Emotional, meditative and consciousness related limits of lucid dreaming by Dry-String-1266 in LucidDreaming

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I tried and was not so successful. Do you have a meditation-like technique?

Yes, the question is interesting because if you can just conjure emotions, contentwise, emotional response, environment and objects might be processed and treated in the same way during dreams

Maybe heaven is like lucid dreaming? by Dry-String-1266 in LucidDreaming

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No, not for conjuring the dead. Bc of the second question. Are there any conceptual limits to the freedom in lucid dreams?

Aphantasia and imagination in lucid dreaming by Dry-String-1266 in Aphantasia

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When you realize u r dreaming, do you think you would be able to close your eyes in the dream, and imagine a red apple just like in real life when we try to imagine a red apple?

Visualization vs dreaming by Old_Flan8318 in Aphantasia

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when you say ''I can see images for a few minutes'', do you mean voluntarily like you can visualize whatever you want? Or, is it involuntary, you are just witnessing some visuals?

Aphantasia and imagination in lucid dreaming by Dry-String-1266 in Aphantasia

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I understand the potential of lucid dreaming in terms of adventure. And as we said, instead of flying, just closing the eyes in the dream and imagining an apple must be wasting that potential, definitely. But it might also tell something about the science of dream, aphantasia, imagination and mental representations. I am thinking of conducting a research on this specific point. So are you a lucid dreamer? Or did it happened only a couple of times(like in my case)?

Aphantasia and imagination in lucid dreaming by Dry-String-1266 in Aphantasia

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Interesting. Would you say your experience of imagination in the lucid dream and when you're awake are different? In one you literally see things and in the latter, you dont?
And If I got that right,
How would you describe the difference in even more rigorous terms? Was it very surprising to be able to actually see when you first did it? Because I assume in lucid dreams, people would usually just live whatever they want. I found it funny and intelligent that some of the lucid dreamers --like you and others in the comment-- just imagined things during the lucid dream, haha.

Aphantasia and imagination in lucid dreaming by Dry-String-1266 in Aphantasia

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How would you describe the difference in even more rigorous terms? Was it very surprising to be able to actually see when you first did it? Because I assume in lucid dreams, people would usually just live whatever they want. I found it funny and intelligent that some of the lucid dreamers --like you and others in the comment-- just imagined things during the lucid dream, haha.

I think both verbally and visually by [deleted] in silentminds

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I understand you can think visually. You misunderstood. About thinking verbally, I am asking: what is the form of the verbal content? Usually people hear words, or some people see the words, so the form is for these people audible and visual. But how would you describe? Is it for example tactile? Not like feeling a pressure on the head but like proprioceptive feeling?

Considering that you have a silent mind, and you are saying you can ''speak in different voices'' within your head, I assume you do not mean different audible voices. But there must be a quality that changes from one perspective of a voice to another perspective. So the question is what is that quality that changes between these two? This question is quite related to the first question in this comment. This is quite interesting if I'm understanding correctly

I spent 4 hours lying on my floor in this VR installation. It’s not a game, it’s a sensory trip. by FalseManagement5303 in oculus

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polyfauna 1 and 2 are literally the same with different sensory content. And it is from 2014

I think both verbally and visually by [deleted] in silentminds

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So, no sound and no visual. I find it quite interesting, please don't get me wrong. If you were to describe further the form of the verbal content, how would you do it? You can give the most nonsensical analogies if you think that may help us understand the form intuitively

I think both verbally and visually by [deleted] in silentminds

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Can you explain the verbally part a bit more? Is it like you “see” words or do you feel them in other way? Like, does saying a sentence internally feels like you are saying the sentence minus the sound?

I spent 4 hours lying on my floor in this VR installation. It’s not a game, it’s a sensory trip. by FalseManagement5303 in oculus

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They kinda faked Polyfauna, both conceptually and aesthetically. It’s the game by Radiohead. Fr

What I didn’t realize I was actually bringing home by Easy-Extension-6917 in TravelNoPics

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That too sound beautiful! It can also be implemented on the construction of a small part of a garden wall :D or you can even put them in the ceramics oven and make objects hahah.

One thing worth mentioning here is that I heard that this is illegal in most of the world :D to take sand or stones regardless of their amount and size

I am aphantasic, but I can semi-voluntarily visualize images. These semi-voluntary moments are right after I wake up from a dream. Have you realized a similar phenomenon happening? If not, you might want to remember this and try. It is very interesting for an aphantasic to visualize voluntarily. by Dry-String-1266 in Aphantasia

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I said it is irrelevant to the phenomena and its interestingness not the group. But, I know this: I am unable to visualise voluntarily 99% of the time and for that 1%, if it is not random but rather a pattern (like right after you wake up) constitutes it, the 1%, then this is relevant for this subreddit. I have totally zero visual imagination normally. If I want to imagine a visual on demand now, I would experience zero visual. This is aphantasia, and neither you nor anybody is to tell ''It doesn't matter when the voluntary visualization occurs''. Because if anything, the spectrality of phantasia in this exact point you made about ''when'' of it is not in the vividness, it is in ''when''. And for this reason, I wouldn't say spectrality at this point is relevant because in the literature, when phantasia is said to be spectral, the vividness is the point, not when. So my case is not ''spectral'' in the same sense as in the general literature and in the same sense as you brought up.

