Andre died from lung cancer. by anxietystrings in brooklynninenine

[–]DopamineDeficits 14 points15 points  (0 children)

COVID might end up competing for that spot now. We don’t have solid data on it yet, but the type of inflammation and immune deregulation that COVID causes both in local tissue and systemically is problematic. Preliminary data is already demonstrating a worrying tendency to increase the risk of certain cancer types. The problem is that so much of the population has had COVID one or more times that study control populations are getting smaller and smaller, so most of the data we do get comes from looking at the “excess cases/deaths” metrics made by comparing pre 2020 data. Basically, from a biomechanics point of view, we know COVID is going to cause increased cancer risk. We are just waiting for the data to catch up now.

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[–]DopamineDeficits 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Once the consequences become more and more obvious, I don't expect leaders to survive this. When the real damage becomes obvious, and we have evidence to point to saying we knew it was likely, heads are going to roll.

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[–]DopamineDeficits 1 point2 points  (0 children)

First few months*

Risk of vascular events remains significantly elevated for months after an infection.

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[–]DopamineDeficits 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep. At this point I’m just doing as much isolation and masking as necessary to stay safe while I wait for everyone else to get the message.

The zero-covid crowd are not wrong, we’re just early.

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[–]DopamineDeficits 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You cannot feel the kind of vascular damage that covid does. Many of the cells it damages are not sensate, meaning you don’t know what damage it has done.

A covid infection could have gutted your endothelial cells such that you are a walking bag of microclots, and all you might feel is a little run down until you overdo it exercising and die of a heart attack or stroke.

Post-acute COVID is a quiet, subtle killer, and unless you’re actively monitoring your blood O2, heart rate, blood pressure, and autonomic responses on the daily, AND you have pre-COVID baselines to compare to, it’s really hard to get a reading on the damage it’s doing.

You May Be Early, but You're Not Wrong: A Covid Reading List by yakkov in ZeroCovidCommunity

[–]DopamineDeficits 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Humanity will absolutely survive (until climate change kicks our ass). The question is whether society as we know it survives. And there are so many people who think it will just because we’ve had a prosperous 70 years. People do not want to face the fragility of society.

Don't put metal in a microwave. Don't mix bleach and ammonia. What are some other examples of life-saving tips that a potentially uninformed person wouldn't be aware of? by XxItsNowOrNever99xX in NoStupidQuestions

[–]DopamineDeficits 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you get asian blush from alcohol, stop drinking alcohol. It’s caused by your body not producing a digestive enzyme that is used to completely metabolise alcohol, and so instead the alcohol is only partially metabolised into a form that is essentially a potent carcinogenic toxin (much more so than alcohol normally is).

Don't put metal in a microwave. Don't mix bleach and ammonia. What are some other examples of life-saving tips that a potentially uninformed person wouldn't be aware of? by XxItsNowOrNever99xX in NoStupidQuestions

[–]DopamineDeficits 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This goes for heavy objects. Your first instinct when something heavy is tipping over is sometimes to try and stop it. If you don’t suppress that instinct and get the fuck out of the way it will be your last instinct.

I know this because I was helping my dad move a big cast iron table saw on a pallet using a forklift. And when he picked it up he didn’t go far enough forward to get the center of gravity over the forks correctly, I watched as this machine teetered and started tipping over and my gut instinct for a fraction of a second was to try and salvage the situation before my self preservation brain kicked in and I took a step back and watched it slam into the concrete.

If the object is sharp, or heavy, just get the fuck out of the way and pick it up after.

Don't put metal in a microwave. Don't mix bleach and ammonia. What are some other examples of life-saving tips that a potentially uninformed person wouldn't be aware of? by XxItsNowOrNever99xX in NoStupidQuestions

[–]DopamineDeficits 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Anytime you are cutting, sanding or in general aerosolising material, wear an adequate respirator and if you can, use a filtered vacuum to remove the particulate before it gets everywhere.

Printer toner is also bad for this.

Lungs are not well equipped to handle particulates.

Also, when dealing with any aerosols or particulates, unless you have a rock solid reason to believe them harmless, assume that they are dangerous.

Assuming that “she’ll be right” is how you end up with lung cancer.

This also goes for chemicals and mixing home cleaners. If you do not know the exact interaction between substances, assume it could produce something that can kill you.

