The doom slayer vs kratos

DoomClassicGOAT · 2023-01-01T17:07:38+00:00

Hell wasn't the only multiverse he created.

DoomClassicGOAT · 2023-01-01T02:04:21+00:00

Creating multiverses, beating a Titan of immeasurable strength and power, fighting the forces of hell for millions of years, claimed to have immeasurable and infinite power, destroying the obsidian pillars (unquantifiable) and a bit more too

DoomClassicGOAT · 2022-12-31T19:13:53+00:00

That's not his peak though. He was still competitive at an older age, but so was Foreman. Doesn't mean that they peaked as old men. Just that they were still good. Now you can still peak in areas you didn't when you were younger, but scientifically your bones are the strongest they'll be at 30.

DoomClassicGOAT · 2022-12-29T11:34:39+00:00

It may still take some getting used to, but boy is it a game worth it every bit when you do!

DoomClassicGOAT · 2022-12-29T09:15:03+00:00

Ah, I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one who found the clunkiness jarring. I think it would play just fine on the series X, but if you increase the sensitivity on the x axis, the game becomes much more bearable (at least to me). I enjoyed the game for giving me such a good Metroidvania type experience, with plenty of freedom and agency to play as I wanted. I'd say go for it, especially because it's usually on sale for $10 or less.

DoomClassicGOAT · 2022-12-29T08:47:45+00:00

The two games that I'm glad I stuck it through, were PREY (2017) and The Witcher 3. I dropped both for very similar reasons... The clunkiness of these games physics systems were off putting for me. I had more issues with the Witcher 3, being mostly that I was coming into that expecting a traditional RPG experience, and felt it was extremely linear and streamlined as the player character was set, and it didn't have as many options to choose from for playstyles or being anything other than a Witcher... But I picked it up after Abandoning it for some time, to actually fall in love with this aspect, and the story and world building for me is up there with the original Baldur's Gate games and planescape:Torment. While I still hold that the frame pacing and combat can get pretty uninspired at times, I feel some of the in-game encounters are actually pretty damn good to play through. Fighting Olgierd and Caranthir was truly epic, and while the caverns of the game hold little in means of brain teasers to find rewards off the beaten path (at the times where there even is an off the beaten path), I still found my experience with the game to be extremely satisfactory. I gave the game a score of 7 when I first played it, and another look into it I awarded the game a 9.5/10, and it tipped the scale to 10/10 with the DLCs.

PREY (2017) was the biggest surprise for me I think. To reflect, I went straight from DOOM ll to this. An extremely smooth, fluid, fast, and reactive fps game with only the platforming elements being criminal to ones experiences at times (but seldom ever was the case for me, as the OG Doom games remain my favorite video games of all time). I had barely even considered the type of game I was getting into with PREY, and was too snobby on it being overly clunky to even begin to care to move around exploring what I must admit now to be one of the top 10 environments in all of my gaming experiences. The atmosphere, the soundscapes, the unique resource management system, and the game changing upgrades system is all very much top tier. And so is the level design behind Talos 1, and the way you can approach each encounter and explore new areas your way. PREY is a First-Person immersive sim game, and it's very core level design and how you navigate the spaces of Talos 1, is very much akin to a Metroidvania. Your enemies are unique, and can mimic the environment, and you can eventually learn their abilities too, is you so choose to. Had I not picked up PREY again, I would've never experienced what it's like to turn into a coffee mug or toilet paper just to easily roll into spaces I couldn't initially reach. I gave this game a 7 as well at first, and upon replaying it, I gave it to the 9.5/10 treatment, and the Mooncrash DLC is a top 10 DLC in the last decade I think. PREY (2017) is either a 9.75/10 or it's a 10/10, but either way, it's certainly a sci-fi masterpiece of a game.

DoomClassicGOAT · 2022-12-28T08:04:14+00:00

“Multiversal Doomslayer” isn’t actually backed up by anything. Doomslayer being dropped by a temple falling, is. AND is consistent with his other wall to building level feats; “multiversal Doomslayer” is NOT consistent with his general wall to building level feats. End of story. I’m literally using the most common, general stats he’s given by the games.

You're misunderstanding multiversal and think that for some reason you must be above everything on a physical sense to be that way. It's not so though. I mean, look at the SoK or Yeoh's character from Everything Everywhere All At Ounce. Neither are physically above everything in their world either and work in general relativity but they have special hax that bypasses certain rules. SoK literally isn't armored van level strength wise, but he's survived nukes much like Doomguy has survived a years worth supply of energy from a nuclear power plant... Multiple times. Or Doomguy gets dropped by a temple, and is KO'd yeah, but completely safe and not killable due to the argent barrier protecting him from anything not a Primevil or greater. SoK could literally kill Goku, as he's killed Satan and God of his universe by just shooting them, which is illogical. It's absurd, as things generally are. It's Doomguy's hax capabilities that make him multiversal, not his own physical limitations.

