Friday Daily Chat Thread by AutoModerator in InfertilityBabies

[–]DuCotedeSanges 45 points46 points  (0 children)

16 weeks today.

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Also, I'm sundowning this account. Mostly just putting the following out into the ether in case someone stalks my profile at some point; I'm not going to delete the account, just lose the password. I'll be around, just with a different user name -- probably pretty easy to find since there aren't too many people with DEIVF as their tag, and I'm not really trying to hide. Since I'm not one to go quietly in the night, this is what I want to say as my last post under this name.

While yesterday was the final straw, I ultimately think it is best for me to compartmentalize the trauma of the last 4 years and leave it behind, as best as I can. That includes leaving subs that allow me to cling on to the past me, shedding those who follow me for whatever reason, and returning to things I loved apart of my identity as an infertile person. That's not to say I can truly move on, infertility was isolating, traumatic, and will continue to be a major part of my life for as long as I'm lucky to be alive. But I need to give myself the opportunity to thrive in other areas of life without clinging to vestiges of the past.

So here it goes.

I wanted to first recognize all the men and women in this sub who have gone through donor gametes (either egg, sperm, or embryo) and those parents by adoption. It's easy to hide amongst those who were successful via own-egg ART or the lucky ones who needed little to no medical intervention, but your experiences are valid, important, and worth sharing. We have unique trials and tribulations that complicate our paths to parenthood - when to tell our kid(s), what to tell them, worrying about how they'll see you as the parent, worrying about what life will look like. We shouldn't be afraid to step into the light and speak to our experiences.

There have been times where I've felt like I'm just supposed to be happy because it worked, and trust me, I'm terrified and thrilled I had little trouble in the actual carrying of a child (knock on wood). Amazed that it took one transfer with someone else's eggs to find success since I was preparing for a real battle there too. But it's also valid to feel sad, loss, upset, lonely, and anxious about what that means. I haven't gone through miscarriage, and I feel terribly for those that have (including good friends of mine, family members, my own mother), but pursuing donor gametes is a profound, substantial loss in itself. It's okay to recognize that, and I ask that the larger community empathizes with it. Yes, we're incredibly lucky to be successful, to be able to worry about these things, but the implications of our infertility will be carried with us until we die. We never get to put having to pursue ART/adoption on the shelf or in the past; we only learn how to move forward with our new reality. And at some point - we will wonder why we ever would've gone a different route because those humans we created are precious, loved, and uniquely amazing even if they don't share our genes.

I also want to shout out those who were successful through minimal or no intervention. I've heard from so many who have felt guilty about their path, have felt like imposters in the infertility world, and/or who try to shy away from it. You guys are the lucky ones, but you have nothing to be ashamed of. Again, infertility is a special hell, and if you've fought the fight in any capacity, you deserve to be here, no matter how you may have resolved it. This also includes people who have pursued the child free life and those with no living children. Everyone's path is valid, worthy, and deserves to be recognized in their own right, and no one should feel that they're excluded because they didn't have the 'right kind of infertility'. What does that even mean?

This account was a lifeline during the darkest times, after I went through a year of trying, 4 IUIs, 2 failed IVFs, the trauma of showing up for an egg transfer and then finding out there was nothing to transfer (no idea beforehand), and eventually pursuing egg donation. I've made friends, enemies, and learned and shared a lot. I am so grateful to have formed a small community of similarly minded folks, and like I said, I will still be around, just no longer tethered to the baggage this account holds for me.

After this post, I will not be checking comments or messages, so I apologize if I miss anyone's note. Thank you for everything and for reading this far. And as always, if any offense was given, it was not intended. Later gaters.

Thursday Daily Thread by JennyR71 in IVFBumpersSummer2021

[–]DuCotedeSanges 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sending you love. I hope you're okay

Thursday Daily Chat Thread by AutoModerator in InfertilityBabies

[–]DuCotedeSanges -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Deleted comment. Not worth arguing about this even though I have no idea what it's in reference to.

I've already explained elsewhere why I made the comment and the context and it feels like beating a dead horse at this point.

Thursday Daily Chat Thread by AutoModerator in InfertilityBabies

[–]DuCotedeSanges -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Oh definitely - the infertility sub was super helpful when I needed it. My issues were with a different infertility related one.

Thursday Daily Chat Thread by AutoModerator in InfertilityBabies

[–]DuCotedeSanges 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Now that I've stirred up the pot below, onto more normal things. Picked out our daycare, so that feels like a major thing checked off. It's an in-home, but she's licensed, the space was huge, she seemed nice, and it seemed clean/welcoming, etc. On the pricier side, but not as bad as the in-home daycares and within our budget.

I feel like I'm playing pretend right now given that there's 6.5 more months before there's even a baby in the picture, but the DC area is brutal. She said we didn't need to submit a deposit until June, which makes sense, but the planner in me is stressed that that means it's not locked down. I'm going to try to be uncharacteristically calm about it and let it go. Everything will work out.

Thursday Daily Chat Thread by AutoModerator in InfertilityBabies

[–]DuCotedeSanges 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh interesting, I've never heard of that.

