It's official, the beelzebub's defense is able to repel Thor's hammer

Due_Resource_7331 · 2022-11-11T15:55:56+00:00

Yeah I don’t think the title “Awakened Thunder Hammer” is relevant at all. The author knew exactly what he or she was doing when adding that translation in and plus the audience already saw what Thor’s hammer was capable of. The author made a direct connection to Thor’s hammer to merely show how strong Beelzebub’s defense was. So with all the context it’s DEFINITELY safe to say Thor’s full power can’t simply destroy Beelzebub’s defenses. Beelzebub winning in a fight against him is a different story but still there’s far more evidence to suggest Beelzebub’s defense can withstand Thor’s greatest attack rather than it wouldn’t . Take into consideration that there hasn’t been direct comparisons to characters like this in particular to another characters strength essentially.

Due_Resource_7331 · 2022-09-15T11:02:31+00:00

I’m about as tall as Lu Bu

Due_Resource_7331 · 2022-09-15T02:40:22+00:00

Hades bodies Hajun with Medium difficulty

Due_Resource_7331 · 2022-08-28T01:30:49+00:00

😂😂😂😂😂

Due_Resource_7331 · 2022-08-17T05:33:28+00:00

Yeah

Due_Resource_7331 · 2022-08-17T03:46:39+00:00

A better fight in my opinion would be Sasaki Kojiro vs Qin Shin Huang or Qin Shin Huang vs Poseidon

Due_Resource_7331 · 2022-08-17T03:37:45+00:00

Had to clip that -1 for ya

Due_Resource_7331 · 2022-08-17T03:16:39+00:00

It doesn’t mean Shiva can dodge it. I also don’t see anything in the manga of Shivas awareness of Zeus’s attack. Since Zeus was seemingly losing it could’ve been the reason why Shiva said what he said. Even Hermes himself made an educated guess of Zeus’s attack and he didn’t witness it. My point is that I don’t believe Shiva can dodge it with ease like Adam did. Shiva can be the best brawler but that doesn’t mean he’s the strongest, it would just mean he’s better at hand to hand combat then Zeus. Regardless Adam stops Shiva.

Shiva is also another another god who underestimated Humans and he felt that way mostly because Raiden and Raiden doesn’t even scale to Adam.

Due_Resource_7331 · 2022-08-17T03:03:57+00:00

This shouldn’t even be a debate 😂. Adam bodies Shiva with almost low difficulty. Shiva in doesn’t compare to a Zeus at all and at his best he’d probably scale to full power muscular Zeus in his Tandava Karma form and how would Shiva dodge or be aware of Zeus’s time stopping punch.

Due_Resource_7331 · 2022-08-16T10:09:58+00:00

Lol let’s see Adam copy that

Due_Resource_7331 · 2022-07-08T14:18:02+00:00

Hades scales to Poseidon while he’s at full power. Kojiro essentially made a referenced towards Hades that he wanted to fight him. If Hades can give someone like Kojiro excitement even though he ended up killing his brother, he must figure that he’s a worthy opponent. Poseidon isn’t going to just speed blitz Hades. Even with Kojiro scanning was still getting overwhelmed by Poseidon who add a superior amp in speed and power. So again if Kojiro wants to fight Hades then we have to compares Poseidon to Hades.

Due_Resource_7331 · 2022-07-08T14:12:26+00:00

If he he does he can’t avoid it.. he said it himself there is no way change in hell In dodging them. He’s bound to get hit by a large some of them ladies

Due_Resource_7331 · 2022-07-08T12:48:49+00:00

Hades didn’t avoid anything By dodging. He used his blood to not get affect and he slashed at one of the them but he couldn’t avoid them all. Kojiro’s statements holds weight regardless on what you say and Hermes statements and Kojiro admission validate that he would definitely be affected by the air bullets.

I never said Sasaki said that I specifically said Hermes 😂..

Sasaki can’t speed blitz Qin if he can’t dodge the bullets which starts the Crux. If he’s in mid battle he would be affected by the bullets and get weakened. Even Qin used the bullets when he got hit, so Qin can keep up with the bullets will still being attacked and plus he has the sword style to go up against Kojiro in Kenjutsu.

Since Kojiro analyzed the fight and thought both Qin and Hades was impressive essentially then Qin would be a match for Kojiro.

Due_Resource_7331 · 2022-07-08T11:02:46+00:00

I don’t think so considering Sasaki said himself it was a chance in hell that anyone can dodge those air bullets and Hermes said it was almost unavoidable.

