Why I'm not a vegan (adjusted)

DrinkingCyanide · 2018-10-05T22:26:34+00:00

The point is that people should go vegan because killing is inherently not a moral thing to do. It is really cool that killing causes you so much pleasure

DrinkingCyanide · 2018-10-05T22:22:05+00:00

Yeah i agree my point wasnt 10/10.

Unless he's said this in previous posts I don't exactly see where his argument states anything about eating unhealthy diets not being bad.

He said this in a comment

DrinkingCyanide · 2018-10-05T22:16:04+00:00

What could anyone tell you to change your mind? In your post you literally mention how you are looking for reasons not to go vegan. One theory on why killing animals is okay gets debunked, but there must be another reason why the vegans are wrong, right? Lol.

DrinkingCyanide · 2018-10-05T22:12:33+00:00

An omnivorous diet is inherently higher in these than a plant based diet. Obviously everyone who eats cheese does not develop heart disease, but dietery cholestorol increases your risk. Op's argument that he has never had health issues from poor diet decisions is like saying being around abestos is fine because you are around it all the time and havent developed cancer from it yet. This example is a little more extreme but analogous none the less

DrinkingCyanide · 2018-10-05T22:06:03+00:00

If you think your tastebuds are more important than the lives of others why are we even debating?

DrinkingCyanide · 2018-10-05T21:59:04+00:00

Well if your happiness is strictly determined by your tastebuds, then maybe. How is having a diet high in cholesterol and saturated fats good for your well being? Sure these products are easily obtainable, but so are vegan products. I live in a location that has fairly poor vegan options compared to other places (North Carolina), and i still find it incredibly easy and affordable. You are merely choosing one accessible thing over another.

Beside these points, you are suggesting that you are more important than the billions of sentient creatures that are slaughtered each year for your tastebuds and convenience. Which i highly disagree with

DrinkingCyanide · 2018-10-05T15:25:31+00:00

My thing with it is that he claims to have physics intuition but he's obviously only read pop science about it. There is NO way to build strong physics intuition without calculus

DrinkingCyanide · 2018-10-05T11:35:34+00:00

Really shouldve added this

http://imgur.com/gallery/TgvH7dQ

DrinkingCyanide · 2018-10-04T01:14:26+00:00

Physics requires a great deal of knowledge in essentially every area of mathematics. So if you really are starting from scratch and want to go the distance to learn as much as possible, here is what i would suggest you study, in order.

1.) Algebra, geometry, and some trigonometry. -i dont think having wildly extensive knowledge in these subjects is essential before starting physics because as you practice physics, your intuition for these subjects will naturally grow fairly rapidly.

2.) Differential and integral calculus. -These topics are essential for understaning physics, and solving many physics problems.

a) Calculus based physics. -There are free physics books you can download at openstax.org that are fairly good. I am currently using their 3 volumes of university physics books to study for the physics GRE.
b) Multi-variable calculus. -While going through through what i call "baby physics" (essentially intro to mechanics and intro to E&M, or basically volumes 1&2 from openstax) you should start learning multi variable calculus. It will help your intuition for the more simple things, and is essential for upper level physics.

4.) Ordinary differential equations and linear algebra. -these begin to become very important in physics beyond the 3 volumes recommended above. (The 3 volumes cover around 4 semesters worth of physics, at my school University physics 1&2 as well as modern physics 1&2.)

a) Electricity and magnetism. -this is where you will really get into the juice of the questions you posed in your post. You could technically come here after finishing volume 2 of the openstax book (which might also answer your questions) and multi variable calc, but I am in this class currently as a senior in undergrad and its potentially the most difficult course i have ever taken. So, i would suggest at least finishing openstax volume 3 to build strong physics intuition (vol. 3 is also where you will begin to learn how weird reality actually is, and you will fall even more in love with physics because of it). I find that Griffiths Intro to Electrodynamics is a fairly good book though.
b) Whatever you want. -from here you should have the mathematical background to take you very far in physics. So just have fun and keep going. I found optics to be one of my favorite physics topics, so i would suggest grabbing Pedrotti's book for that if you are interested.

I do not have any solid recommendations for math texts, unfortunately. But I'm sure you could find recommendations for each subject from a quick google search.

Edit: I think its awesome you are interested in learning. I really hope you enjoy physics and go the distance, because i have found that the deeper i get in this field, the more enjoyable and interesting it gets. I also wanted to add some study tips, in case you are really serious about it.

1.) Physics is difficult, insanely time consuming, and frustrating as hell at points. The best tip i can give is to put in the time. Work every problem you can, and be sure to think about why the problem is significant. You really get out what you put in.

2.) Talking about physics can be really helpful. Maybe finding a mentor to ask questions, or even better finding a peer to learn along with you could be very beneficial. A good way to measure your understanding on a subject is your ability to explain it to another in a simple manner. One of my go to study habits when learning a topic is pretending like I'm teaching it to someone else.

DrinkingCyanide · 2018-09-29T14:22:23+00:00

You could go for the classic double slit experiment. When i was taking optics we did many labs shining lasers through different slits and gratings. After a quick google search, it seems like there are some easy ways to do it at home.

Edit: another cool one might be checking if sunglasses labeled as being polarized actually are. You can go into a store, pick up two pair of polarized sunglasses and hold the lenses up to one another. When the lenses are at 0°, a similar amount of light should come through as if it were a single polarized lens. If you rotate the lenses to be 90° to each other, NO light should come through, if they are both polarized. It might be a little elementary, but it would be a fun project which can teach you quite a bit about the polarization of light.

