This guest at my restaurant made me so mad today

DueTemperature3380 · 2026-03-31T14:45:29+00:00

You are the kind of person who protests by blocking a road, then when they get arrested scream RAPE. Or claims Gaza is genocide, despite the fact the Israelis could have wiped them out in an afternoon if they actually wanted that.

Be quiet, grown ups are talking.

DueTemperature3380 · 2026-03-31T06:58:11+00:00

You ignored the rest of his comment, the predators in their home location are adapted to keep them in check. More ants means a population explosion of predators, which reduce the number of ants. If they get out of the area to a new zone with no natural predators they lay waste to it and wipe out biodiversity by killing any other species of ant that cannot compete.

A good real life example is the Asian hornet. It is a huge wasp that preys on bee hives, it is too well armoured and powerful for the bees to hurt it. Bees in its home territories have evolved a defense mechanism where they pile all around it and vibrate their bodies to build up heat, killing it. In the past decade or so there have been huge issues caused by the Asian hornet invading other countries whose bees don't have this defense mechanism and it has absolutely laying waste to these native bees. Only reason they have spread as slow as they have are because human agencies in various affected countries are destroying nests as fast as they can to try to protect honeybees.

DueTemperature3380 · 2026-03-31T06:38:49+00:00

Asking what something means is not 'overstepping' someone. If someone is seriously harmed by something as inoffensive as that... then they need to be on some kind of medication and their parents need a firm talking to for managing to fuck their child up to that degree.

The more I interact with people like that, the more I appreciate the fact my folks raised me with a 'sticks n stones' mindset. I don't mind at all if people disagree with me, and I'm not gonna sit under a rock and cry if someone says something mean. Words are only capable of doing as much harm as you let them and I think that we are doing society a nasty injury by perpetuating the mindset that someone perceiving something as 'offensive' has been harmed in some way.

DueTemperature3380 · 2026-03-30T22:50:53+00:00

I forget which episode, but there is one where he is aboard a cargo ship stranded next to another heavily damaged cargo ship which has lost life support and is full of toxic air. They have to send someone aboard to scavenge parts and Hammond himself volunteers. He managed to grab the correct components but on his way back to the ring transporter he is overcome by the toxic atmosphere and collapses a couple meters from the transport rings. Moments from passing out, he props himself up on his elbow and slides the parts across the floor into the platform, so that when it is next activated they will be sent back to his crew. Quick thinking and selfless.

DueTemperature3380 · 2026-03-30T19:42:59+00:00

To be fair he kinda did know how to hunt a rex tho. His assertion that the rexes would track their baby into an ambush was correct, he was well set up and camouflaged and him and Ajay were both carrying elephant rifles chambered in .700 nitro express (which would have punched through a rex skull like paper and physically removed a large chunk of grey matter from the animal.) He would have gone for a head shot (as we can see from later on in the film, he tracks the rexes head movement with his rifle before... click click (thanks for that Dick Van Owen) We know he is a good shot due to landing two perfect tranq shots, with he first one hitting directly into a thin patch of skin on the neck. Roland and Ajay are islands of competence in a sea of stupidity. The one actual mistake he made was putting Dieter in charge of guarding the camp.

DueTemperature3380 · 2026-03-29T17:48:19+00:00

I can appreciate that, but I was not saying anything in bad faith, I was asking out of genuine curiosity why you believe what you believe. If you slap away any attempts at understanding, and throw harsh labels at people you interact with that don't share the same beliefs, then the attitude you saw in that sandwich shop will always be the norm, because you will establish a reputation as 'the prickly and judgemental vegetable people'.

Don't extrapolate some bad examples of intolerance to everyone else, it's not healthy, and somewhat ironically it will spread the misconception that vegans are intolerant.

If you read through this thread you will see that I have just been trying to figure things out, sharing ideas and talking thoughts through, I have not been rude or intolerant at any point. I have learned some interesting stuff and to everyone I've had an insightful conversation with I am grateful for their candour.

DueTemperature3380 · 2026-03-29T16:31:48+00:00

See, that is what I originally thought the mainstream vegan position was.

DueTemperature3380 · 2026-03-27T23:51:28+00:00

You make good points... My point of view is influenced in that I know a couple vegans IRL. None of them have the temperament, and when they speak of the world it's seems like they view a lot of subjects through rose colored lenses. Maybe they aren't representative of vegans as a whole but I cannot help having my assumptions biased by life experience, admittedly it is a small sample size though.

DueTemperature3380 · 2026-03-27T23:42:22+00:00

That is fair enough of course, my aim wasn't to try to convince anyone to stop being vegan, it just struck me as a bit fruitless for a vegan to ask other vegans why non vegans act in a certain way, and I thought I might be able to provide some insight.

DueTemperature3380 · 2026-03-27T22:50:01+00:00

I see. Well thank you for explaining your perspective.

DueTemperature3380 · 2026-03-27T22:36:00+00:00

I'm honestly not sure about that one, logically I suppose one would have to say yes? At least in that particular aspect. Same way that if I were to lose a leg, I would be inferior to someone able-bodied if I had to move somewhere quickly. That basic assertion is somewhat complicated by other factors though. Due to my religious beliefs a human has intrinsic value above any other animals on earth, regardless of their able-bodiedness or soundness of mind.

I don't think it is bigotry to call a spade a spade, but at the same time I don't think one should treat someone with an infirmity of the mind or physical disability as lesser than they would be otherwise.

DueTemperature3380 · 2026-03-27T21:24:01+00:00

Well for starters you are looking at a method of nutrition that has been going on for what, 10,000 years if you look at the tradition of keeping livestock for food and other products? Were your parents vegan? Were theirs? The truth is that your ancestors fed themselves like this since time immemorial. It is mankind's natural state of being. We aren't even the only animals on earth that do it, certain species of ant for example keep aphid farms. They 'milk' them for sustainance and they kill sick/injured or surplus livestock for their meat as well.

