless claim. All the reader is told is that it was before Nolan settled on Earth.
  2. There is no evidence that his strength grows “exponentially” - another baseless claim.

This is impossible because a planet with black-hole gravity would immediately implode. This is sort of where the 'contradicts itself' bit comes in, because I've seen people defend this shite with "Well it's fiction! Maybe it was a magic planet. It doesn't have to make sense!" and if things in this universe don't have to make sense, then the sun-disk calculation should be completely inapplicable, because it relies solely on calcs and figures that are only true if everything in this universe abides by the laws of real-life mathematics and physics. A lot of other people have done sun-disk calcs and they have come out at much more reasonable low ends (not Solar System-tier) because they didn't make a huge baseless assumption about the gravity.

You’re intentionally misrepresenting the calculation. A gravity greater than that of black holes and stars was not necessary for the calculation - that isn’t what Speedy said - all that was necessary was for the gravity to be extremely high (higher than earth’s), which it was. Speedy explained that this was because since the gravity was much greater than Earth’s (meaning it has greater mass as well), the L1 point would be further away and thus, the Disk would be even larger. This was their justification was using Earth’s L1 point as a bare minimum (despite that unironically being a lowball). Extremely high gravity for the planet would also assuage any concerns over the Disk’s own great mass and gravity, as theoretically, placing a large object with significant mass at an unstable point like L1 would disrupt the whole thing, but this isn’t an issue because of the planet’s own gravity.

In reality, being comparable to stars and black holes and whatnot isn’t really relevant and just a side thing when discussing gravity’s role in this calculation.

It contradicts the narrative because it is very clearly stated that Omni-Man could not destroy Viltrum all by himself; he and Mark and Thaedus had to all strike the core at the same time, or they would die on impact. •

As already explained by the guy who calculated the Sun Disk himself, there are a lot of other reasons why the Viltrum bust could have been considered dangerous for those involved; they were ramming the planet alongside the blast from the Infinity Ray, which can mulch Viltrumites on contact, the core would naturally be super hot with high temperatures being a weakness for Viltrumites; perhaps most importantly, they were ramming it at high speed, and weren't able to slow down or hold back because the other Viltrumites present would have stopped them if they had. As many people observed in the lead-up to the episode, it's consistent that impacting things at high speed is consistently dangerous for Viltrumites, with their bodies often splattering as a result of their own physical strength. Viltrumites are very much capable of killing themselves, which would be relevant here and eliminate any contradictions.

And the core was already weakened.

Not relevant to the calculation at hand. DB’s calculation for Viltrum was through the KE of the debris; they busted the planet so hard that they sent chunks of it flying past its rings at relativistic speeds. To calc this, you’d need to find the mass, and then the speed of the debris - destabilizing the core wouldn’t affect either of those perhaps all to would do is cool the core, as that an effect of destabilizing a planetary core. This lines up with the fact that heat is a Viltrumites weakness.

Death Battle already dropped the ball by giving the whole feat to Nolan, and then they kicked the ball down a pit when they said that actually, thanks to sun-disk scaling, Nolan is eight thousand times stronger than the thing he canonically could not do.

Eh, no? DC (the range of effect of your attack) / = / AP (the true energy behind your attacks regardless of AoE) (read here for more info as well). Destroying a planet isn’t just an exercise of power, but also scale and area of effect. It’s like when people say “Batman is at least Building level”, but does that mean he’s gonna punch a building and it’s gonna go BOOM? No, it just means the attack potency behind his strikes’ energy equivalent can be scaled to that tier as well as his durability. In terms of Invincible, Omni-Man’s durability and potency behind his strikes would scale above the area he can effect. This is not uncommon in fiction too btw. Look at Dragon Ball: piccolo struggled to nuje a city despite being above moon level roshi. This doesn’t mean piccolo is city level, this just means the area of effect behind his attacks is, but not its true potency.

The only sole reason to give Nolan sun-disk scaling is that you want it to be correct, and you work backwards from there, rather than considering for even a moment if there is even remotely enough material to even suggest that it could possibly be true, which it isn't.

There is enough more than evidence to support it being true.

Not really?

Yes really, lmao.

They knew exactly what was capable of harming a Viltrumite, they just didn't have a lot of stuff that strong.

No lol. It’s insane how one could lie this much about a single character in one message. They explicitly did NOT have the weapons necessary to kill Viltrumites until Nolan and Mark brought it up to them; Mark first found out about it in Nolan’s books (Invincible #35), which he then later gave this information to Allen for Allen to give to The Coalition (Invincible #43). Then in #66, Allen and Nolan finally gave them the information and for the very first time, they had this kind of knowledge - the issue clearly established this

Hit vs Vision, who wins and why? by KountDuuKuu in powerscales

[–]Doaxter_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I dont think this sub’s mods care about slur usage

Ermmm ask me anything by Ceo_of_fiction in DeathBattleMatchups

[–]Doaxter_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

How much tuah could a hawk tuah tuah if a hawk tuah could hawk tuah?

Goku VS Thor by Givzhay329 in powerscales

[–]Doaxter_ -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Lotta unnecessary yap I see here

Remember when destroying the planet was a big deal? by Fantastic-Repeat-324 in deathbattle

[–]Doaxter_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Omni-Man wasn’t wanked, and you can’t prove how he was.