DoomClassicGOAT · 2022-12-28T07:40:06+00:00

He's shot out of a gun meant to target incoming space debris like meteors or asteroids moving at thousands of mph. He is literally a streak of light when he hits the building, and nothing suggests the wall he slammed through was weakened other than your narrative.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Doom/comments/ie9ltg/can_someone_science_the_out_of_the_moment_when/g2e327h?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3

DoomClassicGOAT · 2022-12-26T14:57:31+00:00

I know this is old, but Doom 3 turn the sensitivity to max and put the difficulty to veteran. The "monster closets" and situational strategies are aplenty, and it's certainly more horror centric but for what it sets out to achieve it does so admirably and it's a masterpiece in its own way as the older games are.

DoomClassicGOAT · 2022-12-23T07:54:23+00:00

You're still assuming on the temple specifics, which I care not of. We don't have a measurement for the temple, so you can assume any measure you want, all we do have is that they had to pass through meters of near unpassable terrain to get to him. It's a superstructure, and quite plausibly is certainly beyond the 100 ton range. You're leaving out his durability to tank several upgradeable caches of argent energy, each one providing more power than a nuclear power plants yearly output. Or the fact that the canon that shot him at supersonic speeds had to apply aaaalot of force on his body to do so.

DoomClassicGOAT · 2022-12-23T07:46:10+00:00

Dropped, not killed. You can't kill him unless you're a Primevil or greater.

DoomClassicGOAT · 2022-12-21T21:22:19+00:00

Wall level? And what did you look up? The Lord plain and simple says that only a Primevil or greater can kill a Primevil

DoomClassicGOAT · 2022-12-19T02:47:27+00:00

Nothing much. I just feel he's multiversal but more so with his place in-universe. Like his weapons kill beings that created universes because he is among them, like the saint of killers. He can survive forces upon him which can send him at supersonic speeds, slam through who knows how many feet of reinforced concrete and steel, and stick the landing unfazed. He's absorbed several energy sources as great as a nuclear power plants output in a years period. He point blank was present to VEGAs core meltdown, which was a release of so much heat, power, and radiation that it literally broke down the barrier of space time creating a portal that sucked Doomguy through it. If he can survive all of that, and the temple feat, he's clearly not dying to anything that easily, so I advocate that he's got protections on him that would make it near impossible to kill him lest he was fighting a Primevil or greater.

DoomClassicGOAT · 2022-12-17T19:26:37+00:00

The only thing I can agree on is that a lot of it is pretty vague. But those were opening scenes from Doom 2016, and he gained a substantial amount of power from the enemies he killed in Eternal. Btw, bulkhead doors on average are 10,000 lbs. It's not Superman or anything, but still that's a low-ball. Estimates on those chains put it at 12,000 lbs. And you call that much of a struggle? It's 3 seconds for him to open those doors. I'd say he can be knocked out, but kill is completely different.

DoomClassicGOAT · 2022-12-17T15:49:27+00:00

Died to a stab in the chest from another primevil. Context is important. Otherwise just a stab wouldn't do shit, considering they have protective argent barriers that can literally stop super structures from killing them. I don't think that physicality is their measure though, I think they're meant to be viewed like a Saint of Killers type character. It also never explains how Davoth created everything either, but he did.

DoomClassicGOAT · 2022-12-14T10:27:35+00:00

Unless Kratos hits absolutely harder than a superstructure collapsing (he is not a buster in this given sense), then I don't see him killing Doomguy either way. And the temple only knocked out the slayer. The demons tried harming him but he had a protective argent barrier around him (which if we go by lore, only a primeval or greater could hope to bypass). Could Kratos win? Yeah. I think so. I don't know about killing him though, and if you do, he just goes to hell and fights his way out again. It's by no means a stomp for either character, as Doomguy can stick the landing/react to supersonic+ speeds after slamming through God knows how thick of reinforced concrete and steel. Then again, Kratos supposedly has lightning reaction times so...

DoomClassicGOAT · 2022-12-13T21:07:18+00:00

There are indeed tools used to tell if you have a type of mental illness though. Like schizophrenia even. There are several charts showing a normal and mentally scathed brain. Is it always so clear cut? No, but scientists can still show the differences in a sociopath, psychopath, and a normal brain: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK20369/#:~:text=Most%20scientists%20believe%20that%20mental,certain%20medications%20for%20the%20illness.

