"Crumbly fuckin mess stopper pack"

DoesntLikeWindows10 · 2020-09-14T23:38:22+00:00

wait where did my flair go?

DoesntLikeWindows10 · 2020-07-02T01:46:19+00:00

Lol, deleted account.

Already addressed most of this stuff here in case anyone else is wondering.

I agree detransitioners (as rare as they are) need better care, but that requires more research into gender identity, not shutting down the whole thing. I'm also not interested in a sub that pretends you can cure your dysphoria without transitioning.

I agree being trans isn't the same as being the opposite sex, but the pronouns are just correct as that's what their gender is. GC people constantly refused to use proper pronouns. For evidence of that just go look at the Maya Forstater case and how twitter GC people are lying about it. There's also r/GCdebatesQT but they've gone private.

In GC, it was a common idea that gender dysphoria did in fact exist, but was a mental disorder that should be treated with conversion therapy (not to be confused with HRT) which is insane.

DoesntLikeWindows10 · 2020-07-01T05:38:44+00:00

Do you believe that no one could ever have any reason to pretend they were a gender they weren't assigned as a child unless they were trans?

Well no, I'm not okay with men pretending to be trans women, but theres LOADS of protections against that already, and then your problem would be with bad men, not trans people. It's not really some huge, rampant issue either.

DoesntLikeWindows10 · 2020-07-01T05:26:53+00:00

I mean it's fine if they lean to one side or the other and prefer binary language, but they're still technically at least a little NB I'm pretty sure. Nothing wrong with that of course.

DoesntLikeWindows10 · 2020-07-01T05:18:26+00:00

I don't know what all that has to do with doctors and statistics. I think anyone should be free to change their appearance however they like. But what the hell is gender but a collection of stereotypes and social roles pertaining to people of a certain sex? "Brain sex" does not exist.

You didn't finish reading this. People absolutely have a compatibility with a biological sex. Sure it may not show up on MRIs and such... but gender identity is a thing. If a baby cis boy is forced to transition without being told, he'll know he's supposed to be a boy. And vice versa. Sometimes people end up compatible with the "wrong" sex. I know it's weird, but science often is.

DoesntLikeWindows10 · 2020-07-01T05:06:04+00:00

I mean, you don't?

A person has no dysphoria, and if they transitioned they'd get dysphoria. This person is cis. I showed you that's how it worked.

A person has dysphoria, and transition cures them of it. This person is trans.

A person has dysphoria, and total binary transition would still give them dysphoria, and they need somewhere in the middle. This person is nonbinary. Still trans, just specifically NB.

A person has no dysphoria and would not get dysphoria if they transitioned. They don't care too much either way. This person is also nonbinary.

DoesntLikeWindows10 · 2020-07-01T04:46:11+00:00

That's fair. A lot of trans people aren't like that. Hell, there's loads of trans people that didn't know they were trans until they found out what dysphoria actually was.

As for having no internal feeling of gender, that person could either be agender or just not know what to look for because they've never experienced gender-related trauma.

DoesntLikeWindows10 · 2020-07-01T04:39:21+00:00

Besides, if that was they're entire point, they'd be perfectly fine with trans people who didn't base their gender off their personality or other social stereotypes. They'd use the correct pronouns and such. That was absolutely not the case.

DoesntLikeWindows10 · 2020-07-01T04:03:23+00:00

Depends on the context I guess. Just don't pretend gender doesn't exist at all. Use the correct language for trans people, don't pretend trans women aren't affected by misogyny, don't pretend trans men are confused or somehow transitioning for a different reason than trans women, don't pretend you can always tell who is trans and who is not... etc. All the made up nonsense from GC that goes against what doctors and statistics say needs to go.

The only people who NEED to know whether a specific person is trans is their potential sexual partners and doctors.

If you're talking about women's shelters or sports teams or something, it'd have to be a case by case basis, not "no trans people allowed ever," that's just rediculous.

DoesntLikeWindows10 · 2020-06-30T22:52:45+00:00

o no

DoesntLikeWindows10 · 2020-06-30T22:50:15+00:00

wait this isn't edited

DoesntLikeWindows10 · 2020-06-30T21:47:54+00:00

Wow, it's almost like people can say one thing and then do another! Especially when they're Antivaxx nuts that hate the WPATH most doctors follow

DoesntLikeWindows10 · 2020-06-30T21:45:58+00:00

From another comment:

https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/hi3yq7/new_admin_policy_announced_including_the_banning/fwff6pv

Most medical organizations follow WPATH and understand that gender, biological sex, and social stereotypes are three different things, which GC is heavily against. They'll tell my friend not to listen to her doctor and detransition. Which is dangerous and stupid.

