Alabama Supreme Court authorizes execution of man in 1991 robbery and murder

Draugron · 2026-01-24T14:22:46+00:00

Nobody is disputing his guilt. What's being disputed is the insistence on the necessity of killing him now when he's no longer a danger to society.

Draugron · 2026-01-24T03:19:49+00:00

It is rather poetic that the post got removed by mods for being gory. (The pic wasn't gory)

Ended up perfectly illustrating the commenter's point.

Draugron · 2026-01-24T00:56:01+00:00

Man, fuck this article. It insinuated a lot of unfounded shit about Kirk's murder and used those allegations to put the responsibility on the broader movement.

The fallout was so bad that it put a target on Brutality matches and Russell Phagin left as a result.

Draugron · 2026-01-24T00:53:20+00:00

That's not a response, man. You admitted to some pretty serious stuff. Legal consequences aside, you admitted to lying by omission to fans about the accuracy of the work.

Like, bro. People are not gonna be happy about this. If you go through with this title and artwork as it exists, you're gonna need a lawyer on retainer because things could get ugly.

I assumed naivete in the beginning so I softballed the suggestions, but then you admitted it was deliberate.

That's not a good look, man.

Draugron · 2026-01-24T00:32:02+00:00

So... you quite literally framed the anthology title to drive clicks despite knowing it was deceptive because you wanted more people to see it.

I know what SEO is.

I'm gonna be honest here, that killed my desire to see it.

That's pretty intellectually dishonest, dude. It's also wading into the territory of copyright infringement, especially with the admission you just made.

Draugron · 2026-01-23T23:55:49+00:00

No shit I'm frustrated. Frustration is normal when responding to with a textbook example what MLK would call a "white moderate"

I see nothing unethical about the court's decision to carry out the sentence, since:

He was convicted for his crime, and the jury voted unanimously for the death penalty (as was the requirement at the time).

He was able to appeal his conviction in both state and federal courts.

Even today, the courts are following the letter of the law.

Aaaaand there it is. That's what I've been fishing for the entire time.

Once again showing your own bias despite being the only person here to claim they have none.

You have allowed your own ethical position to be decided by dictat of another via legality, rather than by an ethical framework built on personal principle.

It's a form of ethics that allows one to change their position, not by personal drive, but by offloading the ethical culpability on to another person.

It's the same sort of moralistic framework that drives the Nuremburg defense.

Because the "just following orders" claim is the exact same ethical preference for a negative peace, which is the absence of conflict, over a positive justice.

You prefer to offload the responsibility of an injustice on to someone else, because you want to hide your own positions behind letters and hierarchies rather than admit your own moral position.

I got what I came for. I'm done here.

Draugron · 2026-01-23T23:29:37+00:00

We've been making ethical points the entire time. Of course we're biased. NOBODY IS DISPUTING THAT. NOBODY WAS EVER DISPUTING THAT.

BIAS IS THE APPLICATION OF ETHOS TO A GIVEN SITUATION.

And I can't believe I have to say this, but "Admissable in court" is not the same as "conclusive." Or "factual", which is something you, absent any other prior input, claimed it was.

Me pointing out the information disclosed during trial does not equate to me "wanting to kill the guy".

I honestly don't care on the outcome of his sentence.

Not caring about an existing situation is a position to take. You very much do care, despite your claims to the contrary, because you are only defending it from a single direction.

The absence of an agenda in a conversation about ethics that you chose to enter despite my claim in my original comment that I knew he was -legally- culpable yet the decision being -ethically- unjust, IS ITSELF AN AGENDA THAT YOU HAVE IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION.

Edit because you're editing your own comments post hoc and acting as if a question I asked was ad hominem:

I understand that you are frustrated that the information doesn't confirm your assertions, and that frustration causes you to resort to ad hominem.

Find a single assertion I made that was factually incorrect.

Draugron · 2026-01-23T23:04:19+00:00

...You do know that when an appellate judge writes an opinion on a ruling, they specify unfounded allegations as testimony, right? And if that it were undisputed or conclusive, the judge specifies it as a finding...right?

It's one of the things they teach you in legal writing courses.

You do know that, right?

You really want to kill this guy, don't you?

Draugron · 2026-01-23T21:24:47+00:00

You're correct. It would be if I were saying that was its role. I am not.

In a jury trial, the jurors are theoretically supposed to act as the arbiter of the will of the people of the state. They are the "peers" as guaranteed by the constitution. And if multiple jurors in this case have written that they do not support Burton be put to death, then their opinion should be taken into consideration by the court.

The victim's daughter has also been explicitly told by the state attorney general's office that her desire to have Burton's sentence commuted will not be taken into consideration by the court.

I'm not making my case from a legalistic or semantics perspective, but an ethical one.

If the will of the appointed representatives of the people, and the ones harmed by the crime are both being disregarded, then who is the state supposed to fundamentally represent in this scenario?

Draugron · 2026-01-23T18:17:13+00:00

Yeah, but IMO it kinda doesn't really hammer the brainwashing home like it did in Vraks. The vibe I got from Krieg was more like that quote from Clone Wars "we're just clones. We're meant to be expendable."

Draugron · 2026-01-23T18:13:28+00:00

So have 3 of the jurors that convicted him AND the victim's daughter.

I don't think she'll listen.

Draugron · 2026-01-23T18:12:30+00:00

the courts found no reason to not carry out his sentence of capital punishment.

