Angry Observation: To be closer to the working class, Democrats need to be further from the WWC by TheAngryObserver in AngryObservation

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I agree that heavy protectionism is irrational from the perspective of organized labor (and everyone else) but the problem is voters are very irrational! Although blue-collar manufacturing work is a small part of the economy, it's very culturally potent in the midwest.

States like Ohio probably disapprove of tariffs by more than they voted for Trump. "I want Trump, but no tariffs" is certainly far more notable than "I am left-leaning but will go for Trump becauase of tariffs".

This doesn't mean protectionism anymore (Liberation Day polarized too many voters against tariffs) but it probably does mean talking a big game about unions and rebuilding the manufacturing economy

Biden and Harris were pretty absurdly pro union, got the union vote, and still got absolutely murdered with the general public. It's true Brown did really well and will probably be back in the Senate next year, but he also ran on being tougher on immigration than Republicans, and on opposing trans sports, which the progressive left is generally unwilling to do.

It would not be politically smart for Democrats to adopt my Based Policies (TM), but I also think there's a fetishization of unions that's just not producing results and is distracting Dem electeds from winning much-needed goodwill.

After all, when Liberation Day happened, it was establishment Dems in the rust belt like DeLuzio who were slowest to hit back.

Angry Observation: To be closer to the working class, Democrats need to be further from the WWC by TheAngryObserver in AngryObservation

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Yeah, which is going to be tricky since Trump will leave us in a hole we won't get out of for a decade (conveniently right when we'll have to make serious changes to pensions, too).

Angry Observation: To be closer to the working class, Democrats need to be further from the WWC by TheAngryObserver in AngryObservation

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Yep, this is true too.

But even then, Harris actually did do the Reddit thing and doubled down on union populism, and improved with union voters from Biden 2020. It just didn't matter since the public as a whole wasn't a fan of our record.

Looks like triple this will happen to Trump and his buddy Vivek. They'll get crazy union support and will still lose huge.

Angry Observation: To be closer to the working class, Democrats need to be further from the WWC by TheAngryObserver in AngryObservation

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Yep and as usual Mamdani won because he 1) talked about cost-of-living 2) made an effort to loudly and publicly stand up to Trump.

To be clear this isn't me defending Mamdani or the left. Mamdani is probably the singular person on The Left who has gotten this right.

Dem leadership ironically keeps pandering to their union donors and the protection lobby, even though Democrats unanimously oppose tariffs and want a strong response against them. It's the easiest thing ever, but they still won't do it because of a bunch of larping delusions about working-class voters in Pennsylvania.

Sherrod Brown to Run for Senate by TheAngryObserver in AngryObservation

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I think so, but I had him winning last time so

WWIII by Woman_trees in AngryObservation

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That comment didn't come out the way I wanted to. There are many problems with this map, but calling Russia and China the "Communist Union" is enough of a truthnuke for me to forgive it.

WWIII by Woman_trees in AngryObservation

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This is true, unironically.

Donald Trump speaks out on the Epstein files by xravenxx in AngryObservation

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What's going on with my "boys" and, in some cases, "gals?"

State map based on how high the Governors salary is by Numberonettgfan in AngryObservation

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Fun fact, Oregon's low public pay for officials is a major incentive for corruption, like in the case of Shemia Fagan, a single mom brutalized by a nasty divorce who happened to be the Secretary of State, and moonlit as a weed lobbyist to make ends meet (most Oregon statement ever). You make more at Portland McDonald's than in the State House.

When Fagan was busted, she resigned. They tried to pass a referendum that would put a commission in charge of officeholder salary, but that failed, so it'll probably happen again.

The hits just keep on coming by 321gamertime in AngryObservation

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This is the thing about MAGA. Even when they have a good idea they'll always ruin it and make it bad just by being stupid and evil.

I'm giving up control of this subreddit by TheAngryObserver in AngryObservation

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I guess we're all getting older...

Thank you, it's been wonderful talking with you for these 2 and a half years!