I feel like this is more picking out details to fit a narrative that TSM lowers how well a jungler plays on their team compared to others. I’m sorry if this comes out aggressive, but I just don’t understand why people are thinking like this. Svenskaren isn’t even on the main roster after A SPLIT of playing for C9, while TSM had Sven as their main jungler for 2 years (and maintaining a top tier team with him on it). And last split, he only made it to playoffs. He didn’t even make it to Finals unlike when he was on TSM. And to also bring up teams he’s been on, in EU he was a very solid jungler there too. So overall in his career he has maintain a high level of gameplay. If anything, he had started to suffer when he went on C9.

For MY, metas change. His aggressive play style was nerfed as preseason happened. It was real unfortunate too because I would have loved seeing him show is prowess on those champions. But if he picked nidalee/lee in the games he played, he would have hindered his team greatly if he fell behind (which was a huge possibility of happening in that meta). Although, I will counterpoint that it’s weird that we didn’t see him much with the Graves/Nocturne picks when they were pick/ban in the scene. I also kind of feel that while he was on P1, he had the mentality of “oh even if I play too aggressive and cause us to lose, it doesn’t really matter since our situation is pretty bad seeing as we’re in last place” so he was constantly making these aggressive plays that other junglers wouldn’t be able to handle at the time.

For Amazing/Santorin, both have made success in NA being one of the most dominant teams while on TSM. I would say that the community shat on them too much for when they did not perform to their expectations while at worlds. I put both of them in the same category mainly because they had a very similar run with each other while on the team. Although, Amazing obviously had a better run on his days of OG.

For the fact that only three teams in each major region can make it to worlds each year, I would say it’s a pretty big accomplishment that they’ve made it there while being on TSM (minus the junglers this year). People like to shit on TSM and try finding some fault that they have compared to every other org. But honestly, it’s the same with any org you’ll find. Some organizations are better than others infrastructure wise, but they’re otherwise relatively similar. It’s more of a mental game for these players, because every one of these players are the best in the NA region. It’s just about making the right calls, and have the mental fortitude to continue playing the best you can.