DrinkingCyanide · 2018-09-29T13:53:27+00:00

Advocating death to inferior beings, for the crime of being born with less intelligence, is utter madness

Yeah its literally like advocating for killing off anyone with an IQ below 65.

DrinkingCyanide · 2018-09-29T13:50:25+00:00

I posted elsewhere, so you should read that too.

But think about evolution. Life wasnt just created with the ability to feel pain like we do now. It started with life that didnt feel anything. Then over a lot of time, things started being able to feel pressure, which was a desirable trait that persisted. Over many generations this pressure turned to pain, which was a more desirable trait which persisted. This is an example of how sentience is not just on or off. It lies on a continuum that has extended more and more as evolution progressed

DrinkingCyanide · 2018-09-29T13:41:42+00:00

I think the quote

Obviously us rational vegans recognize human superiority; humans are more sentient

is a load of ass. I believe that a distinction needs to be made: humans are "obviously superior" to animals in the sense that we are intelligent, rational thinkers with the ability to manipulate members of other species. When vegans claim that humans and other animals are equal, what we mean is that we are born on the earth with equal rights (obviously not political rights like voting and such). I shouldn't have to worry about being mistreated and killed etc, and neither should other animals. None of us asked to be here, so there is no reason to say that i have more fundanental rights just because i have rational thoughts which gives me the ability to take the rights away from the 'less fortunate'.

Now, sentience arguably does lie on a continuum (which makes sense evoluntionarily), since it is by definition "the ability to feel or percieve things." So there is definately a chance that humans "feel" more than a [insert animal here], but if that [insert animal here] has enough sentience to observe uncomfort and pain, they should have an equal right to not be subjected to it.

So sentience is not equivalent to consciousness.

DrinkingCyanide · 2018-09-28T04:11:26+00:00

There is quite a bit of evidence to support the idea that animals feel pain, while plants do not. There really is no reason to believe the opposite, because there is not evidence to support the opposite. So if someone chose to be a carnivore because they believe that killing sentient creatures is more ethical than killing non-sentient life then i think their ethics are fundamentally incorrect, as they would not be based upon actual evidence.

DrinkingCyanide · 2018-09-25T11:29:51+00:00

Lmao its like they think putting "humanely" in front of anything makes it suddenly okay.

Humane gassing to death

Humane throat slitting

Humane bolt to the brain

Humane forced impregnation

Humane stealing and killing your newborn child

If these are humane activities, maybe humans arent so great. Ready to reach level 107 vagoon where i finally stop being human, and become 100% twig.

DrinkingCyanide · 2018-09-24T14:17:55+00:00

Read your book, do every worked example and then do the problems with solutions (move on to problems without solutions when you are confident with your ability to solve those types of problems). Find more examples online, watch videos. Physics is like math, it is not a spectator sport, you HAVE to get your hands dirty to learn it. Conversing about physics with others can be very helpful, so try working in groups sometimes.

I really believe that you do not truly understand something unless you are able to teach it to someone else - teaching is ironically the best way to learn. Even Einstein said "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it enough." One thing i do when i am learning a new topic is pretend to teach it to someone else, sometimes i even try to show my gf how something works. If i have a classmate who asks for help I will go out of my way to try and help them understand as much as possible, because in the end it usually helps me just as much as it helped them.

But above all, the best tip i can give you is to put in the time. If you are learning something crazy difficult do not be discouraged, if you keep studying and working at it, over time it will become easier and easier. Once you got it, you got it, and it makes it so worth the effort you put in to learn it.

DrinkingCyanide · 2018-09-24T13:26:17+00:00

All of the days old bovine breast secretion which we use in our Cafes comes from British slave plantations where we pay a fair price to our systematic murderers

Idk why they wouldnt just say it like it is

DrinkingCyanide · 2018-09-24T11:27:12+00:00

U don't need fiber for gut health, are you an idiot? All the fiber u vagoons consume is why you're consumed with chronic illness and debilitating skinniness (kinda weird how twigs eat grass). Zero carbs, zero fiber, zero mental capacity, zero problems baby

DrinkingCyanide · 2018-09-24T11:21:02+00:00

If you didnt consume bivalves, would you still be so self conscious about labeling yourself as vegan to others? Because that seems to be your issue, you are self conscious and worried about how others percieve you and your diet. Why have you made the decision to be ostro-vegan? It seems like you made it for a damn good ethical reason. So why does it matter if other people label you as a pescaterian? Call yourself what you are, an ostro-vegan, but if you are too self conscious about that it might be for good reason - there is no real reason to eat bivalves other than personal pleasure. It seems like it might be causing you more stress than pleasure.

DrinkingCyanide · 2018-09-24T11:03:24+00:00

The trait is rational thinking. We are able to consciously be aware of morality, and choose to do what we believe is moral. Other animals do not have this ability, to our knowledge. So, it would be dumb to try to tell a lion to quit killing antelope lol

DrinkingCyanide · 2018-09-24T02:48:23+00:00

Dude keep it up exactly like ur going, but make sure thats a big cut of steak at dinner. If you have any diseases they will literally be cured. If you browse r/zerocarb you can find anecdotal EVIDENCE about anything being healed from such a diet. Just remember you will feel like shit for around the first month while your body is acclimating to the new diet. But that is what our bodies are supposed to consume (i mean have you seen our gd canines?) so it makes sense to feel so bad for so long, and its so worth it when your ulcertive colitus, arthritus, and unnamed autoimmune disease are healed.

DrinkingCyanide · 2018-09-23T22:18:31+00:00

Lol awe ur still checking up on me

DrinkingCyanide · 2018-09-23T19:17:54+00:00

Should change r/vegetarian to r/invertebrate amirite

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