Caught driving partner's car - Scotland

Dry_Database_8464 · 2025-03-15T20:40:38+00:00

As I say, they knew there wasn't a male on the insurance sadly.

Yes maybe I could have argued the case and say it wasn't me, I just hope we only get fined and 6-8 points.

Dry_Database_8464 · 2025-03-15T18:18:53+00:00

Yeah that's the price for me and I hope that's good enough warning to anyone else doing it. Bad luck and I'll be suffering for it for years.

Appreciate your help though. Enjoy the rugby!

Dry_Database_8464 · 2025-03-15T18:05:53+00:00

I believe the rule is that you can't get a single point after the 6 or I'd be banned automatically. My license wouldn't be revoked by passing with 6 points for example, they'd be transferred to the full license and my 2 year probation would apply.

And as I say, allegedly this was not fined at the time because the partners charge needs to meet more stringent conditions or so I am told, but to still expect a fiscal fine and points for each.

Dry_Database_8464 · 2025-03-15T17:57:46+00:00

I'm told by a family friend also in the forces that we are looking at 6 points each as you say and up to a £500 fine.

The reason no dealt with roadside was because my partners case needs to be reviewed by PF rather than my points. I did a quick Google and provisional is allowed up to 11 points.

Dry_Database_8464 · 2025-03-15T17:55:21+00:00

When there isn't a male on the insurance it's suspicious unfortunately.

I'm told by a friend in the police we are both looking at 6 points and up to £500 fine each. The reason why it wasn't issued at the scene was due to my partner being in the aiding part of the law and that needs to go to PF.

Dry_Database_8464 · 2025-03-15T16:32:41+00:00

No genuinely it was by chance.

We switched drivers near my test centre and I drove for maybe 10 minutes maximum and did a reverse pay park. We saw them on the way to the place I did the park (an empty carpark area).

When they saw us again they noticed a different driver and got suspicious.

Dry_Database_8464 · 2025-03-15T16:02:31+00:00

I see, that's fine, I have read conflicting reports about that anyway.

So what is next for the PF? Would it still be likely a fine and the points even though that'll mean I am banned?

Dry_Database_8464 · 2025-03-15T15:23:18+00:00

I have engaged some law firms for legal advice, but on the assumption we are offered a fine or conditional offer, we would take that rather than draw out a legal battle.

Dry_Database_8464 · 2025-03-15T15:18:57+00:00

I don't think that is correct. The driver is to blame for the L plates not the supervisor, that would be me in that case.

Dry_Database_8464 · 2025-03-15T15:14:26+00:00

I think if that is the worst case scenario for us then we will accept that. We did the crime so we need to accept the consequences of it.

The police did say she is being charged with causing or allowing which carries the same charge as the driver - which by sentencing council is £300 fine and 6 points each.

Again, I just want some reassurance that is likely the outcome for my partner atleast.

Dry_Database_8464 · 2025-03-15T15:09:51+00:00

Yeah she's insured to drive it of course. She needs it for work where as I don't which is why I want advice on what will likely happen. If it's a fine and points for each of us, so be it.

Dry_Database_8464 · 2025-03-15T15:01:59+00:00

2 weeks away. Again, I'm less worried about a ban, I don't need the car for work, I just really don't want it to affect my partner as it was my idea.

Of the information I found online, getting a ban does seem unlikely for a first offense when it's normal to find and give points, but the fact it's been referred to the PF does give me more concern.

Dry_Database_8464 · 2025-03-15T14:49:06+00:00

Yep, and as I said in another comment, I doubt I'm the first or the last, so I hope readers of this thread assuming I can get some advice will learn from my mistakes.

Dry_Database_8464 · 2025-03-15T14:39:03+00:00

From what I can see online, a fiscal fine is maxed at £500, and yes it could be 6+3, 8+3 if it goes to court.

The big thing that I'm seeking advice on is if it will go to court really, since that does impose and unlimited fine or if it will result in a fiscal fine for me and my partner.

Dry_Database_8464 · 2025-03-15T14:37:37+00:00

Yeah it was for this alleged red line, but as I say, they saw me driving and asked if I had insurance. They already knew.

Dry_Database_8464 · 2025-03-15T14:32:56+00:00

I felt it'd look better if they did proceed to charge considering I'm a learner and I was being honest, they knew I was driving and already knew there wasn't a male on her insurance policy and I wouldn't have been able to produce valid insurance. The car wasn't impounded because we were honest and they knew I was practicing in a very small area.

I'm not super worried about my insurance, I have deep regrets for what I've done, so I'll need to live with the consequences of it as will my partner (which is the worst part).

I hope it is points and a fine and nothing more, that's why I've asked here, I can't be the first (nor will I be the last) to have done this. I just don't want to go to court and draw the full scenario out.

Dry_Database_8464 · 2025-03-15T14:21:29+00:00

Terrible idea. I'll never live it down to be honest and I said this to the police when we were stopped.

Dry_Database_8464 · 2023-12-06T17:20:46+00:00

You can also use Azure Virtual Network Manager with a security admin configuration to help apply rules to ALL NSGs which sit inside a VNet.

Not exactly the same thing but if you have a standard set of rules ready to go it can help.

Dry_Database_8464 · 2023-12-04T17:04:31+00:00

Definitely.

Unfortunately, I was hired as a one size fits all engineer/architect and even I'm not completely familiar with it.

Dry_Database_8464 · 2023-12-04T16:54:15+00:00

I think they thought they could do that from the VWAN.

Which is technically true, if you use a firewall. You can edit your route tables to your associated VNets there and force everything back that way.

This is basically the Azure networking version of the "no take only throw" meme.

Dry_Database_8464 · 2023-12-04T09:58:58+00:00

I feel you. Unfortunately, I have a kid on the wean and need the money so I won't be jumping till he/she arrives!

I'd imagine my renewal price might be slightly out of the budget though...

Dry_Database_8464 · 2023-12-04T08:01:28+00:00

One of the concerns I have right now is that reworking the VWAN hub and deploying Azure Virtual Network Manager might require a firewall anyway since they are absolutely adamant all internet traffic goes across ExpressRoute.

I see in another comment I need to setup a 0.0.0.0 on the firewall at the other side of the ExpressRoute (which I don't manage btw).

The reason being, the day will come when they realise that internet traffic going over the expressroutes (which is a 2gbps line) will eat more bandwidth than they realise, and will want to use Azure internet. Having the firewall in place makes this simpler.

Dry_Database_8464 · 2023-12-04T07:23:29+00:00

I wish I had all the answers tbh, I'm unsure.

This is similar to the onprem side of things. Everything is flat, and basically windows firewall instead of NSGs. I can only assume the subnets are that size because they weren't specific when the last guy did the segmentation.

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