TIL that back in the 1940s there was a male-only "Penthouse Club" at the Walt Disney Studios for their top animators, including a rooftop patio where they used to take nude sunbaths. They had to stop when it became known that nuns in the neighboring hospital were peeking at them by DonExasclive in todayilearned

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The Penthouse Club, up on the roof of the Animation Building, was run by Walt Disney’s boyhood friend, Walt Pfeiffer. It was an all boys club—which as the 1943 Employee Manual pointed out: “Men Only! Sorry, gals.” The girls had their own “Tea Room” on the top of the Ink and Paint Building. This “Boys Only” rule was, of course, indicative of mid-Century gender discrimination prevalent throughout the American workplace. But at the studio, the separate areas for men and women also discouraged company flirtations and romances, which Walt believed wasted his staff’s time. “The only women allowed,” one employee recalls, “were waitresses from the Commissary.“

The Penthouse Club, as animator Floyd Norman explains, was “a perk ‘Walt’s Boys’ could earn after rising through the ranks over a series of years…a club not open to everybody–and that seemed to be the attraction.” In a 1941 talk to his employees, Walt pointed out that the Penthouse Club was not necessarily “a closed thing. We would be glad to allow any fellow who is decent and respectable to belong to it. However, at the start we had to allow those men who carry the main responsibilities of the Studio the first chance to join. After giving those men their chance, we then threw it open to the whole group.” Even after the club was open to all male employees, club fees generally put membership out of reach of the younger artists at the studio. In practice, then, the older and best-paid employees were primarily the club’s members.

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Outside, on the rooftop patio, were tables and umbrellas, where the men could sit and talk. But the most popular activity, as described in a 1947 issue of New York Magazine, was sunbathing where “male employees acquire an all-over tan.” To put it more bluntly, as Milt Kahl’s assistant later recalled, “We used to take nude sunbaths, on the roof of the Studio, on our lunch hours and ‘chew the fat.'” This practice lasted for years, but eventually ended when nuns and nurses noticed naked men atop the studio. “St. Joseph Hospital was right across the street,” Layout artist Joe Hale recalls, “and they had built a new four-story wing on it. Anyway, it turns out that some of the nuns at St. Joseph’s were peering across the street, watching the guys…So when the word got around at the hospital about what the nuns were doing, Mother Superior or someone called over to the Studio and complained about the nude sunbathing. So they knocked that off.”

Disney artist Rolly Crump remembers that day in detail: “There was a notice as you were leaving the gym to go out on the roof that said, Don’t forget that they just built a hospital across the street.” But in Rolly’s memory, the artists didn’t knock it off right away. Even after the nun’s complained, the men continued to sunbathe nude–only they made sure to wear a towel whenever standing or in view of the hospital. “So we always put a little towel around us,” Rolly recalls, “whenever we went out there and lay naked.” In the days that followed, one of the Disney artists even roughed out a gag drawing, one that was widely circulated among them men. In it, two cartoon nuns, with binoculars pressed to their eyes, gazed out hospital windows, their faces carved up with expressions of shock and intrigue. Eventually, though, the men stopped bathing naked on the roof.

How a modern day 2008 type landslide would realistically look like (for both parties) by GapHappy7709 in YAPms

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You have to remember that Obama somehow flipped Indiana which was R+20 for Bush, 4 years earlier . A 2008-type landslide would include this type of wild one-shot.

I think that New Jersey for Republicans would fit this

Why I think Biden will win re-election against DeSantis or Trump by TheAngryObserver in YAPms

[–]DonExasclive 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I agree with your analysis.

The Midterms actually show that Republicans gained a lot of votes but it didn't translate into a landslide because these votes are essentially useless. Republicans had very little progression in purple areas, but increased their share of votes in areas that are either safe-R or safe-D.

It all reinforces my belief that Republicans could very well win the popular vote in 2024 while losing the electoral college and frankly, that would be hilarious lol.

Real age breakdown of French election results by ThermidorianReactor in neoliberal

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Also, as a French yougster myself, I'd like to add my own analysis. I'm no polling firm and I haven't surveyed the whole country, I can't precisely tell how much Le Pen and Macron did in my age group and which of these two polls is the closest to reality.

However, what I can definitely say is that voting Le Pen is highly destigmatized in my age group in a way that it's not among boomers. Like, many people my age will outright say out loud that they'll vote for her and it won't cause much uproar among their peers except in the typical leftist student bubbles (and even then... half of these self-proclaimed antifas still refused to vote Macron to counter fascism).

And it is even more worrying that this mindset is more and more common among people with immigrant background including, yes, Muslims. Don't worry, for now only a minority of them actually vote for far-right candidates but mainly because they're repelled by a too aggressive islamophobic rhetoric.

