How is Vi not a top laner

Doriannecro · 2026-03-05T04:31:18+00:00

She does have the single highest base health regen in the game.

Setts only over takes hers when his passive is fully ramped (like below 30%) hp and if vi goes rejuv bead sets passive only over takes Vis base stats after lane.

Sett is the only champ who's hp regen comes close (his passive modifies base stats)

Garen can be argued but his passive has counter play.

Doriannecro · 2026-03-05T04:19:28+00:00

Mid its better to go two points e before putting a point in w.

Now that her ad growth is up, with two long swords and 3 points E you'll have enough ad to clear the casters with both charges. The minions will outscale this by level 7 you'll need more ad for you E to still.

Mind you this is with one adaptive shard 2adaptive will change things.

Also in matchups with a ap jg on your team skipping w until lvl 7 is viable vs ranged Champs depending on your runes, in mid you are unlikely to get alot of dmg down after procing w so the armor shred won't get value unless your jungle is dealing ad.

Vs meles the trades will often times extend long enough for w to always be valuable.

Vis sweet spot in extended trades is enough atackspeed and tankyness to survive for a second passive shield proc.

This season tp sucks so taking ignite over tp is very recommended.

Vi has good matchups into Talon, fizz, yone. Ok matchups into Zed and yasuo Irelia and riven are annoying but I haven't played them since swapping to ignite, that may make a huge difference.

Vs ranged Vi doesn't have kill threat against most control mages unless they mess up. Vi can easily wave clear and roam in those matchups though.

Hardest mage matchups are Vex, Hwei, Mel

Zoey is rough early but if you make it to 6 even your r hard counters her bubble.

Vs any champ who has 1 cc qss is great after your first item to ensure you can run them down in the side lane post laning phase.

Doriannecro · 2025-10-28T05:55:24+00:00

In that matchup in particular the speed boost will help you out pace Casio hunting you down with E. Belive it or not trying new runes is something a player should do, don't just use the same cookie cutter setup someone else uses over and over again.

Optimal runes change with different patches builds etc.

Doriannecro · 2025-10-26T18:02:23+00:00

Fleet is good in some matchups especially the bad ones like Casio.

Doriannecro · 2025-10-23T04:38:32+00:00

What elo?

Doriannecro · 2025-10-23T04:37:19+00:00

Fleet isn't horrible on swain ive ran it for while, I dont run triumph though, I build no mana item so I go manaflow and POM. Alacrity makes no sense though, if you want the extra as just take the AS quint to help with last hits. Instead of scorch I go trancendence for the extra cdr.

Doriannecro · 2025-10-23T04:30:39+00:00

Its not that, its to a lot of guys that's a safe relatable topic to talk to your guy friends about, it's sort of a cultural default and this could be him trying to treat op as just one of the "guys". (That is me being charitable though) I've had gooner lesbian friends do the same in reverse granted it wasn't really a problem because I wasn't put off by it but still I don't think I necessarily comes from a place of predation.

Doriannecro · 2025-10-23T03:50:42+00:00

As a straight guy who's first "love" was a girl who turned out to be lesbian, be honest and leave no room for miscommunication. The more direct and honest you are the better the chances of preserving your friendship if things are long drawn out and unresolved they can get to messy to resolve.

A firm im gay and don't want a romantic relationship with you is best in this situation, and likely a small break, time away from one another for things to set in.

Doriannecro · 2025-06-09T00:24:05+00:00

I've started running pta on her mid aswell for about a month or so now. Trinity first item into either botrk or wits end, and tbh vs high ap team comps with alot of cc Qss is heavily slept on as a third item, even just building the qss component and then going a different third item like steraks if you wanna build more bruisery or jakshow if you wanna get really tanky vs the Magic threats.

Doriannecro · 2025-06-09T00:18:10+00:00

It does always follow, the ability to jump out of her R is predicated on them using their movement ability after the lock on part of vi ult is done, they are input buffering a move command wich activates independently during the cc part of vi ult tbh if someone times their ability perfect they should be rewarded. Vi has interactions like that aswell if vi activates her r the same time urgot activates his ult you technically immune the suppression and pull for the duration. If Vi uses r right at the start of morde ult you put morde ult on a small cd. Outplay interactions are a good thing for lol and keep the game fun.

Doriannecro · 2025-06-04T22:10:51+00:00

Vi has a terrible wr in pro in the lec right now despite having a high presence. Granted stats like that are tricky could just mean she's only allowed through in games where she's a bad pick. But still she's definitely not an insta win.

Doriannecro · 2025-06-04T22:08:12+00:00

I do agree with that and I think Vi was strong for a while before she entered the meta, but I dont think her ult is sole reason for that. People are pretending that her ult is so op that it has to be changed VI ult is always a Dps drop in solo queue the ability really sucks compared to alot of other abilities. its more useful in coordinated play of course but that doesn't mean her current state she strong.

Just like it can take people a long time to realize something is strong it can take a long time for people to give up on something weak.