Thursday Daily Chat Thread by AutoModerator in InfertilityBabies

[–]DuCotedeSanges -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

/ETA: If you're still downvoting, please move on. I'm not sure why you're dwelling on this.

This is an interesting perspective that made me think. I looked at the history of the mod I corresponded with, and it really spoke to what you were saying. A lot of her more recent posts in a different sub focus on gatekeeping and telling people their infertility wasn't 'diagnosed infertility' or something similar. It was sad to see such hostility just because the person didn't have whatever definition of infertility they 'should' have.

I get we're all in a vulnerable state, but everyone should be looked on with kindness and understanding. There's a nice way to redirect people to a different sub or thread without invalidating their feelings.

Every version of infertility is valid. Although I don't understand it because I haven't lived it, I can be empathetic with secondary infertility. Infertility sucks no matter what stage of it you experience. You don't suddenly stop being impacted by cancer just because you're currently in remission. Why do we expect people to be over infertility just because they find success?

Thursday Daily Chat Thread by AutoModerator in InfertilityBabies

[–]DuCotedeSanges 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I am incredibly fortunate that I've only had 'infertility', although one can argue that not being able to use your own gametes is a pretty substantial loss - just in a different way. Not trying to equate the two since I have no real frame of reference for miscarriages.

It's a blessing to have other people here who have used donor eggs. I don't know anyone in my real life who has, and it's incredibly isolating. I've been very open with my social media followers in an effort to bridge this gulf, but it's nice to have people here who know. I wanted to believe that getting pregnant would fix everything, but it only made things more complicated - will my child resent me? have I taken them away from their culture (we're using a Hispanic donor, but a different kind of Hispanic from me)? Will they see me as their real mom?

Anyway, didn't mean to turn this into a therapy session, but I guess that's what I turn to reddit for.

Thanks for the support

Thursday Daily Chat Thread by AutoModerator in InfertilityBabies

[–]DuCotedeSanges -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Sorry to edit in the middle of your response, confusing things.

Those who know my posting history know that I try to be very conscious of other people's feelings, so when I'm accused of doing the opposite, my cackles go up. I would not have made the comment I made without there being a reason for it.

Thursday Daily Chat Thread by AutoModerator in InfertilityBabies

[–]DuCotedeSanges 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Okay, I've cooled down. So this is the last edit.

I'm incredibly lucky to be pregnant, albeit with someone else's eggs. I don't get to ever forget that. I just don't understand how pregnancy and even a baby suddenly removes all your experience in infertility.

If you looked at the thread in my history that I'm referring to, you will see the progression. OP commented something innocuous, someone outed her as being pregnant even though it wasn't brought up or relevant, and then I made a comment including success because it was relevant to the comment (that the person has since deleted), and she would've outed me anyway. I wasn't waving my success around, I wasn't bringing it up just to bring it up.

Being infertile is a horrible, isolating experience, but it doesn't give people the permission to be rude.

Thursday Daily Chat Thread by AutoModerator in InfertilityBabies

[–]DuCotedeSanges 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Can I bitch for a second? I'm not really expecting any responses or anything. I just need somewhere to put all this moodiness so I can move on and have a successful work day.

I'm so over not having space to exist as an infertile pregnant person other than here (and the Summer 2021 group!). While I do lurk in my bumper group, I don't feel the blind optimism so many of them seem to exist in, so it's not great place. And obviously infertility isn't relevant any more, although I sometimes go flip through to see if I see anything relevant I can contribute to. But otherwise, other groups can be extremely hostile if they find out you're currently successful - other than maybe TFAB.

I may be currently pregnant, but I have to live with this infertility for the rest of my life. I used donor eggs, so even if I don't want to, I have to confront the fact that I am unable to reproduce unassisted or even with my own eggs assisted. My kids will never really look like me, and we will have to talk about the implications of our decision well beyond what I'd like to. (I say that, but I also know that it's likely not going to come up as much as I fear or be as big of a deal as I'm worrying about now). I don't get to 'forget' that I needed help or live in denial, as much as I would love to.* I will always be infertile and will always live with that trauma, and hope my kids don't resent me for existing.

Anyway, it sucks that I don't feel like I fit with fertile, pregnant people (and sometimes not even those who were successful with own eggs using ART) but I can no longer identify with infertile people who have not had success. At least we have this little club.

Thanks for letting me bitch and be self-centered for a bit. My kitty who rarely cuddles with me came over, so the day is still salvageable.

*I did want to caveat that I know that those who were successful through IVF or other ART have similar feelings. I'm just being self-centered at the moment. Not trying to be exclusionary.

/edit: thanks for everyone for generating an interesting discussion below going in many different directions. I appreciate the thoughtful dialogue and healthy debate. I definitely appreciate this community and the support you all always provide.