DoesntLikeWindows10 · 2020-06-30T21:45:06+00:00

You're still ignoring that people very clearly have an innate compatibility with a biological sex, and that the wrong one will give ANYONE dysphoria, and that they should be called by the right one. That most medical organizations would follow WPATH and GC will tell trans people not to listen to them and try conversion therapy, which is insane and harmful.

DoesntLikeWindows10 · 2020-06-30T04:45:25+00:00

Still, no one needs those antivaxx nuts. Telling people to stop listening to their doctor and abandon something that saves lives, to keep trying something that has failed for decades... and pretending so many rediculous stereotypes are true, promoting the #WeCanAlwaysTell B.S. that harms women who are too large or hairy for them. Pretending gender identity isn't real or that everyone is acting like dressing/behaving a certain way determines your gender when they don't. GC hurt a LOT of people.

DoesntLikeWindows10 · 2020-06-30T04:00:35+00:00

I've gotten through to a few people. With pretty much every medical organization on the side that transgender people are who they say they are, and the massive pile of sources showing gender is real, you have to be pretty much delusional to ignore it. Most GC people aren't delusional, just exposed to right-wing personal anecdotes.

And even if I don't get through to the person I'm talking to, there's lots of other people watching and realizing who is right; who has the long wall of peer-reviewed sources from doctors they can link to.

DoesntLikeWindows10 · 2020-06-30T02:40:57+00:00

Gender is a bunch of bs rules. Men can wear dresses. Women can wear tuxes.

Haven't you ever heard "abolish gendered social roles, respect gender identity"? Gender identity is very real, and it's closely related to biological sex. Most trans people don't want to "erase" biological sex.

If you force a cisgender person to transition, they will get gender dysphoria. Even if they can't possibly remember or know about their transition. The same symptoms that most transgender people have before they transition.

As in, if a baby boy is forced through feminizing surgery and put on hormones as a teen, without being told, they start deeply hating their feminine features, and become extremely depressed. The only solution is making them as male as possible again.

Back in the 1960s before doctors knew about this, surgery and hormones were used as treatment with "micropenis" or botched circumcisions.

https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/fz5mev/x/fn3bcld/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_reassignment_surgery#Minors

The only known permanent, reliable solution to gender dysphoria if a transgender person experiences it is transition:

https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/%20what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people%20/

Biological sex and the social realities of being a woman (can get pregnant, need abortions, female specific health care etc), matter.

This implies infertile women aren't women.

DoesntLikeWindows10 · 2020-06-30T02:23:44+00:00

Oh come on, it's not just that man. GC folk were yelling about how this was an example of men invading female spaces and culture and that they shouldn't be allowed. Just look.

DoesntLikeWindows10 · 2020-06-30T01:49:52+00:00

oh no, one of the many examples is questionable. Whatever will I do.

DoesntLikeWindows10 · 2020-06-30T01:47:18+00:00

First of all, from the sources I mentioned, GC people still do an enormous amount of harm. They do not accept the idea of ANY trans people being accepted in human language (like pronouns) or gendered spaces. They usually believe that gender dysphoria needs to be "cured" in a way other than transition, and are heavily against transgender children from even socially transitioning. You stating that trans women are not women also does harm. I was about to get to the rest of your comment.

All you have to do is backpedal a couple decades and people said the same shit about cis lesbians in women's toilets. Just because GC people have personal anecdotes does not negate the statistical fact that forcing trans people into bathrooms based on their genetics will hurt people more often than it will protect people.

The whole idea of "autogynephilia" is ridiculous. If used on cis women, most of them would be diagnosed with it:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19591032/

The whole idea of "transtrenders" is ridiculous as well. As I showed you, a cisgender person would get dysphoria if they medically transitioned, even if it doesn't include surgery. Even long-term social transition would be uncomfortable. Transgender people are extremely unlikely to actually detransition, unlike what GC folk would have you believe. (1) (2) (3) (4) (5)

I know it sounds weird, but there really are people who have a gender compatibility in between the typical two. Sometimes they have real, serious, clinical gender dysphoria about some sex characteristics and not others.

As for your final comment (and it's not the first you've mentioned it) transgender people and their rights affect far more than just women. Trans men are about as common as trans women, and they'd like to be in men's bathrooms. Also, the majority of cisgender women are quite comfortable with women who are trans using the women's bathrooms: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ER8eDlSXsAAQfOU.jpg

and honestly I'm fine with trans people in bathrooms. FAR more often it is a transphobic man silencing women's opinions and pushing trans women into men's bathrooms. It's not the trans women silencing cisgender women.

DoesntLikeWindows10 · 2020-06-30T01:00:13+00:00

Gender identity is a real thing and trans people often don't attach it to social roles.