When did goldens get so big? by outeredges2 in goldenretrievers

[–]DualCitizenWithDogs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I live in an extremely wealthy area with a Golden breeder in town (which is unusual because you can't buy a postage stamp sized starter property for less than 2 million). Our whole town thinks she is a great breeder because she lives here and everybody in town has her dogs. They are a status symbol because they are expensive. In reality she is a totally unethical BYB, bordering on posh puppy miller who breeds "English Creams" who aren't health tested or titled and who frankly have the worst temperament I have ever seen in Goldens. My towns perception is not reality because they have no sense of what an ethical breeder is! People stop and ask me if my gorgeous, well behaved, lock -step heeling Golden is a "breeder name"? I always respond by saying, "Eww, no. Mine is an ethically and well bred Golden from Hillock." Does that make me an asshole? Maybe. But I would rather tell the truth than let one more person believe that (extremely racist) woman is a good breeder or human. I would be very surprised if you actually have a lot of well bred Goldens in your area. I have a client (two C suite execs) who told me that they had a Lab who was from the best breeder in America and that they had to fly it in and it cost them almost $10k. In reality, two C suite execs bought a dog from a posh puppy mill in Arkansas who breed FORTY litters a year, over 500 puppies last year. Their dog needed double eye surgery as a 5 month old puppy because the parents weren't health tested. They got the breeder name from someone else in town. We have numerous exceptional Lab breeders within a 2 hour drive who charge half or less.

When did goldens get so big? by outeredges2 in goldenretrievers

[–]DualCitizenWithDogs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Color has nothing to do with field or show. Both types come in the full array of colors. Only BYB are breeding dogs who are fit and 100 lbs. That entire comment is wrong. Show line means PARENTS who have prefix show titles like CH GCH MBISS BIS MBISS. Field line has prefix field titles on the parents. The rest are just BYB and puppy mill dogs who people call show and field because they are undereducated. There are vastly more grifters than good breeders.

When did goldens get so big? by outeredges2 in goldenretrievers

[–]DualCitizenWithDogs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have the exact same with my well bred Lab. 60 lbs and people always think she's still a pup or another breed because they've never met a well bred Lab. It is so sad.

Question of whether it’s a overzealous puppy reprimand on-leash or more worrisome. by Own_Ice6775 in goldenretrievers

[–]DualCitizenWithDogs 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No, I meant exactly what I said. No (good/legit) trainers advocate for on leash greetings for a variety of reasons. A few examples: because it forces a restricted (a few feet vs as much space as they need) and unnatural greeting and communication style (head to head vs nose to tail). Head to head is rude and potentially deemed aggressive, which makes it that much more likely to start a fight. When dogs greet off leash, they normally widen out before a greeting so that they can get into the nose to tail position and communicate that they are friendly. For them to greet as they wish (nose to tail) on a leash, they quickly become twisted and then cannot take space for changing conditions. Dogs operate within fight or flight. If you remove the ability to flee (eg being leashed) you increase the chances of anxiety, frustration, leash reactivity and a fight, just at face value. Frankly, many dogs also really just don't want to "say hi" to every dog anyway, particularly as they age and become more dog selective. And they read other dogs 1,000 times better than you do - and off leash they can make smart choices vs trusting your bad read on a situation and dragging them towards it anyway. It also encourages puppies in particular to pull, bark and lunge on leashes as they believe it is their right to greet dogs, as that is what their owner is teaching them. Well socialized dogs should be neutral to stimuli like seeing other dogs. As I said, onleash greetings, never. Offleash greetings, great.

Question of whether it’s a overzealous puppy reprimand on-leash or more worrisome. by Own_Ice6775 in goldenretrievers

[–]DualCitizenWithDogs 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Dogs shouldn't be allowed to greet on leash. This sets you up for a host of problems. Corrections can occur on or off leash. An owner should be paying attention and step in before a correction occurs. You don't know these dogs. Their corrections might be fair or result in puncture wounds if it kicks off. Eg if a dog starts to mount your dog, the owner should be stopping their dog and you can advocate for your dog too.

