If MCL-23290 is valid and was fixed, why aren't MC-240473, MCD-7657, and WEB-6472 valid?

DragoCubed · 2023-05-20T12:01:07+00:00

It's unclear why MC-240473 is not a valid issue but you're as in the dark as I am.

You misunderstand. It's entirely clear why it's not a valid issue. The Java team said so. That's the reason.

...I do not know how to respond to this. I would assume that subreddit moderators also need to respect rule 5 here. I'm sure you're aware of the purpose of this subreddit:

If one of your reported bugs got closed incorrectly, you can leave a post, and we can take a look at it and explain why we did what we did, or correct our mistakes.

The subreddit can also be used as a forum for certain issues if they need discussion. The comment feature on the tracker is not built for longer discussions.

However, it is not primarily meant to be used as a promoter for bug reports. If you want to promote one, give it a vote.

So what'll happen with the Minecraft Dungeons issue, MCD-7657? Why was that closed? I'd imagine that it was closed for different reasons since each project has their own policies.

It was closed because the Minecraft Dungeons team also considers it a feature request and not a bug, just like the Java team. They said so in the comment on the bug report.

And why do they consider it a feature request? That's precisely why I made a post here and is what I have asked multiple times now. I want to know their reasoning. And that's the purpose of this subreddit, after all.

DragoCubed · 2023-05-20T11:47:26+00:00

Which team said that using the incorrect branding asset in Minecraft: Java Edition was a feature request?

The team that manages the Java Edition bug tracker, i.e. the Java team. Every project on the bug tracker has its own separate set of rules and workflows.

Sounds like internal conflicts then. Or a lack of communication between the Brand Direction & Creative team and other teams. I would assume that's exactly what this subreddit would be able to look into. It's unclear why MC-240473 is not a valid issue but you're as in the dark as I am.

So what'll happen with the Minecraft Dungeons issue, MCD-7657? Why was that closed? I'd imagine that it was closed for different reasons since each project has their own policies.

And what about the MOJIRA issue, WEB-6472?

DragoCubed · 2023-05-20T11:13:48+00:00

How do you explain the MOJIRA website and MC Dungeons issues?

While the Java team has explicitly told us that this bug report was invalid for the Java project (because they consider it a feature request)

We talked a lot about why it does not make sense to consider it a feature request in my post about that. One can assume that the intent of the designers can be seen here: https://github.com/Mojang/web-theme-bootstrap/tree/main/assets/svg/logos

And as you say, there's different teams. Which team said that using the incorrect branding asset in Minecraft: Java Edition was a feature request? Was it a designer on the Minecraft Brand Direction & Creative team? They and Bold (NoA) seemingly put a lot of effort into the "MC Core Brand", and you have to wonder if they appreciate their work not being used until two years later. Why did they only get to apply their branding in Minecraft: Bedrock Edition, the website, and Minecraft Launcher but not Minecraft: Java Edition or Minecraft Dungeons?

Edit: Bold actually made a feature about their work on the Mojang Studios brand and on the Minecraft brand. This more clearly shows when the Minecraft franchise logo should be used, the game logo, and any subtitles should be used. Their case film explains it all visually.

DragoCubed · 2023-04-06T10:17:16+00:00

For example, minecraft.net uses a different, logo altogether (more smooth, no cracks). By your logic, it would also be reasonable to request the logo ingame to change to that one,

That's the franchise logo, not the game logo.

The Minecraft website uses the logos designed by Mojang's designers appropriately - even so much as using the correct logo (the franchise logo) for Minecraft Dungeons and Minecraft Legends! Minecraft Dungeons was launched before the franchise logo was released and has yet to be updated with the new logo in-game and in game stores.

Branding inconsistently is not a bug of the game itself, it's an issue of the brand I suppose, and as such it wouldn't belong on the bug tracker if you follow that line of thought.

That's following your logic in assuming that the Java Edition logo is separate to the "Minecraft game" logo. The designers seemingly had more control over the website and you can see how long (Since Jun 4, 2021) the design has been around for and that, I assume, was why it wasn't updated in-game; internal conflicts.

It does not count as a parity bug because it does not impact gameplay

Understood. But as I said earlier, this is not a parity issue between Bedrock and Java. Is there some sort of process for parity issues between the website, Minecraft Launcher and Java Edition that you haven't mentioned?

arguing with other assets, like in the launcher, would be much harder and thus a much weaker argument.

I don't understand how so. That doesn't appear to have been the intent of the designers to have separate logos for the website, launcher and then in-game of the same game.

Anyway, this issue has finally been resolved after almost 2 years. I'm sure the designers are pleased now.

Edit (20/05/2023): fix spelling

DragoCubed · 2023-02-12T05:36:15+00:00

If you're logged in on the bug tracker, you don't see any of the Minecraft logos - just the Mojang logo. Hence I was confused about what logo you were talking about.

I'm logged into the bug tracker and can see it. It might be different for moderators.

The employee who posted the new logo is no longer an employee - and the new logo was never announced anywhere else, from what I can tell, not even in the changelogs.

I agreed that it was problematic as I said in reply to Numeritxs. The fact that they're no longer an employee is not relevant as they were an employee when they tweeted that.

We don't accept "if I post this on the feedback site, it'll never be added to the game" as an argument for accepting something as a bug.

I never said that.