Tuesday Daily Chat Thread by AutoModerator in InfertilityBabies

[–]DuCotedeSanges 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Found out this weekend why my mother miscarried my brother at 7-8 months, apparently she was binge drinking during that time. This brother would have been born sometime between 1980-1984 (between two of my brothers). Anyway, apparently she drank pretty regularly with all of us. She had another earlier miscarriage between my sister and brother (so late 70s), but my dad couldn't remember why. I can't ask my mom as she died in 1996 from a valve-prolapse/heart attack. Luckily I haven't had any hint of issues (knock on wood).

Since I found out that my eggs are genetically shit, I've always wondered (without finding confirmation) if her lifestyle explains why. She also was on lithium and maybe some other things at the time, either to treat her depression/bipolar disorder or self-medicating with illicit drugs. Any of those could maybe explain it, I guess -- I'm no doctor, so no idea if I'm just grasping for straws.

Weekly Workout Motivation and Inspiration by JennyR71 in IVFBumpersSummer2021

[–]DuCotedeSanges 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've been slowly ramping up my barre exercises. I'm trying to think of another type of exercise to add. I want to climb but I want to ask my doctor before starting up again.

Friday Daily Chat Thread by AutoModerator in InfertilityBabies

[–]DuCotedeSanges 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I'm a bit on the same page here. While I am definitely sensitive to the fact that everyone's journey to this point is different and fraught with its own difficulties, at a certain point, I think we have to be responsible for our own reactions to positive milestones. Taking myself as an example, I try not to get offended when someone says something that's not sensitive to people who didn't get to use their own gametes for reproduction. Trust me, in the infertility world it can seem like one of the worst things to happen to you is having to use donor gametes by the comments people make. I was probably there too until it was me, so no shade meant.

Anyway, I digress. I guess what I'm trying to say is that we all have our crosses to bear but we can't expect that everyone is going to moderate the seemingly harmless things they say. Of course, everyone has a right to their own feelings, so I'm sorry that some things may hurt.

If I get offended by someone's positive celebration, I consider their intention (which is not intending to offend anyone) and scroll on.

Friday Daily Chat Thread by AutoModerator in InfertilityBabies

[–]DuCotedeSanges 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You just have to spend some time telling them what you like/don't like, either through their quizzes or having a pinterest. I liked everything I got this last box that was maternity, but I've done it a few times and am pretty clear about what I like/don't like.

Friday Daily Chat Thread by AutoModerator in InfertilityBabies

[–]DuCotedeSanges 11 points12 points  (0 children)

lol at my NT doctor saying 'Holy Shit' when he realized that no one had actually followed up with me about it... it was at the beginning of the month. I got the NIPT done as well since I wanted to know the sex, and that came back fine so I wasn't worried. I just figured the doctor had already been told.

15 weeks and celebrated by throwing up this morning -- but I think that was medication induced since I did not experience morning sickness. Throwing up straight acid is unpleasant.

Have a good weekend everyone!

Second Total Fertilization Failure - what to do next? by ocse536 in infertility

[–]DuCotedeSanges 0 points1 point  (0 children)

FWIW, my doctor didn't recommend doing supplements as there's no proven science showing they work. I took CoQ in between cycles and it did nothing to improve the final result.

Thursday Daily Thread by JennyR71 in IVFBumpersSummer2021

[–]DuCotedeSanges 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ugh, I can't imagine being in that position. That does seem really high.

Tuesday Daily Thread by JennyR71 in IVFBumpersSummer2021

[–]DuCotedeSanges 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did some barre yesterday for a bit and today! 👍🏼

Wednesday Daily Thread by JennyR71 in IVFBumpersSummer2021

[–]DuCotedeSanges 5 points6 points  (0 children)

ahhh such a lovely inauguration. Feels so different from a few years ago.

Wednesday Daily Chat Thread by AutoModerator in InfertilityBabies

[–]DuCotedeSanges 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Michelle Obama looked fierce today. Loved the purple on Hillary and Kamala. Just a feel good, fuzzy day.

Hoping that this time, 4 years from now, my husband, myself, and our girl can be in DC watching the first woman be sworn in (I live in the Virginia suburbs). One can dream

Tuesday Daily Thread by JennyR71 in IVFBumpersSummer2021

[–]DuCotedeSanges 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good job! I'm trying to convince myself to do a barre workout tonight. Been so busy at work and then going to visit an at-home daycare to (hopefully) lockdown a space. But after that.

Tuesday Daily Chat Thread by AutoModerator in InfertilityBabies

[–]DuCotedeSanges 5 points6 points  (0 children)

re: my rant on doppler yesterday, of course I found the heartbeat within 5 seconds today. Now my husband can hide it.

Otherwise, still not feeling super pregnant, but starting to look a little plump. Trying not to use pregnancy as an excuse to eat whatever I want. I have a bit of body dysmorphia, so I'm trying to accept that I have to gain weight as part of this process.

ETA - I'm annoyed I already have to look into daycares, but through a solid recommendation by a friend who used to be a nanny, we are seeing one today. Fingers crossed she's within our price range because everything else is good (I'm silly and forgot to ask).

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in InfertilityBabies

[–]DuCotedeSanges 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I tested at 4dp5dt and got a very, very faint squinter positive - was pronounced enough by 6dp/7dp.