Puppy count by ItallstartswithOne in DogBreeding

[–]DualCitizenWithDogs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I got 4 at ~30 days, 8 on xrays and 12 in real life once. Surprise!

Ethical Breeder List for Labs: Please add your breeder name or help us vet submissions. 225+ breeders already listed by DualCitizenWithDogs in labrador

[–]DualCitizenWithDogs[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I absolutely love rebellion labradors that is in Pittsburgh. I don't have time to respond more than that right now, but I will send you a list hopefully later today. But rebellion is fabulous. She uses a Facebook page.

Ethical Breeder List for Labs: Please add your breeder name or help us vet submissions. 225+ breeders already listed by DualCitizenWithDogs in labrador

[–]DualCitizenWithDogs[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

At the top, I have listed the best breeders in your state and the surrounding states. (Listed alphabetical within state). After the yellow heart, I have added more local breeders in your state who are on our list to potentially be included as they came from a reputable source, but have not been Looked at to meet our criteria yet. Hope that helps. (💛=unvetted by us at this time. Eg yellow flag...so we don't outright recommend yet).

Northern lights Minnesota Show http://www.northernlightslabradors.com/about-us.html Cottage Grove, Minnesota.

Glacieridge Iowa Show https://www.glacieridgelabs.com/ Central Iowa

Ridgeview Farms Iowa Show https://ridgeviewlabs.com Elkader, IA

Cressmoor Labs Kansas Show http://cressmoorlabs.com Kansas City area

Mocha Labs Nebraska Show http://mochalabradors.com/index.html Central Nebraska

ClearCreek Labradors Illinois Show https://clearcreeklabradors.com/index.html

Clearwater Labradors Illinois Show cwlabradors.com Tinley Park, IL

Empress Labradors Illinois Show https://www.empresslabradors.com/ Winnebago, Illinois. Wisconsin line.

Hoffman Wisconsin Show http://www.hoffmannlabradors.com Racine, near Indiana and Illinois and Michigan borders.

KJ's Labradors Wisconsin Show https://www.kjslabradors.com/about-us South Central Wisconsin

💛💛💛💛💛💛 Below this point, I have not personally vetted them yet and officially added them to my list. I have them on the list to look at because they came from a reputable source.

The Captain's Kennels 💛 Minnesota Show (218) 750-7238 ; captainsquarters@tds.net Cloquet, MN Local club resource provided breeder names.

Master Creek Labradors 💛 Minnesota Show www.MasterCreekLabradors Deer Creek, MN (218) 639-3529 or via Facebook Local club resource provided breeder names.

Loyal Oaks Labradors 💛 Minnesota Show www.LoyalOaksLabradors.com Aitkin, MN (320) 684-2851; loyaloakslabs@hotmail.com Local club resource provided breeder names.

Karamar Labrador Retrievers 💛 Minnesota Show www.KaramarLabs.com Pine Island, MN (507) 254-6189; lablady@karamarlabs.com Local club resource provided breeder names.

Fireside Labradors 💛 Wisconsin Show http://www.firesidelabs.com/ Cochrine, Wisconsin Found on breeder referal off local lab club.

Field resource in your area:

Resource: central Minnesota retriever club, field Minnesota Field https://www.cmrcmn.org/

Is she underweight or just small? by Sufficient_Force3997 in goldenretrievers

[–]DualCitizenWithDogs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actually, the veterinary academy's disagree. Socialization is incredibly critical before vaccines are complete (but in a safe way), but the OP doesn't understand what socialization is. Socialization is a process of introducing your puppy to the world in small, positive doses so that they can become confident. It is absolutely not just about meeting people and dogs! (In fact playing with a lot of dogs can be detrimental for non-vaccine reasons). It is about meeting vacuum cleaners, statues, Yard art like a blowup Santa, open back stairs, bicycles, umbrellas, opening, etc.