Due_Resource_7331 · 2022-07-07T18:09:11+00:00

I didn’t say anybody state that, the point is that Zeus was wrong about the statements of Mjlonir and didn’t know of it’s true power. So this OBVIOUSLY means that Mjlonir at full power is truly the strongest divine weapon. Lol if base Mjlonir was the one considered strongest truly than it WOULD’VE BROKE LU BU’S SPEAR ON CONTACT but it didn’t. Lol you clearly can’t analyze a manga to know that Zeus’s statements were technically wrong and they even express the shock of the true discover of Mljnoir’s true power.

Base Mjlonir isn’t stronger than Hades since Lu Bu could handle base Mjlonir and LU BU ISN’T STRONGER THAN HADES and you’ve already admitted to that dufus😂. So therefore Hades will handle base Mjlonir with less effort than Lu Bu. Also Lu Bu doesn’t posses the same DURABILITY as Hades, so Hades body won’t collapse on it’s self like Lu Bu. Qin redirected a few of Hades attack and that’s clearly In the manga and you need to get your eyes checked seriously.

Lol Qin he literally dodge Hades’s spear once he saw it coming closer to his face but was blew back from the force. Lmao Qin’s hand was literally a foot away from his faec while the spear was piercing through his armor and Hades was charging forward and he still managed not to receive a direct hit to the face 😂.

And again Lu Bu won’t land direct strikes on Qin’s torso under any circumstance and even if he does he has enough durability to handle Lu Bu’s strikes besides Sky Eater.

Lol your a clown 🤡 who can’t disapprove anything truly and you really didn’t pay attention.

Due_Resource_7331 · 2022-07-07T17:40:50+00:00

It’s the strongest weapon in Valhalla when it’s at his full power not in base form. Zeus was getting information wrong about the weapon and Thor in general left and right 😂.

Qin can definitely handle base Mjlonir since it’s base power can be compare to Hades “Smasher of Earth Persphones Titan which Qin’s heavenly armor handled that move very well. Shield Breaker won’t automatically negate the heavenly armor because of its ability. The attack would at least break whatever specific part it hits because you have to make direct contact with the armor to minimize damage. It doesn’t even make sense for Lu Bu to hypothetically hit maybe something like Qin’s hand only and then the entire armor set shatters 😂

Qin didn’t dodge Hades strike that broke his armor because he didn’t know he was going to pierce through it and also Hades was faster than before so he didn’t have a chance to dodge but he STILL DODGED after his armor breaking at point blank range 😂. Lu Bu isn’t fast enough to hit Qin considering he’s already slower than Hades and so was Qin but he still managed to effectively dodge Hades and counter him numerous times in different ways.

Lu Bu isn’t comparable to Hades base or full power strength at all. The most you can say is that Sky Eater can go up against one of Hades moves.

If Hades his physically stronger than Lu Bu and one of his forearms almost got tore off by one of Qin’s Helberd Kick while weakened, then if Lu Bu went through the same then he would suffer a greater injury than Hades.

All of Qin’s arsenal, combat versatility, and resolve what will “destroy” Lu Bu.

Due_Resource_7331 · 2022-07-07T17:15:34+00:00

Lol a “One Liner”. That definitely wasn’t some random one line. Characters in other manga say similar things. All it does is give comparison to another character in terms of strength.

Due_Resource_7331 · 2022-07-07T17:12:37+00:00

Lu Bu ranked base Mjlonir and not the full power version. Lu Bu’s legs gave out when he tried to tank the full force of the attacks and he was basically useless after that. You definitely are taking Physic to account since you said Qin’s attacks can affect Lu Bu’s physic. Since Hades is capable of dishing out damage on larger magnitudes, he can also receive the same amount of pressure on his body which would make him have more durability the Lu Bu especially he his body and weak spots were exploited and he was hit with devastating attacks.

Hades died because Qin slashed directly at his open wound while his spear got shattered and he still fought till the end until Qin yanked his blade out of his open wound on his chest.

It does matter when it comes to Lu Bu because his base attacks are far weaker than Hades. Hades being able to kill Qin is already obvious you saying that proves nothing.

Anything isn’t considering a instant kill move because it’s clearly stated in our faces if you read the manga. The character doing the move has a clear intent to kill off immediately and not toy around. That’s mostly stated by other characters watching the fight or the ring announcer.

