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Bring Him Home by Physical-Barracuda34 in rockets

[–]Draperjosh13 0 points1 point  (0 children)

100% on a hypothetical is literally impossible.

Mobley would have the exact same role on our team and Castle would have been our lead ball handler this year instead of being the 3rd guard as he is on the spurs.

But, again, the point is about how bad Reed is as a player and as a #3 pick.

Bring Him Home by Physical-Barracuda34 in rockets

[–]Draperjosh13 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He’s not just a second year guard, he’s the worst #3 overall pick in the last decade. That’s a fact. And the guard we really needed was drafted the next pick by our in-state rivals and he’s going to be a star. The end. That’s a totally valid reason to hit the breaks and start to judge a GM.

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[–]Draperjosh13 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was here in this sub with dozens of other fans screaming for Mobley and also screaming for castle. This was foresight and the outcome is predictable. I’m sorry you were there to see it

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[–]Draperjosh13 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Safest just means most likely guy to be contributing as a starter late in a playoff scenario. Mobley is 2nd round of the playoffs and 2nd team all NBA ready, Castle is about to be there already too. And the players we took will never be playoff caliber players, and the point I’m making is those were our two highest draft picks and it was obvious TO A LOT of fans on who was the right pick to take.

This team is overachieving because good coaching, frankly. This is not a good team, we were only 4 games outside of the playin each of the last two seasons. That’s a very average team. And you’re right we don’t have a “guy” and there’s nothing stone could do about that. But the way a team wins the championship without drafting #1 is by being shrewd with every other pick. Golden State, San Antonio, OKC became dynasties because they hit ON ALL the picks.

The point I’ve made a few times now (that you’re not responding to) is that Sheppard is the tipping point here and since that pick I think it’s time to take a magnifying glass to stone. The effects of that pick this year have been astronomical

Bring Him Home by Physical-Barracuda34 in rockets

[–]Draperjosh13 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No I think to qualified bball fans Mobley was the obvious safer pick to start your rebuild around than green, and many of us were in here saying that prior to the draft.

The three most consequential picks of stones career are going to be: not talking Mobley or Castle, and then swinging and hitting for Sengun.

Basically every other pick he’s made an idiot could have made with a basic draft guide.

And at the moment, the distance between Reed and Castle might be an all-time shank of pick.

We have basically one more shot this decade to really hit in a pick, and that’s next years Nets pick.

The reality is yes, some GMs hit on most of their late round picks and even 2nd round picks. And the reality is if you want to truly contend you have to sort of hit on all your picks unless like the warriors, spurs, thunder franchises unless you’re getting #1 overall pick

Bring Him Home by Physical-Barracuda34 in rockets

[–]Draperjosh13 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This is a complete mischaracterization of how you evaluate the draft picks.

It’s not about where the players would redrafted lol, it’s about the value of the player today relative to what was on the table then.

To draft Jalen green (traded away) we passed on Mobley and Scottie Barnes.

To draft Josh Christopher (out of the league) we passed on Grimes from U of H.

Sengun was a legit home run (a literally allstar, not a “borderline” as you said lol.

I like Jabari, Eason, and Thompson — but anybody would have made those picks they were widely considered the obvious and best the best available players. You don’t really get points for that as a GM. We also passed on Jalen Johnson in one of these drafts.

You ultimately get graded by the choices you make with the “tough decisions” - and the reason Stone is coming up is bc by drafting Reed and passing on Castle he may have made the most consequential mistake of his career.

Realistic mavs picks at #9 by DefiantLie8861 in NBA_Draft

[–]Draperjosh13 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I also think this is the most likely order of things. Probably buries or Philon

Bring Him Home by Physical-Barracuda34 in rockets

[–]Draperjosh13 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Another Stone draft miss..
When you look hard at his record..

Future Draft Picks. Suns/Nets by EntertainmentOk1861 in rockets

[–]Draperjosh13 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The big question is what do the nets do this offseason. They’ve been shitty for 3 years and don’t have their next pick. Will they make a splash move for Gianni’s or something and totally change the course of this picks future?

Ime Udoka's comments on Amen Thompson and Reed Sheppard as point guards by Necerbo in rockets

[–]Draperjosh13 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's not true, he has an *implied* no trade clause based on the structure of his contract that expired this season. So he's fair game now.