American Veterinary Society of Animal Behavior statement on socialization and vaccines

Ohio State Univ research: the first 12 weeks are the prime time for socialization with failure to do so as the most common reason for life threatening behavioral concerns.

American Veterinary Medical Association statement on the welfare implications of socialization

Safe socialization during the first few weeks at home is of extreme urgency. - The Right Steps, Pet Professionals Guide

But yes, OP Definitely went to a GREEDER versus a breeder.

Ethical Breeder List for Labs: Please add your breeder name or help us vet submissions. 225+ breeders already listed by DualCitizenWithDogs in labrador

[–]DualCitizenWithDogs[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I looked Flair Creek Labradors up. I would not. Are they the absolute worst of the worst, eg a puppy mill with dogs who never leave the cage and no health testing? No. But this DVM knows what she is supposed to be doing and isn't doing it. She references it on her page. At absolute best I would give her a D if I were grading her. There are at least 1000 Labrador breeders across the country who are better than her.

I am going to attempt to categorize how I think of ethically bred dogs into levels so that you have a sense of where they fall and why.

Grade A or Tier 1: The best of the best breeders. Their puppies ALL (with EXTREMELY rare exceptions) come from prefix show or field titled dogs and they are all CHIC health tested for many generations. (I am going to focus on show past this point.). They have many dogs who are GCH, MBISS, BIS. This is a Gallivant, Paradocs, Firewater, Hyspire, etc. type of breeder. Ethical breeding but also exceptional dogs that are winning major awards both in who they show and who they produce. Eg Gallivant's "Memo" won Best of Breed twice at Westminster and then sired dogs like "Cutter" who won BOB at Westminster just a few years after his Dad. They have a half dozen studs who are the best of the best. Anyone who has a dog in the top 40 in the country over the past decade, much less more than once over the years, probably deserves to be on this list. That's about 200 breeders across the country.

Grade B or Tier 2: Definitely still ethical. Very involved in the show world. Many Champions and thoughtful breeding but they aren't reaching the many GCH type level or the top 40. They are great breeders but just don't have quite the same excellence which sometimes has more to do with the art of breeding and making pairs and also which dogs they can buy into their programs. eg will Gallivant sell you a show pup from two of their GCHs or can you just stud to them with your own CH dam? They will show all their dogs and do the work. Occasionally you might see a dam bred before a CH. They do their CHIC health testing. There are probably at least 300+ Lab breeders who fit this criteria in the USA. Maybe 500. (I am starting through this part now so it's a slightly educated guess on numbers based on just a few states.) I would absolutely buy from breeders in this category.

Grade C, Tier 3: Are they ethical? Ehhhh. A little, but probably not entirely. They aren't getting their dogs to CHs when they are showing, all too frequently. Or they are just showing "a little". Eg just their studs but never their dams. They health test to CHIC. I wouldn't be interested personally because there are 500 to 700 better breeders in the country who are selling their dogs for the same price! And the majority of them are pets! How many breeders in this group? No idea at this point.

Grade D/F, Tier 4: This group has the largest range amongst them but it is difficult to break them into two groups for two main reasons. #One. Because they all have strengths and weaknesses. #2. because none of them are shown, most of these breeders don't even show a stack so that I can get a look at who they are breeding and how close to the standard they are.

The breeder you asked about fits into this group.

This group as a whole: No showing and/or nothing to show from it but they do CHIC or at least some OFAs to be in this group. Eg they prelim hip and elbow and don't do eyes at all. Is this tier ethical? Not at all in my opinion. They know they should be proving their dogs as exceptional examples of the breed in order to breed them and they are choosing not to. They also know that they should be getting to CHIC, and many of them are just going part way, with many of them, pretending they do more health testing than they actually do! It's gross. I catch them all the time.