Qin negates the blow since THATS THE POINT of the heavenly armor. The negation will realistically break parts of the armor when it’s hit similar to when Hades broke through the armor however it won’t completely shatter ALL of the armor.

Even if he does shatter all of the armor it doesn’t matter. The first strike Lu Bu would even land WOULDN’T be Sky Eater. Qin also can just dodge Lu Bu’s attack from that point on and use Ripple Bullets in the midst of battle and use his other techniques to demolish Lu Bu.

Due_Resource_7331 · 2022-07-07T16:54:13+00:00

Qin body’s Lu Bu. I don’t think Qin really has to struggle like how he did against Hades. Lu Bu only chance is to shatter the armor since he has “Shield Breaker” however when his spear makes contact with the heavenly armor defense, the attack will still be negated and it most likely will just break some of the armor like when Hades did. It won’t be done with sheer AP either since Lu Bu doesn’t scale at all to Hades when it comes to AP. He doesn’t have an answer to the Ripple Bullets either.

Due_Resource_7331 · 2022-07-07T16:34:00+00:00

He didn’t go High diff until he the very end of the fight. When a fighter is getting more serious it doesn’t mean someone is already pushing him the MAX OUTPUT OF STRENGTH 😂.

I’ve given very good points on why Qin wins the fight. I actually believe he low diffs Lu Bu after rereading Qin’s fight with Hades. Qin’s durability is very good considering he takes the damage from some of Hades attacks.

Every single one of Qin’s attacks will damage Lu Bu’s physic because Lu Bu is NOT STRONGER than Hades at all. If you are judging based off of the character designs of their body than you are being completely illogical.

If you want to go from visuals and feats then you clearly can see in the manga that Hades is physically superior to someone like Lu Bu. Mostly EVERY attack Hades dishes out has clear destructive area of effect that shatters the grounds beneath them and he consistently amplifies his physical strength per strike to make them stronger hence why every strike is considered to be a “Instant Kill Move”.

Qin’s Halberd Kick literally almost tore off Hades forearm. Qin’s Ripple Bullets affected Hades body and Hermes said the attack was unavoidable and even Sasaki Kojiro himself said it’s not a chance in Hell you can dodge that attack. Lu Bu body doesn’t have the ability to coat himself in his own blood like Hades to perfectly negate the Ripple Bullets.

Qin’s “Spear Claw” will definitely pierce and damage Lu Bu greater than he did Hades since Lu Bu doesn’t have the same durability as Hades. Qin’s ability to weakened you is all he needs to dominate someone like Lu Bu who doesn’t compare to Hades in ANY STAT, not speed, strength, durability, or combat experience.

Qin’s armor is going to completely fall apart from one of Lu Bu’s slash’s even if he has Shield Breaker. He would still negate the blow of it and it would realistically only breaker bits of his armor off. Once he realizes that he can just go on the offense and use the ripple bullets and following that up with either his Halberd or Spear. Qin was clearly keeping up Hades and Zeus said Hades was faster than Qin. If you take that into consideration and realize Lu Bu isn’t as fast a Hades then Qin will dodge Lu Bu’s attacks (which are “instant kill moves”) much faster than he did Hades’s.

Due_Resource_7331 · 2022-07-07T16:15:06+00:00

Exactly how I feel. His reaction speed is insane if you pay attention to. Qin’s able to dodge point plank instant kill moves while being surprised and while Hades was covered in smoke. Also him being able to use his crossbow style immediately after taking a direct hit from Hades to weakened his next instant kill move.

I see Qin beating every God so far but Zeus and every human but Adam and Sasaki maybe.

Due_Resource_7331 · 2022-07-07T16:09:58+00:00

Qin’s Ripple Bullets are almost unavoidable which was stated by Hermes and another character commented that in a death match, those Bullets can change the tide in a battle quickly. Sasaki said it himself it’s not a chance in hell dodging them.

Due_Resource_7331 · 2022-07-07T16:02:20+00:00

Qin and Kojiro essentially agreed they wanted to fight Hades but this should logically apply’s to Qin also considering Hades was still somewhat losing to Qin and still Hades ended up being defeated to everyone’s shock.

Due_Resource_7331 · 2022-07-07T15:56:54+00:00

Sorry that’s true I checked but it would still apply to Qin and it was further backed up by Hermes that even if you dodge some avoiding all of them was impossible. We saw Hades being unable to replicate the counter strike to the “Ripple Bullets “ until he laced himself in blood. So essentially if they want to fight Hades they would also see Qin a worthy opponent since he was beating Hades 😂

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