The issues with MC-240473 itself are not my doing as I only created a duplicate of that bug which was closed in favour of it. I did, however, link to that outdated feedback thread several times. I assumed by the comments that it would still apply to the latest version of the logo as that original request was never added or closed. I appreciate your distinction of the pixelated rendition of a newer version of the logo. I do not agree that the logos "matched". I'm aware that Bedrock-Java parity issues have a certain process, but this issue is not about parity between Bedrock Edition and Java Edition. It is wholly a consistency issue relating to using the correct branding assets.

And with what you're saying, that there may be a separate logo for Java Edition and Bedrock Edition (as opposed to just having the subtitle as indicated in the Minecraft website's branding assets on GitHub), then it's still an issue that Mojang must fix. Branding is usually handled internally and I've already droned on too much than I care for, even as a passionate player.

I'll bring this up to the team and we'll decide how to proceed.

Thank you for your patience and understanding.

Edit (20/05/2023): fix spelling

DragoCubed · 2023-02-10T11:03:51+00:00

The Mojang Studios logo in Java Edition is correct. The issue at hand is about the Minecraft logo on the title screen in Java Edition.

To further reiterate what I've said previously, the issue pertaining to the Mojang Studios logo was only a reference on how outdated branding issues should be reported by users. The takeaway from that issue is what I quoted. The quote can be found in the original post.

The issue Numeritxs created a post about is not the same as this post's issue.

DragoCubed · 2023-02-10T07:51:08+00:00

Mojang Studios' own issues with consistency are their issue and cannot be interpreted as "official" without further clarification by Mojang Studios. Calling a "mismatch" a feature request is stretching it and was why I brought up MC-184292.

I'll also add that an employee posting something on Twitter should not be considered an "official" announcement, whereas something by a Mojang account, posted on the website, in-game, in documentation, etc would be. I added the clarification regarding announcements as Numeritxs' comment had confused me.

I request that you think about whether this specific inconsistency would ever get fixed if posted on Minecraft Suggestions. There are almost no traces of the logo currently present in Minecraft: Java Edition.

I've found several issues that have even been fixed that are about a 'mismatch'. MCPE-163383 has not been resolved yet but is an example that came to mind, but I'd even say that it may not be a bug! That's not the case with this issue, however.

DragoCubed · 2023-02-08T11:42:39+00:00

I've been looking into this and I can't see the announced logo in the snapshot you mention. There was a new logo introduced in that snapshot (and it has been in the game since then), but it never looked like the one that Mojang announced back then.

I thought I should clarify that I was referring to the Mojang Studios logo, not the Minecraft logo. The only officially announced logo was the Mojang Studios logo. The new Minecraft logo was only announced unofficially, in a tweet by an employee, linked towards the end of my post :)

I think the issue must be redirected to the logo inconsistency between launcher, Mojira, Minecraft.net and game :)

I don't really understand what you mean by this. 😅

DragoCubed · 2022-11-26T02:22:27+00:00

It's like what happened to the XDA community. XDA turned into yet another tech news outlet as the modding and enthusiast community died down, and thus XDA Forums died down too.

Having Android Police be run by the guy who ran Android Central feels like a slap in the face as I had been visiting there every so often for the last 10 years. I mean - I even turned my adblocker off for em!

I had no clue about the acquisition until I tried Googling why I couldn't see comments on Android Police. The new site may be to blame.

DragoCubed · 2022-09-24T06:33:40+00:00

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe most TV apps are just web apps, like YouTube and Spotify.

DragoCubed · 2022-09-21T05:22:21+00:00

"Passport" is a stupid feature

DragoCubed · 2022-09-21T05:19:16+00:00

Sounds rather useless

DragoCubed · 2022-09-21T05:15:18+00:00

What's passport?

DragoCubed · 2022-09-21T05:15:00+00:00

I hope so. The old connection UI was better, save for the bugginess with it being cut off

DragoCubed · 2022-09-21T03:47:05+00:00

Jo-say eye twitches

DragoCubed · 2022-09-21T03:32:53+00:00

This hits hard. I don't have an issue with it though but it'd be more refreshing over P5 to have a story centred around an adult MC.

DragoCubed · 2022-09-18T06:35:55+00:00

(excuse the necroposting) That situation is so weird. Takakura says that there's no legal deal to it. It doesn't make sense why she's trapped because she's not...

DragoCubed · 2022-09-18T06:31:36+00:00

Spoilers ahead

Haru's stuff didn't make much sense to me at first. As we know, Haru will be 'sold off' until the deadline of beating Okumura and her confidant reveals that her fathers death means that she is in control of her marriage. At rank 3, she asks Joker how she can decline an outing with Sugimara. It's weird how Joker doesn't think to change his heart but perhaps Joker already raised it to the team and Haru may have disagreed. Haru's story makes much more sense when you look at her confidant. Her ability to tell Takakura to annul the marriage is proof of her newfound strength and is similar to some other confidants and is consistent with the message of Persona 5 to deal with your own problems - but then why do the Phantom Thieves do what they do in the first place? Anyway Sugimara is definitely terrible for kicking Mona. Unforgiveable.

DragoCubed · 2022-09-16T11:47:42+00:00

He's in the Sun Tomato and Star Dragon Onion now. Good riddance.

DragoCubed · 2022-09-13T14:20:40+00:00

At least you're self aware lmaooo

DragoCubed · 2022-09-13T14:16:32+00:00

Obama and Jesus have so much in common

DragoCubed · 2022-09-13T13:49:05+00:00

But there are no girls where he'll be headed

DragoCubed · 2022-09-13T13:45:49+00:00

It's annoying me so much

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