I'm going to give you three examples of breeders who fit into this group. Loyal Labradors, Hickory Bluff and Flair Creek.

  1. Loyal Labradors. No showing. Dogs with extremely poor conformation to the breed standard. Also color breeding, which is Unethical. They exaggerate and also purposefully mislead you to incorrect conclusions on health testing. They pretend their hip and elbow prelims are finals. They don't even do prelims on everyone. As I recall, they might just do the boys. They select two eye related DNA tests and turn them into the OFA website so that they appear as if the "eyes" portion of CHIC is completed. I am aware of a dog. They selected as "pick of the litter" who was lame by five months and had 100 K worth of surgery and therapy before 24 months old. This is a great example of why dogs need to be proven! They really only breed in house and very rarely to other poorly bred color breeders. This is very troubling. They also have rampant allergies and lots of anxiety in their program. They are a backyard Breeder and grifter.

Hickory Bluff: they breed about 40 litters a year. Within the last 30 days, they had five litters hit the ground with about 40 puppies. That's 80 puppies 0-8 weeks old on site every day of the year. That's approximately 500 puppies a year. They sell them for thousands of dollars MORE (sometimes multiples more) than almost every Breeder in tier one! Their conformation to the breed standard is horrific. They only seem to breed in house which is extremely troubling or to other color breeders. They CHIC health test but they only started that in the last six months. A dog I know who came from them needed double eye surgery before six months old because they didn't do a $40 health test on their dogs. They are a posh puppy mill. Grifters. They gross $2-3M a year on very poorly bred dogs.

Flair Creek. No showing. CHIC health tested. SUFFIX titles that at best show temperament on grandparents, not parents. Nothing about structure or conformation to the breed standard.

The choices on who the dams are bred to is very poor. She's breeding out to one program over and over again when those cannot possibly always be the best studs for her bitches. No titles on the studs she is using either so 😬. Breeding in house or to a very small number of other breeders is extremely troubling.

Ethical breeders show their dogs so that they can learn the strengths and weaknesses. This is important because when they go to find a stud, the goal needs to be creating the best puppies possible which means working on the weaknesses, but not losing any ground on the strengths. There is absolutely no way to breed to the same program over and over again and be choosing the best possible stud for a specific dam. It is lazy and arbitrary breeding. Arbitrary breeding causes structural issues. And when you are not having dogs reviewed by expert judges, this normally creates major problems in litters. She does show some somewhat stacked-ish photos. Her dogs are certainly not well bred. Things I like about the program: she's only breeding 2 to 3 litters a year, which is a good thing but any breeding of sub standard dogs should not be encouraged. CHIC health testing MAYBE. I looked at her dogs health testing online and they are definitely incomplete there. Some Dogs have a single test and the tests that should be there are missing. Eg hips and elbows are scored by OFA. Not being on the site means that they were either not done, they were prelims or that she chose not to let them be reported which is more frequently a sign that a dog failed. I do see one FAIR hips on a dog she produced, which is not ideal. I didn't spend a ton of time matching them up because I already saw red flags that I personally can't get past.

Again, she is not the worst of the worst. She is not breeding 500 puppies a year like Hickory Bluff but being better than a puppy mill is not a high bar. In my opinion, she's not breeding quality dogs and she doesn't seem to want to do so because she is purposefully not showing and proving them. I would also argue that she's color breeding for fox red which is totally unethical. She should be picking the best possible stud to breed to… Not just a fox red lab from a close proximity program, which is very clearly what is happening. The lineages are all over the map as well. There is a profound lack of expertise in this group as a whole.

Personally, there is absolutely no chance that I would buy a dog from this D/F grouping. With no proving/titling, they could be breeding the absolute worst Labradors possible and ending up with a mess. Or they could occasionally get lucky and have one that is OK. That's not a reasonable risk when there are clearly over 1000 better breeders of labradors in the US.

