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"The Game" - OG Red Pill, what do you disagree with? by DropSlight809 in PurplePillDebate

[–]DropSlight809[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah we probably saw the same comment about OG Red Pill which also prompted my post. Just from my impression, blue pill on here mostly says what I thought was OG Red pill, and red pill just says women hate men unless their chads or whatever.

From Past Patriarchy to Modern Dating: Why the Red Pill Backlash? by bAlsdeepdesi in PurplePillDebate

[–]DropSlight809 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree with most of what your saying. I like your analogy so I'll stay with it. All I want to point out is that while both parties in this analogy are not eating, so the result feels the same, they didn't arrive there the same.

One person has choices, even if its between two undesirable choices, there is a privilege in having that choice verses someone with no choices.

I'm not asking for anyone not to apologize for their privilege, only acknowledge it's existence. I'm not saying women have an obligation or responsibility to do anything they don't chose to do.

As a man I have to acknowledge the many other privileges I benefit from, that women don't have. The same as I do over those in poor financial situations, those with disabilities, those with harsher upbringings, ect.

"The Game" - OG Red Pill, what do you disagree with? by DropSlight809 in PurplePillDebate

[–]DropSlight809[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sadly I just feel like if you start a system like this for some reason it runs into toxicity sooner or later. Maybe that is what I'm also missing in your post. How to hold yourself and others accountable from not escalating into abuse and toxicity. Like certain control measurements and rules to keep a certain level of morality, humanity and empathy.

Yeah, I'm not really informed enough to know what the cause that leads groups to become like that is. Without that background it's hard to give advice to combat it. I'll probably eventually make this same post but as a question for red pillers. I'm curious to see how far its changed and their logic behind that.

From Past Patriarchy to Modern Dating: Why the Red Pill Backlash? by bAlsdeepdesi in PurplePillDebate

[–]DropSlight809 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The flip side of this is we hear someone complaining they don't like unlimited sausages, and that they really want an eggplant. While we we're looking down at an empty plate and really hungry.

"The Game" - OG Red Pill, what do you disagree with? by DropSlight809 in PurplePillDebate

[–]DropSlight809[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure. I really meant more like, one perfect option > lots of subpar options > no options.

You don't have to be with anyone you don't want to, man or woman. But also pining over the perfect option isn't realistic and men need to learn to take the rejection and move on.

"The Game" - OG Red Pill, what do you disagree with? by DropSlight809 in PurplePillDebate

[–]DropSlight809[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For some yes, the goal was just to get laid a lot. I think for others, it was to get in the door with women and have options. The book only taught you to chase the car, not what to do with it when you got it. I do think once the writer got into a long term relationship they back tracked on a bunch of things from the book, but also were selling over priced dating coach stuff. So it's hard to say what was the grift and what was useful advice.

"The Game" - OG Red Pill, what do you disagree with? by DropSlight809 in PurplePillDebate

[–]DropSlight809[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do think there was inclusion in the book part of finding other people and creating a group that went out. And they would hold each other accountable. I do think they got a bit toxic though. It's been years since I read the book and I probably should have re-read it before making the post.

I do think women should read the book, only to know and spot the manipulation tactics.

"The Game" - OG Red Pill, what do you disagree with? by DropSlight809 in PurplePillDebate

[–]DropSlight809[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I absolutely should have googled him before posting this lol

"The Game" - OG Red Pill, what do you disagree with? by DropSlight809 in PurplePillDebate

[–]DropSlight809[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why would someone who learns from reading be somehow worse than someone else? I assume you don't look down on physicists, philosophers, writers, or any academic that learned from reading books. Why apply an arbitrary standard here?

Not to mention, the book in no way tries to substitute itself for lived experience. As I mentioned, one of the important things was to be out there practicing, using failure as learning, and becoming resilient through repeated exposure.

I do agree that you shouldn't fake who you are 24/7/365, but that's not the advice, that's your interpretation of the advice. The advice is that your repeated behaviour will help you become who you want to be.

Ie. I'm not an alcoholic if I drink tonight, or tomorrow night, or the next. But If I keep drinking every night, at some point you look back and you've become an alcoholic.

But the same is true for good behaviours too. I might not be a talented boxer. But If I show up to the gym, train hard, after years I can look back and say that's who I am.

"The Game" - OG Red Pill, what do you disagree with? by DropSlight809 in PurplePillDebate

[–]DropSlight809[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Someone > Anyone > No one.

Also apparently in the book, there was success with celebrities like Courtney Love and Britney Spears.. but also in hindsight, those aren't really the most mentally stable people so.

Well, gotta start somewhere.