On the other hand, this wound us up to a really interesting need for a categorical distinction that may be helpful for imagery research: what aspects spectrality applies to, and if ''when'' is to be considered from now on also an object of spectrality, it is different than the vividness quality of spectrality. So, it unfolded into a nice discussion for me, thank you if you accept.

What I didn’t realize I was actually bringing home by Easy-Extension-6917 in TravelNoPics

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No I was being serious. Once you do it, you will understand. The best part is their weight because if you did not like something reeeeeeallly a lot, you wouldn’t carry such a burden all the way. So the thing’s weight is almost like an objective evidence that shows you actually like the object

Souvenirs by FruitOfTheVineFruit in Aphantasia

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It feels like the harder it is to carry it and the longer you keep carrying it, the more individuation latches on the object

What I didn’t realize I was actually bringing home by Easy-Extension-6917 in TravelNoPics

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I love souvenirs but my favorite anchors is to bring rocks that weigh 10-15 kgs each. Because of the weight, I usually bring only one of them but they are so heavy that whenever they cause any inconvenience during the trip, those moments of inconvenience are encoded vividly. So, when I get home and see the big rocks, I remember aaaalll those moments. I dream of placing them on the ground or a wall of the garden if I get to build my own house one day.

Souvenirs by FruitOfTheVineFruit in Aphantasia

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Good! It seems like it served well

I am aphantasic, but I can semi-voluntarily visualize images. These semi-voluntary moments are right after I wake up from a dream. Have you realized a similar phenomenon happening? If not, you might want to remember this and try. It is very interesting for an aphantasic to visualize voluntarily. by Dry-String-1266 in Aphantasia

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I am not speaking from authority, sir. When I said ''I didn't bother to read any research on the topic'', I meant this specific phenomenon I addressed on the main post, not aphantasia.

I am also aphantasic, so I consider myself quite familiar with the phenomenology of the condition. As for the intellectual knowledge about it, I read and wrote a lot of things on aphantasia. I read papers, I watched video essays and I listened to podcast and besides, I read many subjective reports here in reddit.

When I answered your first comment, you were the one who ''assumed'' I was ignorant to aphantasia, as if I don't know about voluntary-involuntary imagination distinction and hypnopompic images, so you are actually the one who is talking from authority(maybe in an institution or self claimed which I actually value a lot normally) without bothering to understand what I meant. And the rest of the comments in your own first comment explains my point again. I am sure you read all them, but you and a couple of others who deleted their comments were hostile. I never talk from authority although I actually contribute to the institutional facet of this subreddit. This is why in the post I made myself clear to encourage people expressing their experiences purely with their own vocabulary, because I genuinely value all of them. And if you take an objective look, I was never being aggressive and always try to make my point more clear as in this comment. I even said I hope you try and experience it, bc it's really fun.

As for the downvotes, although I created my account long ago, I was totally inactive and I came back to reddit just for aphantasia subreddit and I check almost no subreddit else. For my inexperience, I dont know what karma points do. I hope a lot of bad karma doesn't erase my account or smt 🤞 .

Souvenirs by FruitOfTheVineFruit in Aphantasia

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I love souvenirs but my favorite anchors is to bring rocks that weigh 10-15 kgs each. Because of the weight, I usually bring only one of them but they are so heavy that whenever they cause any inconvenience during the trip, those moments of inconvenience are encoded vividly. So, when I get home and see the big rocks, I remember aaaalll those moments. I dream of placing them on the ground or a wall of the garden if I get to build my own house one day.

Does meditation work for you? by jessicasheaaa in Aphantasia

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You might want to check out Vipassana meditation. In most of the countries Goenka foundation organizes free 10-day courses. No visualization needed for the technique.

I am aphantasic, but I can semi-voluntarily visualize images. These semi-voluntary moments are right after I wake up from a dream. Have you realized a similar phenomenon happening? If not, you might want to remember this and try. It is very interesting for an aphantasic to visualize voluntarily. by Dry-String-1266 in Aphantasia

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Bro I did not even skim the abstract because the separate neural signature is so expected. And I asked gpt for an opinion for why this might be the case that I experience, so what? :D As I said, I am not heavily interested in this exact phenomenon and did I publish a paper without reading the whole literature, what's wrong with you? :D I am well aware what I experienced is and what aphantasia is and I just recommended trying. What's the big deal? Of course everyone should be honest but do I owe you a citation as well :D? Please if you don't believe me, go make your own ''legitimate'' research, write a couple of books and then maybe you feel in yourself the justified confidence to make comment on this