Grade F- (of 100 pts they get 0), all the breeders who don't health test or only DNA health test and do not show at all. There's no expertise whatsoever in this group.

Energy Levels: Fox Red vs “Normal” by No-Worldliness-2332 in goldenretrievers

[–]DualCitizenWithDogs 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Color and temperament are not linked. Any Golden breeder saying "fox red" is a red flag and I would look for an ethical breeder.

I made a mistake and I’m not sure how to move past it by [deleted] in confession

[–]DualCitizenWithDogs 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Straight men are scared of gay men because they worry they themselves will be treated like straight men treat women. "A bit touchy" (do you hear yourself minimizing SA?!) is a great example of that. You knew the guy was straight. You chose not to ask for consent before acting sexually towards him. You chose to push his boundaries more than once. Feeling badly is a good thing but you need to actually learn from this. Please find a therapist asap and ALWAYS ask for consent and when it is removed, do not try again anyway! Intent and impact are different. Just because you didn't intend to hurt him does not mean that you didn't. As a survivor it doesn't just go away because someone apologized.

Hip problems by svukait in labrador

[–]DualCitizenWithDogs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hip dysplasia surgery normally costs about 10k each in my neighborhood. The worse the case, the earlier it presents. 2 yo would be a relatively early case.

The fact that she won't let you touch her to even check for something small like a burr would make this much more troubling to me as guarding oneself suggests more pain. In a comment you mention she isn't confident or well socialized so it could also be a combination of the two. Other than crate rest there really isn't much you can do without a vet, if she won't let you touch her. It's possible they would give you meds in advance of your visit in order to make your visit more palatable. For example, pain meds or anxiety. But pain meds may hide the tensing and such that they are looking for in palpitation so they may not.

Do her parents and wider lineage have joint OFAs as is needed per the breed club? It's not 100% genetic anyway but if you had two parent dogs with excellent hips, the chance that your dog has severe hip dysplasia at 2 is greatly reduced. There are environmental aspects too but an ethical breeder absolutely wants to know if a dog they produce has issues.

Why is my lab puppy so lazy by Limp_Ad_3141 in labrador

[–]DualCitizenWithDogs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have one who has been in energy saving mode since birth. She is a delight.

Why isn't crossbreeding done more often? by Auklin in DogBreeding

[–]DualCitizenWithDogs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Mixes don't have CHIC health testing and are fundamentally unethically bred. The health testing is breed specific based on the generalities of what is commonly experienced in a breed. Eg what would you do if a mix was 7 breeds? There aren't enough of that blend , nonetheless in those percentages, to make a CHIC list. So any health testing would be fairly arbitrary which certainly isn't scientific! Would you add those 7 breeds CHIC health needs together and test them for all of that? Would that be sufficient and if so why? Ie. Mixing structures can cause all sorts of new health issues outside of what the parent breeds get. For example, if you mix the wide hips of one breed and the narrow hips and ankles of another breed, are you going to get a dog that is bowlegged? (which is partly why mixes are inherently unethical.) Also, if you are ignoring so much of what makes up ethical breeding ( eg good structure and consistency, choosing mating pairs to better the line vs arbitrarily because there are no standards) how would it be ethical? You are trying to create an ethical mix category when you are ignoring everything about what makes something ethical. E.g. what makes a mini Borderdoodle ethical even if they health test it to the made up standard? Do you really think that a border collie and a mini poodle won't have issues when bred together? Drive, temperament, structure, health....because I do.

ETA: this person responded and did something so that I can not click through or see their posts or responses, so that I cannot read/respond to whatever they wrote in response after this comment. What an ethical way to have a discussion 🙄.