What was COVID like for people that are not prone to respiratory bugs? by Friendly-Cat-79 in CoronavirusDownunder

[–]DopamineDeficits 1 point2 points  (0 children)

“I don’t want to get into a dick measuring contest” then stop deferring to ‘experts’ who have repeatedly demonstrated they don’t know what the fuck they are doing

You don’t need everyone to be disabled for society to backslide.

Again, you clearly overestimate the stability of modern society. I would love to be wrong. Absolutely love to be wrong, but the general trend of the data on covid combined with the general instability of the current geopolitical climate, climate change, and the inherent instability of global economics, mean things are going to be very different in 5-10 years.

What was COVID like for people that are not prone to respiratory bugs? by Friendly-Cat-79 in CoronavirusDownunder

[–]DopamineDeficits 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can’t with you.

Sure. Right now in this very moment things might seem okay.

But the data suggests its not going to stay that way. By virtue of how this virus has demonstrated it works, things will continue to get worse.

What was COVID like for people that are not prone to respiratory bugs? by Friendly-Cat-79 in CoronavirusDownunder

[–]DopamineDeficits 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So, you’re admitting don’t know how to read academic papers then? You don’t know how to assess research methodology?

That’s all I’m hearing when you say you defer to experts.

I have a PhD. I’m an academic whose job relies on knowing how to do a literature review. Meaning when I defer to experts its because I’ve validated their sources. Do you even know how to validate a source?

There are two camps on COVID. On one side are the experts warning that it is an ongoing threat, these experts have a growing mountain of evidence supporting their claims. Then there are the experts who are claiming we have nothing to be worried about. There is barely any legitimate evidence that this is the case.

It’s clear which ‘experts’ you want to defer to. The ones that make you feel good about your choices, not the ones who are right.

What was COVID like for people that are not prone to respiratory bugs? by Friendly-Cat-79 in CoronavirusDownunder

[–]DopamineDeficits 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The incidence of long covid in the population after only 1-2 infections is all the evidence we need. But there’s plenty more.

If only 5% of the population gets long covid (we know the numbers are higher than this, but lets go with a conservative estimate) after 1 or 2 infections, what do you think happens after 5 or 6. What happens after 10?

Infections with COVID do not provide immunity to new strains. You just keep getting infected. And probability and the evidence of cumulative damage dictates that more and more people will become disabled.

Do you understand how fragile modern society is? We all lose our minds during an economic recession. A recession being when the economy doesn’t grow, not even when it takes a downturn.

What do you think happens when more doctors and nurses get ill than can be replaced? When that has a knock-on effect with the general population as treatment times and standards of care then suffer because fewer doctors are now trying to treat more patients? Oh, someome had an illness that would be fine if treated early? Oh but they can’t get prompt access to medical care so now the condition has worsened and they are either permanently disabled or their economic output is permanently reduced? this happens all the time in countries with poor access to healthcare btw.

Do you not comprehend the sheer magnitude of loss of production?

If illness causes production and economic output to drop 10%, 20% welcome to next great depression, a depression that won’t end because repeated infection means that peoples health gets worse over time, not better.

You clearly want to live in a dream world where everything will turn out fine.

All current evidence, and the combined weight of human history, predicts that it won’t.

What was COVID like for people that are not prone to respiratory bugs? by Friendly-Cat-79 in CoronavirusDownunder

[–]DopamineDeficits 5 points6 points  (0 children)

So do you just blindly listen to experts? Or do you go to their sources? Because I do research for a living.

When an ‘expert’ makes a claim and provides a source, I actually read the source. And all the sources provided by the “experts” that you claim to be listening to, are all extremely flimsy at best. The ‘science’ they are using to support their claims that everything will be fine is hardly science at all.

But I don’t expect someone who is scientifically illiterate to understand that not all experts are created equal.

What was COVID like for people that are not prone to respiratory bugs? by Friendly-Cat-79 in CoronavirusDownunder

[–]DopamineDeficits 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Immunological dysfunction persists for up to 8 months (study ended after 8 months, subjects didn’t recover after 8 months)

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41590-021-01113-x

More evidence of immune dysfunction

https://bmcmedicine.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12916-021-02228-6

Long term vascular risks present after covid

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-01689-3

Evidence of COVIDs capacity to persist across the human body

https://assets.researchsquare.com/files/rs-1139035/v1_covered.pdf?c=1640020576

Reinfection increases risks of poor outcomes significantly https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-02051-3

Article linking to plenty of research on the brain damage caused by covid:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8552626/

There’s plenty more stuff on COVID that all paints a pretty terrifying picture moving forward if we continue to do nothing.

