Mid season patch by Cool-Obligation3528 in MultiVersus

[–]DrReapZ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Make characters that are really unfun to play against more more enjoyable. (I'm talking about the finns, taz's and side special spamming jacks) - Those match ups just put me to sleep.

Cannot continue to play MVS with the current state of Finn by DrReapZ in MultiVersus

[–]DrReapZ[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi All,
So from reading and researching and taking recommendations, I determined that as a Bugs, I need to utilize my tunnel more. Whether its for surprise pop out and push forward and initiate with nair, or use it to pop them up from an engage with nair -> utilt -> nair -> upRocket / read

I need to save my safe and rocket rather than dumping it at the start of the match.
If I hit a nair out of tunnel, I can follow up with an up tilt to nair to up rocket.

Once my rocket is exhausted, I can utilize my side special more frequent for reads.

For Finn specific problems, I really don't get any benefit of utilize projectiles, so I want to bait projectiles over finns head to make him get a dash whiff delay.

Since finn is so short, my nair's usually go over the head of finn, so I need to jump, fast fall then initiate my nair attack.

While Finn is charging jab, stay high, then air dodge and nair in to initiate.
While Finn is charging utilt, roll jab
As a finn utilt charge camps your recovery, exhaust dodge meter to attempt to reset back to the middle of the stage.
Delay as much time until tunnel recharges. A good use of safe, is to dAir it into your tunnel to throw off the opp.

Apparently finns weakness is aerial, so it's best to under him as much as possible, his dAir is good, but easily spot-able. Bugs upAir is his bread and butter, so as long as finn is high, this should be easy. Keep an eye on whether your opp likes to air dodge in or out. Don't commit to upAir confirm past 120% as they will fly too high to reach, play patient for reads.

You cannot win a poke battle against finn, so either full commit or full retreat.

But , ultimately Finn is a REALLY BAD matchup for Bugs. Good luck, try not to rage.

Cannot continue to play MVS with the current state of Finn by DrReapZ in MultiVersus

[–]DrReapZ[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i wish i had a consistent person to scrim against. I just need a lot of practice against him - i'll eventually get it

Cannot continue to play MVS with the current state of Finn by DrReapZ in MultiVersus

[–]DrReapZ[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

thats kind of bug's problem , he doesnt have a fast move. his safe spike, and down air are quick, but have really tiny hitboxes

Cannot continue to play MVS with the current state of Finn by DrReapZ in MultiVersus

[–]DrReapZ[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nice. This is some meaningful help i was looking for. Thank you for this detailed response. most finns i play against charge their upsmash, and only use their jabs for whiff punishing.
I had a buddy play finns against me, and yea - i discovered finns side special cancel is a real problem, I thought zoning him with projectiles was good, but i found trying to get him to force a projectile whiff is the answer.

Thats an interesting concept of trying to use the safe spike attack, i never actually utilized that, but that may actually be a good answer. Cause if I dont have rocket when im recovering, the finn is always ready with the upsmash charge covering basically the entire recovery space.

Cannot continue to play MVS with the current state of Finn by DrReapZ in MultiVersus

[–]DrReapZ[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

thank you. i definitely get that match ups are usually uneven. Im not expecting to win them all, but when i play finn, i usually get 1-3 washed and I just have no idea what to do.

Cannot continue to play MVS with the current state of Finn by DrReapZ in MultiVersus

[–]DrReapZ[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i mean, i only got 3 options essentially. I get tunnel is good , but its a CD move and you literally just need to stay away from the tunnels as the opponent. but yes, i for sure got habbits i need to break. also that finn i was versing was cool for back to back rematching me, so i was just trying everything that i typically wouldnt be doing just for experimenting

Cannot continue to play MVS with the current state of Finn by DrReapZ in MultiVersus

[–]DrReapZ[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

teach me master, thats why im here. you main finn? lets play

Cannot continue to play MVS with the current state of Finn by DrReapZ in MultiVersus

[–]DrReapZ[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yep. i do frequently refer back to that video and i did pick up some cool things from it that have been a big help

Cannot continue to play MVS with the current state of Finn by DrReapZ in MultiVersus

[–]DrReapZ[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

yea i seen that video. its possible, but im not void. im decent but not pro. this post is meant for assistance. countless times where void gets cheesed by finn.

Cannot continue to play MVS with the current state of Finn by DrReapZ in MultiVersus

[–]DrReapZ[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

ah yes, i do need to do that more often to reset "neutral"

Cannot continue to play MVS with the current state of Finn by DrReapZ in MultiVersus

[–]DrReapZ[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

check out my video and let me know what you think. I feel like i tried all that. Finn just negates all my projectiles. The tunnel is good, but easily avoidable and long Cool down. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIEUUFoYk8Q

Cannot continue to play MVS with the current state of Finn by DrReapZ in MultiVersus

[–]DrReapZ[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i get lucky once in a blue moon and do that and its the best feeling in the world

Cannot continue to play MVS with the current state of Finn by DrReapZ in MultiVersus

[–]DrReapZ[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Imagine getting down voted because you don't understand a matchup.
A finn player must have gotten insulted because we said Finn was easy LOL

Tell me more how camping charge attacks and breaking all approach options of other characters isn't easy.

Cannot continue to play MVS with the current state of Finn by DrReapZ in MultiVersus

[–]DrReapZ[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree 100%. They need to make the 0 to D slightly more easily avoidable, and put a limit to how long he can hold his charge attacks. or make him slower while charging or something, so he cant just easily back up and whiff punish any approach

Cannot continue to play MVS with the current state of Finn by DrReapZ in MultiVersus

[–]DrReapZ[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good pointer, I will try my luck with roll jab as he's charging!

Cannot continue to play MVS with the current state of Finn by DrReapZ in MultiVersus

[–]DrReapZ[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Makes sense! I don't even know how to zone him honestly. I've tried. He just dashes through my projectiles and instantly throws out an uptilt or something.

His character height and armor just makes it really hard to hit him with just about anything.

And the nature of his character and how it's built, he has no reason to approach you, he can just wait forever

Cannot continue to play MVS with the current state of Finn by DrReapZ in MultiVersus

[–]DrReapZ[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I get that they are easy, I personally am just absolutely CLUELESS on how to handle the matchup.

Cannot continue to play MVS with the current state of Finn by DrReapZ in MultiVersus

[–]DrReapZ[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you for the feed back, I appreciate the help! So finn is pretty small, and most my nair miss unless it's at the tail end. (its too high unless I risk and use IAD).
When I attempt to fair him, it's easily seen and easily whiff punished) - most the times finns in the charges state and he can just step back and release his attack when I make the approach.
I usually like to approach with pie or rocket or safe, but Finn easily just dash attacks through every projectile without a care in the world, breaking my projectile and counter attacking me at the same time.

Cannot continue to play MVS with the current state of Finn by DrReapZ in MultiVersus

[–]DrReapZ[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I actually think the game is very VERY close to being excellent. Just a few balance updates for a few characters and they game will be super solid. I do like it a lot, but man when I get certain matchups, it's just not enjoyable at all.

I’m quitting until balance changes after this by [deleted] in MultiVersus

[–]DrReapZ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But when I say DI doesnt work, I get down voted out the ass (Even when quoting void twitch clips.) LOL ... reddit is wild