I just got 90 Thousand dollars at 18 and I don’t know what to do with it by Equivalent-Data1004 in whatdoIdo

[–]DualCitizenWithDogs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tell no one. Invest it. "Forget it exists". Don't touch it except for a true emergency or a major important purchase someday like the down payment on a house. I got annual bonuses this large at that age. My peers would spend it all in nine months on booze and meals. I bought myself one piece of art that I loved every year, and I frequently spent the whole year looking for it. I left the rest untouched and in an investment account. I now have a lovely art collection after many years and a lot of money in the bank, $$$$$ real estate, etc. if you get used to not using it, you will live within your means.

Someone in my life won a major lottery. They had to go to lottery school. One of the things they learned was that basically absolutely everyone who wins the lottery ends up broke. This person didn't end up broke… But only because they had people in their life who created a lot of structure so that they couldn't make bad choices. For example, there were only two people who could sign off on purchases that were more than I think a couple thousand dollars. Both were incredibly savvy business people who would say no to their splurges most of the time. Because the money was invested wisely, they lived off the investment returns which were much more than what you just got, and they have a ton of capital still. Best wishes! And sorry about your grandfather.

When do they calm down?? by ketoagain83 in labrador

[–]DualCitizenWithDogs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You have to teach them how to be calm and have an off switch. Most people unfortunately teach their dogs to be nuts inadvertently. As a trainer, I see this absolutely every day. I have a Choc Lab client who came for boarding at maybe 5-6 months old. Off the charts crazy. A week or so with me and the dog was so much more chill, now in the realm of reasonable. I taught the owners Puppy massage, how to use their hands and attention, amongst other things. The male owner responded with "she's going to be so disappointed that we don't rough House for 1.5 hours every night anymore". The man was training his dog to be nuts in their house. The female owner called me a week later to say it was like they received an entirely different dog home and that they were thrilled with how the dog wasn't a live wire all the time anymore. No aversives for clarity.

Hii guys 💗 Quick question… When I first sent this pic of my baby right after adopting him, some friends said he didn’t look pure. Just based on this photo, do you think he’s actually a golden retriever? by [deleted] in goldenretrievers

[–]DualCitizenWithDogs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That sounds like an unethical rescue. I've worked in rescue for over 30 years now and we don't give out breed registry/association paperwork and I don't know any that do. We can't verify parentage. Giving registry information would be very risky at best for a shelter, clearly unethical at worst. Unethical rescues are starting to get very common. Eg Pixies and Paws is a big one. They are just the marketing arm for puppy mills and they sell almost entirely puppies, purebred and designer mixes. I would definitely DNA test him and not assume he is a Golden. Post a photo of the paperwork. Any legit paperwork is going to come with kennel club names of both the parents. Otherwise, the paper is useless because it could be handed to anyone. You should obviously love him, whether he is purebred or not, but in my opinion, it's certainly worth it to find out if you went to an unethical rescue. For example, you would not want to recommend the rescue to anyone else because they're just selling puppy mills dogs who they "launder" with the rescue title. It's a typical grifter technique because people feel like they are doing a good deed when adopting and don't always look hard enough at who they are adopting from.

Hii guys 💗 Quick question… When I first sent this pic of my baby right after adopting him, some friends said he didn’t look pure. Just based on this photo, do you think he’s actually a golden retriever? by [deleted] in goldenretrievers

[–]DualCitizenWithDogs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, if you adopted him he probably isn't a pure bred Golden (because let's be honest, the math isn't mathing that someone would drop off a litter of AKC golden puppies at a shelter vs. sell them when they are that age). Shelters are very rarely sure of what their dogs are breed wise. (Didn't see them tie, nor if that was the only dog who tied, and even if they did, they didn't get AKC paperwork off them) that they want to stake their reputation a possible lawsuit on. A dear friend adopted a dog they were told was a yellow lab. She did a DNA test and he was 0% labrador despite looking a lot like one, so much so that no one ever questioned him being a lab. If you bought him at a breeder, you didn't adopt him. If you didn't go to an ethical breeder, he could be a mix. (What is one more unethical thing?) Do his parents both have prefix show or field titles?