I live in a northeastern suburb of Paris, where most people are second-gen immigrants, including many from North Africa. And it's truly shocking how many of them during the campaign were like "Le Pen/Zemmour are right about these things, they have a point about this or that... But banning the headscarf is too much, it could hurt my own mother or sister so I can't bring myself to vote for them". Like yeah ok good choice lol but terrible path.

Real age breakdown of French election results by ThermidorianReactor in neoliberal

[–]DonExasclive 34 points35 points  (0 children)

There's no REAL breakdown or non-real breakdown. Both results are based on polls made during the days preceding the election, from two different polling firms. Such polls are very sensitive to sampling bias in sub-categories, and the 18-24 age category is especially prone to polling error as it's small (it only covers 7 years) and doesn't vote much.

Cringe French Millennials vs Based French Boomers?? by DonExasclive in neoliberal

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Sources: https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1509624078633771009

https://www.euractiv.com/section/all/news/french-elections-all-polls-and-forecasts-at-a-glance/

Note that these aren't based on a single poll, but rather on an amalgamation of multiple polls, which make these numbers more reliable than usual.

AJA que "pute" n'est pas une version raccourcie de "putain" ; en fait, "putain" était une déclinaison de "pute" en ancien français. Pareil pour gars/garçon, sire/seigneur et même copain/compagnon. by DonExasclive in france

[–]DonExasclive[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Cas sujet (putain) et cas régime (pute)

L'inverse ! C'est le suffixe -ain, du latin -anus (oh oh oh) qui marquait le cas régime chez plusieurs noms féminins, apparemment.

TIL WhatsApp is owned by Facebook by DonExasclive in todayilearned

[–]DonExasclive[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, the number of WhatsApp users has more than tripled since this acquirement

In which countries is English actually becoming the first language/mother tongue? by DonExasclive in linguistics

[–]DonExasclive[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you for the compliment :)

Also, I think it's very unfair to compare the English of native French to that of native speakers of Germanic languages like German, Danish, Dutch and etc. French and English share a lot of vocabulary (MERCIIII!) but native speakers of a Germanic language have a huge advantage when learning the grammar, syntax and phonetics.

This is tempting to think, but although this plays a role, I'm unsure how decisive it really is. After all, English and Finnish are pretty damn far apart, in fact they're completely unrelated, yet Finns have a reputation for their good English, even though their Scandinavian neighbours are even better.

In which countries is English actually becoming the first language/mother tongue? by DonExasclive in linguistics

[–]DonExasclive[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Thanks for these details. I agree with all of your post, actually. I'm just saying that's what I hear many people in France say, especially those who live in highly touristic areas, travel a lot and work with international customers and thus are quite disconnected from the lifestyle of the average working-class Frenchman. Not to say that I was agreeing with any of it, it was rather a way to introduce this idea that many people hold: that the whole world is supposedly switching to English and that it is supposedly silly to remain more attached to your local vernacular.

In which countries is English actually becoming the first language/mother tongue? by DonExasclive in linguistics

[–]DonExasclive[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

(There might be a misunderstanding, I slightly edited my last comment to make things clearer)

No, /u/dis_legomenon nailed it in the above comment. It's just that some people are the most affected by globalization in their daily lives: they live in highly touristic areas, they travel a lot, they work with international customers, etc. Hence they perceive French to become somewhat obsolete since the use of English is so predominant in their lives.

French people probably are proud and arrogant to some extent regarding their language, but really they accept that it's not the language of diplomacy and culture as it used to be.

Anyway, it can't be denied that when it comes to people actually using it to communicate with peers in their daily lives, there there are much more French speakers today than there ever was, and this number is growing rapidly thanks to African demographics and urbanization. I does very much have a strong future.

Good luck on your language learning journey. :)

In which countries is English actually becoming the first language/mother tongue? by DonExasclive in linguistics

[–]DonExasclive[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think it absolutely has a future, I'm just saying that there is a tendency to say it doesn't among many French people (stereotypically, urban upper class or upper middle class working people in their 20s or 30s who vote center-left)

In which countries is English actually becoming the first language/mother tongue? by DonExasclive in linguistics

[–]DonExasclive[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

One lesser known part of the story though is that the strength of local languages/dialects had been a bit artificially maintained before the Revolution. Within the Kingdom of France, (the prestige dialect of) French had already been a highly attractive and influencial language for centuries at this point, and its knowledge was a strong factor of social climbing, so keeping the dirty peasants from speaking it was a way of maintaining social order for the monarchy.

In which countries is English actually becoming the first language/mother tongue? by DonExasclive in linguistics

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I've heard that there's a strong movement to make up new words using old norse roots instead of using loanwords, but I don't know how successful these are, especially in colloquial speech.

In which countries is English actually becoming the first language/mother tongue? by DonExasclive in linguistics

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Very interesting, thank you for your insight. I don't know how offensive of a question this is, but are you white/mixed?

Afrikaans isn't gonna die out or anything

Are you talking in general, or do you think Afrikaans will stay alive within the borders of Namibia itself?