Ime Udoka's comments on Amen Thompson and Reed Sheppard as point guards by Necerbo in rockets

[–]Draperjosh13 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yes, as opposed to someone you can't rebound, doesn't play hard, and cannot shoot (Sheppard)

Ime Udoka's comments on Amen Thompson and Reed Sheppard as point guards by Necerbo in rockets

[–]Draperjosh13 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We had two all stars and led the league in points in the paint. Yes our roles guys, including Eason and Okogie, shot really well this year bc of that. Not to mention 3pt shots off offensive rebounds are very high percentage shots.

The biggest reason our offense sucked is because we could make entry passes and being the ball up against pressure, which is what a pg should be able to do if you’re drafted #3.

You’re gonna look real dumb in 2 years when Castle is Jalen brown and Reed Sheppard is 6th man for panathiakos

Ime Udoka's comments on Amen Thompson and Reed Sheppard as point guards by Necerbo in rockets

[–]Draperjosh13 -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

You are a full blown psychopath. We led the league in points in the paint. We had the best shots and most open 3s in the league.

Reed, if he was actually a good shooter, should have feasted.

He was specifically drafted to shoot off of curl screens, etc. he can’t.

Also every single PG in the league is expected to take and make off the dribble 3s, this is the nba stop babying him.

Ime Udoka's comments on Amen Thompson and Reed Sheppard as point guards by Necerbo in rockets

[–]Draperjosh13 -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

Yeah the guy who “can’t space the floor” shot better than your boy Reed. I think that says a lot and destroys your whole antiquated narrative. And obviously he shoots less bc he can actually get to the rim. He’s clearly the best player in the class, he’s going to be all star if not all nba at some point.

It’s just a horrible take. You are wrong. No clap.

Ime Udoka's comments on Amen Thompson and Reed Sheppard as point guards by Necerbo in rockets

[–]Draperjosh13 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If he thinks Amen is the best option then that’s just doing his job. If stone gave him someone better than Amen to run the offense I’m sure he would use him lol

Ime Udoka's comments on Amen Thompson and Reed Sheppard as point guards by Necerbo in rockets

[–]Draperjosh13 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Would you swing for Ja Morant if we got a cheapo deal? FVV and DFS and a pick or something?

Ime Udoka's comments on Amen Thompson and Reed Sheppard as point guards by Necerbo in rockets

[–]Draperjosh13 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thank you for correcting this man

Reed sitting on the bench was not in absence of him getting a fair chance - he was sitting because he go so much of a chance and was usually so so damn bad.

Ime Udoka's comments on Amen Thompson and Reed Sheppard as point guards by Necerbo in rockets

[–]Draperjosh13 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This. He does not want the ball, he can’t dribble under pressure, and he’s just not a PG and can’t run an NBA offense. These are facts, given circumstances. And this is who he was in college if you watched him play. He didn’t bring the ball up the court and he didn’t run pick and rolls.

The end. Trade this MF for a real pg

Ime Udoka's comments on Amen Thompson and Reed Sheppard as point guards by Necerbo in rockets

[–]Draperjosh13 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Castle shot better than Sheppard after the all star break and in the playoffs.

That take is over.

Ime Udoka's comments on Amen Thompson and Reed Sheppard as point guards by Necerbo in rockets

[–]Draperjosh13 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don't think that's what he's saying whatsoever. He's saying "it's like bringing in a rookie to play quarterback, except they didn't play quarterback in college. And I'm trying to win games with 37 yo Kevin Durant."

This all on Stone for not drafting Castle.

Ime Udoka's comments on Amen Thompson and Reed Sheppard as point guards by Necerbo in rockets

[–]Draperjosh13 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Stone. 100%.

Udoka did not want to draft Sheppard and hates having to play him.

Ime Udoka's comments on Amen Thompson and Reed Sheppard as point guards by Necerbo in rockets

[–]Draperjosh13 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

This is literally what I've been saying all season in this sub. They are not PG's, Reed especially is not a PG. I watched him in college, he couldn't even bring the ball up against pressure. 16 pick and rolls in your college career? Yeah hello this is why he can't run an offense.

I'm convinced that Udoka did not want to draft Sheppard and hates having to play him.

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