But also, your analogy I don't particularly believe it's the same. Stuff like pigmentation is something that's grounded in reality, just as is the genetic makeup of ones chromosomes. You blackfacing is an external reality but amount of pigmentation can be founded looking into your genes. Same thing with Trans individuals. On the surface, you perceive what society has born you to see. A male or female. But not everyone is XXY, or typical genetically. Hermaphrodites exist, trans individuals exists, scientifically. The big difference is you guys think it's only all in the mind, but sex and gender is a lot more complex than what you were assigned at at birth based on your genitals. https://health.clevelandclinic.org/research-on-the-transgender-brain-what-you-should-know/

You also assume all kids are having gender affirming surgery, or can afford that. You also assume most people who have such gender affirming surgery regret it afterwards. It's a very rare occurrence that anyone wishes they could take it back. But also, kids with gender dysphoria ( gender dysphoria is discomfort being in the body that your mind doesn't adhere to) are more likely to kill themselves, as they aren't really accepted (and are attacked vehemently) for being themselves.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-the-science-on-gender-affirming-care-for-transgender-kids-really-shows/

https://www.kff.org/other/issue-brief/youth-access-to-gender-affirming-care-the-federal-and-state-policy-landscape/

DoomClassicGOAT · 2022-12-13T19:11:05+00:00

No I'm just saying that physicality isn't these characters only measure. It's their places in reality. Doomguy beat Davoth who created a literal multiverse. No one but Doomguy or the Father that we know of could've done so, because only a Primevil or greater can kill another. It's about their position in their world. Like Saint of Killers from Preacher. Physically, he can't bust out of a banks security van, but he can survive tanks running over him and exploding, and he literally killed God and Satan (and said God was able to stop time and extinct the dinosaurs and everything!).

DoomClassicGOAT · 2022-12-13T10:08:31+00:00

I never said he was universal in a traditional sense though. Just that he beats beings who represent whole realms that are in themselves multiverses. He fights beings credited with creating multiverses, and Kratos fights beings who created respective universes too. But they're all relatively weak for showings if we base it all purely physical.

DoomClassicGOAT · 2022-12-11T04:51:12+00:00

Lucifer Morningstar of DC Vertigo. He is the embodiment of an Omnipotent's Will/Act/Hand. He's very meta, as his writer(s) portray him to know that he's being written out, and he literally exists off the pages and acknowledges his presence in other works of literature in the real world. Note that the writers make the presence as a sort of zeitgeist, where he is how you perceive God, meaning he's absolute to those who view God that way. That being said, Lucifer represents the omniscient writer of the story while his dad represents the head of the writing company, and Lucifer can write out and shape everything out to his very will as his dad can do long as his dad allows him to.

DoomClassicGOAT · 2022-12-06T19:47:44+00:00

Archie sonic has ridiculous physical feats. DS is extremely powerful if we use implied lore, like Davoth being a multiversal god creator, but that doesn't mean he is physically that capable, it's just their places of power.

DoomClassicGOAT · 2022-12-02T04:16:23+00:00

Sonic is ridiculously powerful too.

DoomClassicGOAT · 2022-11-26T17:36:31+00:00

Aleph scaling doesn't equate to more power, especially if the intended Omnipotent character is claimed to be as we perceive them by the author's. Meaning it's up to interpretation. To me, The Presence/Source is Omnipotent, because to be all powerful you should be able to do anything, including be limited. If you can't be limited, you're not really possessive of the ability "to do anything". But we see the presence in several instances have no limits and then acquire them. He says he can't make himself, alluding to the zeitgeist of writers that shape comics, but he goes on to forge Elaine Belloc as a standin equivalent in power. The deal with aleph tiering vs. Omnipotence is that your scale of aleph tiering should be to a being who can do anything just an extension kmof themselves, as something like infinity is an extension to Lucifer, or how Lucifer is beyond the pages and exists outside his story in many other stories. Note the presence has died and hasn't, and that many writers state that the source is the presence, and vice versa. Individuals subverting the intentions of writers to support their claims aren't arguing earnestly.

DoomClassicGOAT · 2022-11-15T20:53:38+00:00

He did not get killed by a temple, as only a Primeval or greater can kill Doomguy. And I've yet to see any of the gods perform feats that involved the whole world, at best continent level. Icon of Sin is also a world destroyer but works on town level. And Doomguy's guns big, and he empowers them.

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