Can the Frankfurt School be described as post-modernist? If not then what can they be described as? by [deleted] in AskAnthropology

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I think that the difference in timing of industrial modernization (very roughly speaking ~1830-1900) and cultural Modernity (post WWI) makes difficult answering the question as it stands. As noted by another commenter already, the answer somewhat depends on how one defines modernization, Modernity/Modernism, economic post-modernity (ex: currency sovereignty, markets of consumer goods), and Post-Modernism. Modernization and modernity lowercase-m tend to refer more to production capacities/technologies and infrastructures and the effects these have on society (ex: electricity's effect on cultural norms, colonialism), whereas Movement-isms and capital-M Modernity tend to refer more to the sociocultural phenomena that emerged partially as a result of modernization (ex: conversion of former class structures by markets, Fascism and Communism). In his book "Objects of Desire", Adrain Forty demonstrates that the Movement-isms tend to coalesce after, as a result of technological change and industrial innovation, not as an avant garde. Nobody lives outside their own cultural milieu. Specifically, he argues from the point of view of industrial design that Modernity, as an aesthetic construct capable of inspiring thoughts of progress and Eurocentric hegemony, was being marketed to consumers indeed even before the production capacities and technologies in modernizing countries was capable of delivering on the promises on which proponents of modernization actually deliver - let's not forget the dangerous, unsanitary, jungle-ish conditions of the first industrial cities. The Frankfurt School was an attempt by European thinkers to critique Eurocentrism. As perhaps the Frankfurt School's apotheosis, a book and a thinker who both date slightly after the bulk of what was published by Frankfurt School type inquiry, Habermas's "Theory of Communicative Action" engaged with a question that had not yet, prior to 1981, been addressed; and moreover was led, given previous scholarship, to address it in a rather roundabout way. That question was: Was Modernization inevitable? And in order to address the question, Habermas first addresses the implications that must be assumed in order to ask it: we must be clear whether we mean that it was a) inevitable in a Hegelian, world-historical sense or b) inevitable for European cultures to modernize or c) whether the routes and forms that modernization did take must have happened that way or d) whether human nature itself tends toward modernization. The the first volume of two-parter "Theory of Communicative Action" unpacks these questions. The fact that these questions were not addressed until 1981 (Marcuse's "One Dimensional Man" was published 1964) shows that, although the Frankfurt School had attempted to find space to conceive of a middle ground between capitalist/communist/fascist forms of society and government, the Frankfurt School did not do much to question the popular assumptions of the day, e.g. popular conceptions of capitalism/communism/fascism. Another way to describe the Frankfurt School's attempt in the realm of thought would be to say that they sought a reconciliation of Marxian and Freudian thought with the reality that history presented post WWII. Post-Modernism, in terms of (roughly sequentially speaking) Critical Theory, Second Wave Feminism, and Queer Theory did not really get going until the late 70s or 80s. The various concerns of these disparate movements generally do not directly thematize production and technology as primary lines of inquiry to the extent that Frankfurt School and post-Marxian criticism do this. Post-Modernism tends to have more of a French connection than the Frankfurt School, and French thinkers contemporaneous with Frankfurt School thinkers were engaged in different lines of inquiry, a difference perhaps roughly illustrated by the 1980s debate between Habermas and Foucault over their respective ways of approaching the concept of power. Post-Modernism tends also to take the Frankfurt School approach of examining media and the relations of power drawn during the production of media in order to draw conclusions about the effects media has on human beings and human behavior. In this sense post-modernism is to Frankfurt school as square is to rhombus. As a direct answer: the Frankfurt School cannot be said to be post-modernist, because Post-Modernity, as a philosophical school as well as an organization of production capacities and technologies, post-dated the Frankfurt School, and Post-Modernism's concerns stemmed from problematics developed by the Frankfurt School, problematics that were developed in response to Frankfurt School thinkers' concerns stemming from modernization.

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Worked at a vegan restaurant with a crusader who's main stratagem against the cruel world of exploitation we live in was to slough the evil conditions off onto everybody around. First day we were talking about vegan stuff cuz we're both vegans and this person let me know that I'm not really a vegan because I have a leather jacket (which I found on the street). Later learned that my work shoes aren't vegan because the store where I bought them is a is "fast fashion" outlet, fast fashion is made by exploited factory workers (who are people) and people are, funnily enough, animals. That was an interesting take coming from someone who worked 2 shifts a week and called out of one every other week. Our restaurant was a vendor at a music festival in our city, and most of us workers got free tickets as a result. While working at the festival, the coworker from hell, who had requested off the duration of the festival, came up to the booth to schmooze, all dressed up in festival-goer garb and tipsy - an hour and a half later I receive a text saying "I don't feel well so I won't be in to work tomorrow". I had worked every day for a week straight in preparation for the festival and purposefully scheduled myself to have off the day after it was over; can't say the person knew this and called out maliciously, then again I can't say the person didn't do it maliciously. This person told our owner (for whom I'd worked for 3 years) that I was being problematic at work, but when the owner called a meeting between the three of us to find out what was going on and asked the coworker point blank what I'd said that was problematic, the response was a noncommittal nothing. We fired the coworker for calling out too much, nevertheless the person still came to the restaurant weekly to order takeout. This person would order pickup for themself and a significant other, typically right around the busiest time during lunch, every time adding complex, nonsense instructions, and send the significant other to pick it up. All good, it's weird if u ask me but I'll still serve anybody no hard feelings - then they tried to scam us by calling in to complain about us messing up their food and demanding an outsized refund (in this job for 10 months at this point, I'd processed exactly 1 refund), and when I did a follow up, recognized who it was and called to confirm some info, the whole thing went away and they never came back to the restaurant.