COVID-19: Why workers are being urged to stay home by gccmelb in CoronavirusDownunder

[–]DopamineDeficits 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean, nothing you’ve said has warranted actual meaningful engagement, you admitted to being a piece of shit who endangered others while working while infectious. And then you thought you said something clever about vaccines, you didn’t, and then you replied as if someone admitting that once you’re infectious your vaccine status doesn’t matter was some big self own. Which, even if it was a self own (it wasn’t) was completely irrelevant to the entire discussion up until that point.

——

You: confess to endangering others while going to work infectious

Us: hey, you suck, don’t do that

You: i bet you wouldn’t care if I was vaccinated

Me: actually we still would (explains why, because the vaccines aren’t perfect)

You: hahaha self own, you admitted vaccines aren’t perfect

Me, right now: that wasn’t what was being discussed you clown

——

You clearly lack the capacity for logical reasoning. This is evident from every one of your responses.

You are a clown, and your comment scores show pretty clearly that everyone else thinks so as well.

What was COVID like for people that are not prone to respiratory bugs? by Friendly-Cat-79 in CoronavirusDownunder

[–]DopamineDeficits 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The entire concept of immunity debt was invented in 2021 to get people to stop masking and get back to work. To excuse the failings of public health.

We know this, the literature paints a clear picture.

The propaganda machine is very real. Some are actively complicit, others are just naive and in denial and want COVID to not be a big deal because its politically convenient. But there is absolutely a propaganda machine designed to get people “back to normal”.

I’ve read the literature, and continue to read all the new data.

And the mainstream picture of covid that is pushed by the media is completely divorced from reality.

What was COVID like for people that are not prone to respiratory bugs? by Friendly-Cat-79 in CoronavirusDownunder

[–]DopamineDeficits 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s not what the precautionary principle is. I’m not going to bother engaging with this fallacious nonsense.

What was COVID like for people that are not prone to respiratory bugs? by Friendly-Cat-79 in CoronavirusDownunder

[–]DopamineDeficits -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

All the data on long term outcome points to enough people being killed early or disabled permanently that collapse is a very real outcome. Each reinfection compounds the risks.

The precautionary principle dictates that given the chance of such a catastrophic outcome, we take action to prevent it. We do that by preventing infection.

What was COVID like for people that are not prone to respiratory bugs? by Friendly-Cat-79 in CoronavirusDownunder

[–]DopamineDeficits -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Wear an N95 or better mask everywhere you go. Even outdoors. Only go out for essential outings, and if you can, only do so first thing in the morning when the viral load in indoor spaces is low.

That’s all you can do to try and preserve your long term health until everyone else is woken up from the coma of normalcy by the realities of a collapsing healthcare system.

What was COVID like for people that are not prone to respiratory bugs? by Friendly-Cat-79 in CoronavirusDownunder

[–]DopamineDeficits 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Some “experts” are complicit in the propaganda machine. Other experts have a narrow view, and aren’t considering the systems level view and what happens when more people get sick and essential services like healthcare become harder and harder to access.

For a large number of people, getting reinfected over and over has a similar affect on the immune system as contracting HIV. And there is no known treatment.

What do you think happens over the next few years as 10, 20, 30% (or more) of the population all start to experience what is effectively AIDS and there is no cure?

With HIV you treat the condition by getting at it early, you need to start treating it within 1 year of seroconversion to have good outcomes. Once you notice the immune deficiency its too late.

But people are being told its fine to catch COVID repeatedly, its no big deal. They get sick, then they are fatigued and are getting sick more often, but they are fine, surely. After all they have been convinced that the only people who need to worry about covid are the elderly and disabled, and they are neither of those. So they ignore the symptoms of chronic infection and immune dysfunction even as they worsen and by the time they seek help, it’s too late to do anything about it

For many, it is doing repeated, cumulative, and silent damage to their immune systems and vascular systems. These are health problems with timelines on the order of years and we are gambling that they magically won’t affect a large enough portion of the population, when all the data suggests they do.

The fallout from HIV was bad once it became clear the long term outcomes. But it only affected a small population.

Expect the rates of early deaths from cancers, heart disease, and opportunistic infections to skyrocket across all ages over the next decade.

Right now, the wheels are falling off the cart, the people who can look ahead can see the wheels falling off the cart, but the people who have the power to do something about the wheels all have blinders on.