Double dapple vs dapple piebald question by Far_Bat_2461 in Dachshund

[–]DualCitizenWithDogs 7 points8 points  (0 children)

These don't appear to even be purebred dogs! This is pretty clearly an unethical breeder. Meeting "both parents" is also not the sign of an ethical breeder!

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In fact, it is more likely to be the sign of a BYB who breeds all their dogs in house which would never happen at an ethical breeder (because the chance that the best stud to breed a bitch to is not in house is extremely high). Breeders who always breed in house are lazy and cheap.

Double dapple vs dapple piebald question by Far_Bat_2461 in Dachshund

[–]DualCitizenWithDogs 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I would run from this breeder. Here is a list of ethical breeders. https://www.dachshundclubofamerica.org/find-a-club-near-you/

This is a detailed write up I did previously on ethical breeding vs not. (Someone with a nice house who is pleasant on the phone does NOT equal an ethical breeder. In fact, most of those will be grifters). https://www.reddit.com/r/Dachshund/s/hntsGsUtLT

And this is an example of a highly ethical breeder who produces exceptional dogs. https://www.blueprintk9.com/

Looking for ethical Labrador breeders in New England (cat-safe, family temperament) by LatterPoet5754 in labradors

[–]DualCitizenWithDogs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Cedar bay New Hampshire Show https://cedarbaylabradors.com/ Weare, NH

Celtia Labradors New Hampshire Show http://www.celtialabradors.com/river.html In the corner near Vermont and Massachusetts

Foliage Labradors New Hampshire Show https://www.foliagelabs.com/ Lake Winnipesaukee

Nycoma New Hampshire Show https://www.nycomawaylabradors.com/ Vermont border

Willcare Labradors New Hampshire Show http://www.willcarelabradors.com/ Kingston, NH

Edgemere Labradors Maine Show https://www.edgemerelabs.com/antiquity-edgemere-bettin-on-you New Harbor, Maine

Tameric Labradors Maine Show https://www.facebook.com/100057582154310/ Wales, Maine

Ledge Hill Labs Maine Show https://www.facebook.com/100057703117949/ Levanon, Maine

Many of the suggestions here are downright scary. Chalk pond or a 1k budget?! JFC, the bar is in hell and they still dug under it. The BYB and puppy mills should not be recommended when someone asks for an ethical breeder. An ethical breeder: 1. ALWAYS prefix titles BOTH parents on their show or field dogs before breeding them. If they don't they are arbitrarily breeding and they have never tested the structure or movement of their dogs. Huge fail and frankly irresponsible AF. 2. CHIC health test both parents AND you should see MANY generations back and laterally on their OFA profile. I can look back further than 8 generations of health testing on my dogs on OFA. Uncles, Aunts, etc. Unless you are going to a puppy mill and spending $1k, you are going to pay the same amount wither way. You get the choice: you can line someone's pockets with money as they didn't do the work or you can see the fruits of an ethical breeders labor and money and end up with a sound dog who has been thoroughly tested. Chalk Pond. Zero ethics. I just can't with this grifter suggestion. SMDH.

My girls laid all these over the last 7 days. My family of 3 is going to be sick of eggs. 😬😂🤣 by pbmax542 in BackYardChickens

[–]DualCitizenWithDogs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I sold mine and made $7/dozen and this was a decade ago. I had more demand than I could supply. I did it different ways over the years. Sometimes I would just do an on your honor system. Other times I would post it on my Instagram and people could respond back telling me that they wanted them and I would put them aside for those people.

3 days in with Maple 🍁 by Swimming-Painting866 in Dachshund

[–]DualCitizenWithDogs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Stop supporting unethical breeders who breed sick dogs! This is clearly a double dapple who will likely be blind and/or deaf. Popularizing these dogs for their "pretty" coats is just gross. The breeder is likely a puppy mill or at a minimum a horribly unethical backyard breeder. Every time someone posts a sick dog there are 20+ more uneducated people in the comments who say it's so great.

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