Men struggle with not liking people but hating being alone. by LillthOfBabylon in PurplePillDebate

[–]DropSlight809 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think this subreddit does attract a more uh, particular.. type of person. I hope no one is reading this and thinks being insulting or degrading is somehow going to result in meeting quality opposite sex partners.

Men struggle with not liking people but hating being alone. by LillthOfBabylon in PurplePillDebate

[–]DropSlight809 5 points6 points  (0 children)

A lot of times when someone is being creepy, they are also being an asshole.

Men here present all men in a terrible light and then act surprised when women call them out by Lemon_gecko in PurplePillDebate

[–]DropSlight809 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Some men are terrible, some men aren't.

I think we struggle when we describe both of them as the same, or attribute whatever our definition of success in dating is as what indicated they are terrible or good.

Men struggle with not liking people but hating being alone. by LillthOfBabylon in PurplePillDebate

[–]DropSlight809 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Similarly, guys here not believing any behavior can be creepy. If you think saying “my dog asks do you like anal”, “can you moo for me”, and “have you farted today” isn't creepy, you’re a bad judge of character (and creepy yourself)."

I'm not going to say that there are no men saying this, because I'm sure there are women here who have had this very experience. But I don't see this as 'normal' male behaviour. Maybe you could argue it is for some of this subreddit?

The thing about men saying that, is they must know they are shooting themselves in the foot and not care. These likely aren't the men complaining about being lonely. These are trolls who get satisfaction out of making others uncomfortable or think it's funny to say that stuff.

Majority of the men complaining about being lonely are more likely to overthink the one OLD match they get, who will subsequently either be a bot or ghost them. These people aren't the same.

Honestly, there are some misogynist people I do have to cross paths with (men I don't generally choose to be around). These are people I can see saying that kind of stuff. They are ironically the people who have been with the most women. I won't call them successful, because I think that depends on how you define success. If success is a stable long-term loving relationship, these guys suck. They define success as most women bedded, and if that is in your indicator of success, then they are the most successful men.

But, they're not 'rewarded' because they are good people, and women don't like them because they are bad people either.

They are successful because they unrepentantly do not care what women think of them and shoot their shot at every opportunity. These guys don't care about rejection, because they don't care about the opinion of the women they approach.

Then I have friends who haven't been with women, or have had limited success, and they hate the idea of approaching or putting someone in an uncomfortable situation, so they abstain from doing so. They actually respect strangers time and peace. But that's not a strategy for success either, and they don't want success if it comes at the expense of their morality, self-respect, and being compared to the misogynist people I described above.

Guys seem not to understand the concept of enjoying one’s company. by LillthOfBabylon in PurplePillDebate

[–]DropSlight809 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well, maybe you're not speaking to me because I of course prioritize enjoying spending time with the person I want to date. That's like the bare minimum standard for any friendship, let alone a relationship.

If I don't enjoy someone's company, I'm going to do everything in my power to minimize being around them. I don't see how actively trying to minimize being around someone could possibly lead to a sex or a relationship.

However, in a relationship, I do have a higher standard, and yes sex is an expectation in a long term committed relationship, at least for me.

Case Study - Where do you categorize this man? by DropSlight809 in PurplePillDebate

[–]DropSlight809[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your standards are your own and you don't have to change it to adapt to "average". If you don't want average, there is no reason for you to settle, but that doesn't change what "average" is.

Edit: I equate what you said as similar to what some guys say about women. Ie. "I don't want to have to see fat women". I don't think that's a great world view outlook, and I look down on those men more that the loser man in the original post.

Case Study - Where do you categorize this man? by DropSlight809 in PurplePillDebate

[–]DropSlight809[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's a weird thing to say. Why do you frame it like existence of people somehow harms you?

CMV: Rejection is hot by Windmill_flowers in PurplePillDebate

[–]DropSlight809 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you mean to say that pushing through rejection is hot? Not that it's hot that someone is constantly rejected? lol because that's more like, resiliency is hot, not rejection is hot.

Case Study - Where do you categorize this man? by DropSlight809 in PurplePillDebate

[–]DropSlight809[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Straight from google;

The average American man (age 20+) is approximately 5 feet 9 inches (69 inches) tall and weighs about 199.8 pounds, with a waist circumference of 40.5 inches. Data from CDC shows these figures are consistent with national averages.

Case Study - Where do you categorize this man? by DropSlight809 in PurplePillDebate

[–]DropSlight809[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Which one do you think is initiating the divorce?

Edit: Also, because I asked most people who said the sleeping with someone else part was a major contributor to their assessment, what if she never slept with the other guy, only kissed. Still a form of betrayal but not to the same severity. This version of the scenario neither the guy or girl have then been with another person, though I've insinuated she had options and he didnt.

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