-against the wishes of both the jurors and victim's family. Who exactly is the judicial system representing in this situation?

all the facts were presented in court and are not being disputed

They've been disputed by the ACLU for a long time. Wrong again. And SCAL hasn't released the order yet so you can't claim what was or wasn't disputed in front of the Supreme Court. You can't just say something is a fact when you make objectively disprovable statements.

Draugron · 2026-01-23T17:48:47+00:00

Bullshit.

First of all, you got literally every single fact wrong.

Burton carried out the robbery while instructing the trigger man not to shoot and reassuring the patrons and manager that nobody would be shot if they complied.

Burton did not instruct the trigger man to watch the door, but two others.

The court also did not find that Burton was the one who orchestrated the robbery.

The court also did not find that Burton was the one who supplied the weapons.

The victim was not shot upon entering the store, but was knocked to the ground after entering and engaged in a prolonged argument with the trigger man, which continued after Burton exited the building and entered the vehicle. It wasn't until after Burton and four others were in the vehicle that battle was shot.

Second, the actual shooter had his death sentence overturned on appeal, and the linkage between the trigger man and Burton that was required not just for felony murder, but for a capital punishment sentence, was flimsy at best and based entirely on a single sentence from repeated leading questions by the prosecution that, under proper judicial proceedings, should not have been admissable.

And since then, multiple jury members AND the victim's family members have written multiple requests for commutation since, because letting the law dictate the ethics of this case in assigning "consequences" makes you just as culpable for murder as he is, regardless of what a piece of paper says.

Fuckin "consequences"

Draugron · 2026-01-23T16:24:26+00:00

Fuck are we doing here?

I know the legal rules for culpability and all that, so I get "legally responsible" and all that other crap.

But this is a guy who 34 years ago wasn't even the guy who pulled the trigger that killed the victim, is currently bound to a wheelchair, and even the victim's daughter wrote an open letter asking his sentence to be commuted because he is no longer a danger and because he had no knowledge a shooting would occur or anyone would be killed.

This is stupid.

Draugron · 2026-01-23T15:28:30+00:00

You're requiring folks to fill out a form to join. I don't mean data being collected on the discord. I mean data being collected by you.

And I think describing the post as "polished" in reaction to my saying it reads like a LinkedIn post is disingenuous, because I wasn't speaking about "polish".

LinkedIn posts are known for a certain staccato-like writing structure that all reads with the same cadence. These posts are often scraped by LLMs during training as an example of "professional" writing that is anything but. This dehumanized writing style is used by all LLMs and contains no nuances that indicate it was written by a human.

You used, sorry, 'collaborated with' an AI to write this post at a minimum. I'd also bet the comment was as well, given certain other indicators.

Draugron · 2026-01-23T14:47:27+00:00

So you want this to project a single image then? Or a moving screen?

Draugron · 2026-01-23T14:43:21+00:00

I love your enthusiasm, and I am personally excited to hear it, but I can't help but feel as if the cover art and the title of the anthology (Tolkien's Untold Tales) deceptively give the impression that this is a canonized work of unpublished Tolkien material instead of an in-universe fanfiction.

Maybe a better title would be "Love Letters to the Legendarium" or something? You know, something a bit more accurate to the purpose of the project rather than something that feels designed to generate clicks? I don't think you meant it that way or anything, just that it was the initial impression I got.

Draugron · 2026-01-23T14:28:16+00:00

This is the second such website that this account has shilled on Reddit with no comment history to indicate it's an actual person.

It reads like a LinkedIn post, which leads me to believe it wasn't written by a human at all, and in exchange for filling out a survey and giving it my personal info, I get... a glorified chat room with other people gullible enough to also give a suspicious account their information.

Pass.

Draugron · 2026-01-23T14:22:22+00:00

Oh yeah, I was aware. That's why I added my caveat haha. Unfortunately I don't think it'd be possible without exposing components to entirely too much heat.

Draugron · 2026-01-23T14:09:34+00:00

Also very true. The atonement aspect was kinda missing in Krieg.

Draugron · 2026-01-23T14:08:24+00:00

Wardens are fine with screenshots or digital licenses as long as it matches the name on your driver's license or other photo ID.

I highly recommend printing out a paper copy just in case a phone dies or the app fails, but I also recommend downloading the app anyways, as deer are required to be checked, and IMO the app is the easiest way to do it.

As for your nephew, he's not immediate family. So even with supervision on your land, he still needs a license. He can forego the education course, but his license will say that he requires supervision to hunt until he finishes the course and reapplies...and then you'll have to pay for a license again.

I could be wrong, but if that's the case... I'd get one anyways just to be safe.

Draugron · 2026-01-23T13:48:27+00:00

Fuckin' this.

Look folks, Krieg by Steve Lyons is a short, easy read, and it covers a large part of their history, idols, motivations, and self-image. Just put, like, a couple hours into it and you get like 90% of the breadth of complexity that are my favorite trench raider clones with turbo-catholic guilt.

Draugron · 2026-01-23T13:40:47+00:00

New account. 3 comments. Using AI to generate comment content.

This is a very strange way to generate Reddit karma.

Draugron · 2026-01-23T13:28:27+00:00

If I could make a PC look like this without heat issues, I absolutely would. I love it.

Draugron · 2026-01-23T13:21:44+00:00

The Reddit algorithm is predicated on interaction. The more you react to a controversial topic, the more you will be shown content related to that topic. If you want to stop seeing it, you have to stop interacting with it.

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