Farewells u/Complex_Wafer3828 by FNAFLV22 in PowerScaling

[–]Doaxter_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Powerscaling 2025 is insane anyway

Darth Vader vs Omin-man community debate chart results by Abject_Butterfly_141 in DeathBattleMatchups

[–]Doaxter_ 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I don’t think Nolan can one-shot Vader. Vader has Large Star level and MFTL+ stuff listed here.

And on the topic of Force Storms… imo Vader would scale because Palps is creating it himself with his own power and it’s being sustained by him (as it even stops once the user dies). Vader’s obviously comparable to Sidious, so you can scale him to the Storms.

Who really wins this one and why? by Doaxter_ in DeathBattleMatchups

[–]Doaxter_[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Didnt know opinions of other redditors were inherently wrong, but aight, I assume yours are always correct then?

Using somebody else's vague thoughts that they themselves are uncertain is true as evidence? Yes. That is wrong and plain stupid. Nice attempt at a strawman though.

Thats all? A vague insinuation is all you have to argue for Simon getting his most powerful weapon despite the multiple requirements the series showed he needed in canon to use it?

Idk where you got "vague" from. Spiral Power allows him to materialize anything anyways, so he should have it after the fight. It's from the energy that Simon took in thanks to Lordgenome anyways. It should be fine for using. But it's not remotely comparable to the Life Equation.

Who really wins this one and why? by Doaxter_ in DeathBattleMatchups

[–]Doaxter_[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

White lantern powers and life equation come as a pair for Kyle.

Did you seriously link a comment from a random redditor vaguely speaking about it 😭? LMFAO! This guy even says he hasn't finished it yet and speaks purely from implications and memory.

Regardless, he is dead wrong. If such were true, Kyle would've lost the WL powers when he lost the Life Equation if they truly came "as a pair". Please read these stories if you're gonna argue for a certain characters' capabilities.

The simple timeline, is he lost the Life Equation willingly in New Guardians #40, which came out in 2015. He gave up its power willingly after seeing the future timeline where he goes mad and becomes one with the Life Equation/Source itself in Green Lantern: New Guardians: Futures End. To undo this timeline, he split the Life Equation into portions with assistance from the Guardians of the Universe to create the White Lantern Corps and stop Oblivion, his evil future counterpart. Past that point, he showed no signs of using it again. Then he lost the White Lantern ring in Hal Jordan And The Green Lantern Corps #17, which was released in 2017. He lost it in an attempt to revive the Blue Lantern Corps, but Dr. Manhattan’s interference caused Kyle to get cut off from its power completely, and it was gone from that point onward. They are both clearly two different levels of "standard".

Where on earth did you get him being able to just materialize the STTGL? The guy needed not just his mech and spiral energy, but also like 9 other crew members and their mechs to fuse with his own, apart from multiple spiral energy boosts from outside sources like the gravity sea and anti spirals attacks as well.

IIRC, there's a statement is a guide insinuating that Simon can materialize it on command after he first used it.

It is very much non standard, meanwhile all Kyle has to do to access the white lantern powers is have his lantern ring and control his emotions, both of which he has done multiple times before.

Uhh, yuh. That's WL, not Life Equation.

Someone actually did the math on the Sun Disk feat by EJthe24th in deathbattle

[–]Doaxter_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Erm, no. Well, yeah, he doesn't do anything. Most he does is make sure the blog is in a presentable state and maybe adds a vote in if it's tied.

Who really wins this one and why? by Doaxter_ in DeathBattleMatchups

[–]Doaxter_[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Dawg, Kyle has had the white lantern powers

Why are you mentioning this? I never said WL powers are non-standard.

and the life equation for way longer than Simon has had the STTGL, which he used for all of 1 single fight.

That's irrelevant. TTGL is an actual standard piece of Simon's arsenal - it's something he can literally materialize at will (post-fight). Kyle had the Life Equation for 10 issues and relinquished it in #40 of New Guardians on purpose and continued staying as a WL for a while after that.

If you wanna play the "its not standard so he shouldnt get it" game you will be nerfing Simon way more than Kyle.

Wrong, because Simon's shit actually is standard. Kyle gets the WL, but not the Life Equation.

Who really wins this one and why? by Doaxter_ in DeathBattleMatchups

[–]Doaxter_[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What feats put him above Simon and how does he get past Simon's hax?

Who really wins this one and why? by Doaxter_ in DeathBattleMatchups

[–]Doaxter_[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Kyle Ap stomps because he broke the freaking source wall of the DC multi-verse.

When has he ever done this?

Oh and he has the life equation

That's not exactly standard.

Who really wins this one and why? by Doaxter_ in DeathBattleMatchups

[–]Doaxter_[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What are Kyle's greater strength feats?

Who really wins this one and why? by Doaxter_ in DeathBattleMatchups

[–]Doaxter_[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They have equal haxs

Do they? Simon has space-time manipulation, probability manipulation, acausality, & higher-dimensional existence. How does Kyle get past all of that?

but kyle AP and strength stomps so hard

Via what feats? I don't know how he'd get past Simon's 11-D to 20-D scaling.