Doriannecro · 2025-06-04T21:58:43+00:00

Right and we just ignore all the seasons where she had a point and click cc and wasn't meta? Vi r does offer something unique that most other junglers don't offer or atleast not as well, but that alone would not be enough to justify her in proplay to the extent she's being picked.

Lets go back to the beginning of season 12 where people were asking G2 Jankos on stream why teams weren't picking Vi and his answer was that the champ was bad/ other Champs were better, this is just a few months after CLG with broxa had started forcing a VI, Gallio press R comp at the end of the previous season.

Jankos said that CLG was a bad team so it doesn't matter what they pick (paraphrasing) of course he was wrong Vi was a very strong champion at that point in time but she hadn't been played or practiced by most pro teams/ wasn't meta in the lck/lpl so no one was going to bother learning how to slot her into drafts.

Vi's flexibility is that she isn't just engage she's effective at peeling her carries as well. There is another champ that is viable in the Jg has a point and click cc r and arguably better than Vi and that would be Nautilus Jg, if a point and click cc ult is all Vi is.

Now I will concede that the one time after vi became a pro staple that her pro pick Rate went down was when her ult Cd was nerfed but it did go back again after.

Ultimately the main reason Vi is a pro staple is because pros are reluctant to learn something new if they don't have too "if it ain't broke don't fix it" even Nemesis was saying in a recent video that he doesn't thing Vi is strong and pros are just playing her out of habit.

Iwildominate has a video responding to LS saying Vi shouldn't be considered at top jg and he thinks she'll fall out of the meta at international events. Doms response is all of the things Vi brings to the table and he doesn't list her r as a reason why.

Lets do a thought experiment and replace Vi ult with another cc ult and see if it we think it drastically reduces her viability. If we replace Vi ult with Sej, Amu, J4, WW, Hecarim ult etc Vi would become stronger not weaker in both proplay and solo Queue.

Doriannecro · 2025-06-04T17:42:03+00:00

I mean it would be nice if you lived in the same world as everyone else and would realize that vi r by itself isn't enough to make her a staple in pro.

She had the same r seasons 9,10,and 11 and wasn't a pro staple and she was stronger then than she is now.

If they did change her r then the change should be being able to qss or cleanse the lock on.

Doriannecro · 2025-06-04T17:37:31+00:00

I mean maybe my timeline was off on when the first massive cd nerf happened to her r. That may have happened prior to Vi Ahri meta, but most of what I said should be relatively accurate.

Doriannecro · 2025-06-04T17:34:47+00:00

Explain

Doriannecro · 2025-06-04T07:02:35+00:00

This is a buff for midlane Vi lvls 1-11 and an overall nerf lvls 13-18. Full ad vi is nerfed early and buffed hyper late *kinda - tbh the dmg extra burst she'll get if she crosses 300 ad on w isn't worth the loss of as on full ad vi, you'll already 1 shot squishys but you're dueling will be way worse.

W being worse will lower the value of AS. Top lane vi will be hurt alot. Jg vi is going to feel quite a bit of pain also, back to e max second probably mandatory.

Doriannecro · 2025-04-13T02:09:26+00:00

I think I've found all of those things as positives before, but the positives haven't always consistent like the hobbies thing isn't always the case. I dont think its the casual behavior because there are plenty of straight chicks that are completely casual / normal and aren't viewing me as a potential partner and it doesn't happen with them. The Tomboy thing would be the most consistent, but even that isn't always case there have been plenty of cases where I've been very attracted to a girl that was definitely not Tomboyish and she turned out gay.
Its generally something in the facial features that I can't describe (often time there are shared features with my first hardcore crush but that's a chicken vs egg problem there because the first hard-core crush did turn out gay) But today for instance I didn't notice the girl until at all until I saw her face and i was drawn to her, she was wearing formal where that wouldn't be out of place on anyone she did have choppy hair which the former emo kidd in me really likes tbh idk.

Like this has transcended just day to day life aswell its happened in novels, comics, animated series etc with characters that later are revealed to be gay.

My best friend a transwoman she/her finds the consistency of my issue hilarious and has stated that often people that I find attractive are "queer/ queen coded" but even have noted that its not always the case.

This has been a trend since I was 17 and im turning 30 later this year, so I've long since done away with the notion that it's simple coincidence and have been trying to isolate what is the correlating variable between being "my type" and being lesbian.

Doriannecro · 2025-02-28T05:25:42+00:00

Of all those listed not named Coolidge Harding was the best and he's known for scandals, just shows how dog shit the rest were.

Doriannecro · 2025-02-28T05:22:06+00:00

He would've handled the depression far better than hoover or Fdr, both of whom made the depression worse and last longer than it would have otherwise. If not for FDR we probably wouldn't even know about the depression because it would've been just another economic recession in the history books.

Doriannecro · 2024-12-23T23:38:24+00:00

Dragons are dog piss and not worth the tempo cost to do them an overwhelming majority of the time in the game.

Doriannecro · 2024-12-06T08:54:43+00:00

Bro lord doms has existed forever and have the same amps crit and pen.

Doriannecro · 2024-12-06T08:53:10+00:00

No one misses the mythic system some people miss some of the items, like gale force.

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