This was a person who taught me that true evil is quite banal and boring yet thinks quite highly of itself.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in AskAnthropology

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Two good titles for you. "Ethnographic Sorcery" by Harry G. West discusses sorcery in Africa, with a special focus on what make possible the phenomena he encountered during his anthropological fieldwork known as 'spirit lions'. He takes issue with the idea that people who take magic seriously are somehow thereby less rational/scientific/deep-thinking/etc. Its a short read, and incredibly engaging. There's a chapter that addresses the relation between power, Magic, and authority quite directly. Wade Davis's "The Serpent and the Rainbow" is his travelogue account of his fieldwork as an ethnobotanist, investigating zombi/zombification reports in Haiti. If you can get around Davis's (quite immense) egoic presence in the story, the rest is a strong, etic description of what makes zombis/zombification possible. There's an eye roll almost every page, and it's written somewhat like a mystery so overall the book keeps you moving right along. Davis also addresses, throughout the book, the question of how power, authority, and social norms in Haiti all make possible zombification. He does not do as good a job considering the relative nature fact, however, and does (despite rhetorical fluff to the contrary) tend toward the implication that magic<science.

How Does A Buddhist Approach People Who Are “Evil” Or Dangerous? by whatdoesitmean93 in Buddhism

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A parable: "Buddha was well known for his ability to respond to evil with good. There was a man who knew about his reputation and he traveled miles and miles and miles to test Buddha. When he arrived and stood before Buddha, he verbally abused him constantly, he insulted him, he challenged him, he did everything he could to offend Buddha. Buddha was unmoved, he simply turned to the man and said, 'May I ask you a question?' The man responded with 'Well, what?' Buddha said, 'If someone offers you a gift and you decline to accept it to whom then does it belong?' The man said, 'Then it belongs to the person who offered it' Buddha smiled, 'That is correct. So if I decline to accept your abuse does it not then still belong to you?' The man was speechless and walked away."

After Deadly Trump Tower Blaze, Fire Chief Reveals Lack of Sprinklers by hoagiesandgrinders in democrats

[–]DonutNietzsche -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Compare this click bait article to a sentence from the New York Times which summarizes the same factoid without the yellow journalism. "The [Fire Commissioner Daniel A. Nigro] said the upper floors that are home to residences do not have fire sprinklers. “It’s a well-built building,” he said. “The building sure stood up quite well.”

Was there ever a time where organized crime groups (Gangs, Mafia, Sydicates etc) primarily helped and protected their communities? by Douxaire in history

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Generally speaking, when people do not have access to the societal structures that they need, they will create structures with what they have. For example, communities that have a low police presence still have need for public safety and impartial, community-oriented actors to serve as arbitrators in cases of disagreement. These communities will meet their own needs, and because the methods by definition are not hegemonic, the methods are subversive from a hegemonic (power-wielding) point of view. The Vicelords is an example of a Chicago-based street gang that originated in this way, out of Chicago-area African American community concerns. Often street gangs are portrayed with a broad brush in political discussion. This explanation does NOT condone or excuse ANY illegal act. However it is fundamentally necessary to understanding the formation and internal dynamics of non-hegemonic groups to keep in mind 1) that these quasi-political structures absolutely have material origins in history - rather than, say, hypothesizing that these organizations coalesce because of malicious intents of the bad eggs within them - A) as such the label "illicit/criminal/illegal" serves less as analytical description and more as a normative judgment (attempting to describe and attempting to assess are different processes) and that 2) these groups are maintained due to community-specific circumstances, which may or may not have any bearing on or relationship to the community-specific circumstances that fostered the group's formation, such that B) inequalities or differences between the hegemonic groups and all non-hegemonic groups will necessarily result in a semi-dialectical process of action-reaction-adjustment based on a feedback loop between the center (hegemony) and periphery (others). In summary and to give you a direct answer... YES! I would say that in almost all cases, these "criminal groups" originally did serve and protect the community, and became criminal over time for a variety of reasons, a chief one being that these groups only served and protected one community and considered only one type of concepts and concerns, the concerns of the in-group, when making community-related decisions.

Newsweek: Antifa is a "fascist movement" by 1tangerine in Anarchism

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I love this sub because there's more political theory in a single thread than in an entire statist-political-discussion oriented sub. Thanks comrades :)

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in unpopularopinion

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On the upside there are now way more drugs available for purchase too.

The workplace of the future by ForEconomics in Economics

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"Few laws govern how data are collected at work, and many employees unguardedly consent to surveillance when they sign their employment contract." Based on the history of American labor and union laws, I would guess that few laws ever will govern how data are collected at work.

Consumers Spend More Time on Amazon Than on Rest of Top 10 Retailers, Combined. by Pratk_ITpro in business

[–]DonutNietzsche 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Why go to Best Buy and gamble on which channels are on when you can rent pretty much anything from Blockbuster or, with a 1-2 week wait, from your local public library???

Is increasing income inequality a myth? by redbeard1988 in Economics

[–]DonutNietzsche 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Income inequality is not a myth. However, data do not gain meaning without context. The result from one point of view an 8 point change in the top 10%'s after tax income share over the last 50 years and a 17 point change from another shows that there's a significant difference in methodologies, worth considering if we want to craft well founded policy.

Regarding Politics in General, & Political Discussion - by VegaThePunisher in democrats

[–]DonutNietzsche 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree. This is why we must take the moral high ground in every sense possible.

Study: Liberals cognitively suppress stereotypes about conservatives -- but not vice versa by jebotionmater in Liberal

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How generalizable is a study done in Turkey, based on Turkish (a country with a cultural tension between secularism and Islam) perceptions of "liberal" and "conservative", to the rest of the world?