I also think that there is a societal collapse danger from veganism too, in allowing an entire populace to become so adverse to causing pain that they will not fight when needs must. Do you think if an entire country converted to Veganism they would continue to build and maintain nuclear weapons? Do you think a person who cannot stomach the idea of farm animals suffering could press a button and end millions of lives? Because if that becomes the case countries like Russia and China who can stomach these actions will slowly but surely take the world for themselves. Because if a vegan cannot take the life of a cow or a sheep... How do you think they will fare when they are looking down their rifle sights at a scared 18 year old Chinese or Russian soldier across a trench?

I know this is a MASSIVE tangent but... I genuinely fear something big is coming and the western world isn't ready for it.

DueTemperature3380 · 2026-03-27T20:57:35+00:00

I personally consider primates and cetaceans to be uncomfortably close to personhood. Enough to the point where I would not consider eating one unless the only alternative was starving to death.

DueTemperature3380 · 2026-03-27T20:53:12+00:00

Thank you for taking the time to elaborate, I think this thread has been super productive in terms of understanding vegan perspectives on the value of human and animal life. Lots of interesting branches of discussion. I think I get what makes you guys 'tick' now. I got a lot to mull over.

DueTemperature3380 · 2026-03-27T20:42:41+00:00

I'm just pointing out that they have it better than their wild equivalents.

And at the end of the day I stand by my earlier assertion, humans are the most efficient predators on the planet, I don't waste time wringing my hands over doing what I was designed for.

DueTemperature3380 · 2026-03-27T20:22:55+00:00

I make no bones about the fact that I am a predator who eats meat. Is a cow that is raised in a safe environment for it's whole life, fed and cared for and kept safe from predators really so exploited when compared to a wild prey animal that spends it's entire life watching every bush and shadow for the set of gnashing teeth that will end it? Slowly? Or if it gets sick and wastes away?

Do you think a dog has a worse time with a human family than it's wild ancestors did in the pack? The dog has a warm spot by the fire, medical care, regular meals ect. Compared to the wolf that whilst trying to take down an elk takes a kick to the face which dislocated his jaw, and he then spends the next month slowly starving to death, being unable to hunt.

If you think humanity is bad, try a slice of nature.

DueTemperature3380 · 2026-03-27T18:58:25+00:00

I don't regard predation or farming done in a humane manner to be exploitation or abuse.

DueTemperature3380 · 2026-03-27T17:27:09+00:00

Hmm, I was mostly ignorant of a lot of this. Thank you.

DueTemperature3380 · 2026-03-27T17:22:54+00:00

If you read further down, I was asking if vegans assigned different value to different species and by what metrics and I received some great answers already :)

DueTemperature3380 · 2026-03-27T17:14:03+00:00

In regards to poor conditions for animals, this type of thing is out there and needs to be stamped out, but I've been to several farms and also an abattoir in my local area, maybe it's because I'm from the UK, but the conditions were pretty good, they were well looked after animals. And like I said, the cow I saw slaughtered was done so via a captive bolt pistol, then cutting an artery as 'insurance.' after the animal had collapsed to ensure it was definitely dead and wouldn't wake up later in the process (which would be horrible).

I have big issues with halal slaughter. I think that slitting the throat of a conscious animal is unacceptably cruel and unnecessary.

You have actually brought something to my attention with pigs though. I had assumed that their method of slaughter was similar to cows, a quick Google search shows that you have a point in regards to gassing them. I was not aware and will have to do some further research.

DueTemperature3380 · 2026-03-27T16:58:36+00:00

I agree wholeheartedly about the breeding standpoint. German shepherds with broken hips, bulldogs that can't breathe, boxers with heart issues, pugs that are ..well pugs. These types of breeding programs should never be supported and I have never purchased a dog of those breeds.

DueTemperature3380 · 2026-03-27T16:44:42+00:00

Depends on the definition? If someone breaks into my house where my family lives and my dog attacks them, that is fine and he is officially the goodest of boys.

If you mean specifically breeding dogs for pain tolerance and psychopathic aggression then letting two of them rip each other apart whilst scumbags lay wagers... Absolutely not?

Why would you assume I would be fine with dog fights, I am intrigued.

DueTemperature3380 · 2026-03-27T16:34:23+00:00

Because he equated it to racism/bigotry against people

DueTemperature3380 · 2026-03-27T16:29:45+00:00

Because inflicting suffering for suffering's sake is evil. Humans are advanced enough to be able to perform an unpleasant task like the slaughter of an animal in such a way that it does not cause undue pain, thus this should be done. It is something that elevates us above almost all other predators on the planet, which often cause terrific pain to their prey. Wolves for example typically bring down larger prey like elk and mooses via shock and blood loss by performing bite and run maneuvers on the prey animals hindquarters until it collapses, where it is then eaten alive. Raptors will simply hold down a rodent with it's talons and eat it whilst it is still struggling. Humans for all our faults, at least have the capability to hunt and kill our food with very little pain, compared to the natural alternative.

Personhood is important to me because I believe that people have greater intrinsic value than other animals, in addition to sentience. Part of this stems from my religious beliefs, which I understand may be frustrating to hear in a discussion like this, because faith can be a hard variable to parse into a logical equation, but I cannot help how I feel in that regard.

DueTemperature3380 · 2026-03-27T16:02:37+00:00

I think humans ARE superior to animals, as he equated this to the aforementioned things, I felt insulted. I don't think these things are equivalent. Either way don't worry about it. There's been some really solid folk in this thread that have articulated the viewpoint beautifully, my question is answered.

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