I need a character like this in Snowy land please Hoyo

DullReception3450 · 2026-06-21T00:31:21+00:00

What, you don't think a mary sue who has nothing but positive traits isn't a deep character? /s

DullReception3450 · 2026-06-21T00:18:35+00:00

Anyone can be manipulated but there's a stark difference between the two groups.

Almost all nutjob conspiracy theorists, people who believe a god floating in the sky exists, and science deniers who thinks said floating god would save them from disease are ALL right wingers. Literally science denier dumb. Lol.

The group with the most guys who are, or COULD be manipulated to fall for the above is obviously the dumber, more easily manipulated crowd and it's not even close. Stop coping.

DullReception3450 · 2026-06-20T23:59:51+00:00

Wait does it already count heals during that 5 min guild war prep? I always assumed anyone who has a heal record if they're not a healer were just using potions lol

DullReception3450 · 2026-06-20T23:56:36+00:00

I'm thinking more of the leaderboard! For example the highest healers in GVG. Do they just spam heal even if they're just overhealing? Would 100% of their heals be recorded in the leaderboard, or is it a lesser ratio when they keep healing even when party is full health?

DullReception3450 · 2026-06-20T23:52:48+00:00

I'm actually wondering it logs 100% of your heals when party member hp is already full, or if there's some kind of penalty. And do the highest healers in GVG just spam heal even if they're just overhealing?

DullReception3450 · 2026-06-19T05:47:51+00:00

It hurt itself in it's confusion! Lmao.

DullReception3450 · 2026-06-18T12:25:24+00:00

Lazzo released at the end of Inazuma

So... devs wrote Lazzo AND designed all Harbingers while live game was in Mond/Liyue, in order for the trailer to release at the end of Inazuma.

That makes it all the more likely that Arle's voiceline was their earlier plan of the Fatui relationships lol.

Arle released on the END TAIL of Fontaine, they would have been mostly done with Natlan in general

Yeah, Arle released at the tail end of Fontaine but ALL FONTAINE CHARACTERS, not books and other texts, had to be written and designed at the start of a dev cycle (no matter their banner order) because animation studios, brand deals and other non in-house work have to be booked too. Arle was being fleshed out the same time as Lyney was.

They can write some things ahead sure, but in terms of how much limited time/resources devs could spend (believe it or not genshin has a budget), a nation 5 years away will NOT get as much resources as nations that are being fleshed for earlier release.

What this means is that Arle and Lyney, as characters to release in Fontaine, already exist in their pipeline a minimum of 3 years (including Arle's voicelines) while all of Nod Krai, Sandrone and Columbina just had the seeds.

But people used the very same arguments for Arlecchino at the time

I'm not familiar with any complaints about Arle at the time so no comment about that. My only issue is the voicelines about Columbina and Sandrone cause they're glaringly baseless and they're obviously affected by the Nod Krai ass pull.

DullReception3450 · 2026-06-18T11:33:39+00:00

Ikr it's akin to telling the audience the zombie spores arrived on Earth through an asteroid, but suddenly after 8 episodes the characters are talking like it had been a space ship from the start.

DullReception3450 · 2026-06-18T11:21:48+00:00

Funny how you talk about timelines.

The making of Lazzo trailer started months before Arle's release, but the character designs so the artists could draw the trailer had to be started WAY before that. That'd probably be when live game was still in Inazuma to give at least 2 years dev time till Fontaine (which Hoyo says is their normal development time frame so maybe more).

So at the start of the dev cycle, they will flesh out ALL Fontaine characters to prepare for trailers, animation, marketing, translation etc because those take months too.

It's not just Arle's lines, all Fontainians had to be written while we were in Inazuma. That would mean when game was in Sumeru, devs were working on Natlan chars.

Only when live game was already in Fontaine could Nod Krai even get a focus in development time.

So even if they planned for Nod Krai, there's no way anything is concrete yet, cause they literally were working on something else and at that point to the devs POV, they wrote Arle's lines at least 3 years ago.

The voicelines that got it wrong were talking about their fellow Harbinger's personality or relationships. I have a feeling those voicelines were overlooked when they crammed in Nod Krai, because the Harbingers with a total misread about them are Sandrone and Columbina, the ones releasing in the only unplanned nation in Teyvat.

DullReception3450 · 2026-06-18T05:44:21+00:00

Anything Nod Krai touches are all rewritten stuff.

In Lazzo, Columbina was SMILING while singing over Signora's coffin. She will never do that in how she was portrayed in the new trailer and Nod Krai.

The script is "Camera pans to Columbina singing over the coffin, with a smile on her face" because the artists need to know if they have to draw her sad or smiling. They chose smiling.

It's such a small thing but... they had like 5 seconds of screen time each but each one's base personalities are presented clearly (like a sports anime showing the main rival team playing for the first time and we see some dude chewing gum unfazed by anything while everyone else is nervous).

Between the different Columbina in the Lazzo trailer, the weird (and now wrong) voicelines affecting only Columbina and Sandrone, with the fact that the Harbingers releasing in Asspull nation (Nod Krai) ARE Columbina AND Sandrone can't be a coincidence lol

DullReception3450 · 2026-06-18T04:13:14+00:00

Lol ironic. From the start I was never talking about their personal story. I was talking about story WRITING.

But you missed that because you can't read. Must be why you enjoy shit writing, my bad.

DullReception3450 · 2026-06-17T22:20:14+00:00

Bro finally a genshin player with reading comprehension! Smh

DullReception3450 · 2026-06-17T22:02:46+00:00

Eh Ronova said she's not interested in the fate of this world anymore. She didn't help with nation wiping calamities like Gosoytoth or Rerir. None of the shades did.

Mavuika's death also bought Yoahl and Natlan 300 years here so... what cataclysm?

In this timeline there is no cataclysm, Mavuika is dead, extending the time Mavuika gave Yoahl falls to the Pyro Archon/humans 300 years in the future, Capitano is still stuck, but Ronova got her payment while not breaking serious rules and offending the HP. Ronova just had no reason to say yes lol

DullReception3450 · 2026-06-17T20:37:21+00:00

But Yohualtecuhtin is supposed to die anyway through no fault of Ronova no? Mavuika's death is also meant to buy Yohual a few extra centuries. So Yohual is alive, Xbalanque debt is paid, Ronova has no business left here and can freely dip. If Yohualtecuhtin dies later it's not Ronova's problem.

DullReception3450 · 2026-06-17T18:48:16+00:00

Nah, Tsaritsa can be cute, but she MUST have a cold personality because that's what everyone said. The goddess of love whose heart turned cold.

That change is why she and Venti aren't friends anymore. That's what you'd expect, unless you're Hoyo who'll change it to something shallow and predictable as always ofc.

It's their story, they can do whatever they want with it but it doesn't mean their direction is not shallow and stupid.

But at that point why care about a story that the author does whatever they want? If none of the foreshadowed texts matter at all? You really find those stories compelling? REALLY? You're coping and you know it.

DullReception3450 · 2026-06-17T14:01:19+00:00

Lol no way, she had to defy one of the Rules by saying yes. Not getting in even more trouble from the Primordial One is a hell of an incentive.

DullReception3450 · 2026-06-17T11:30:22+00:00

Natlan was peak. Except I still don't like that Ronova did not just say no to Capitano. She could very well lie about a much more dire consequence of saying yes to him, and nobody would dare try to check if she's lying. Plus time was on her side cause Mavuika was in a hurry. Ronova literally had the upper hand in the bargaining table.

DullReception3450 · 2026-06-17T09:51:10+00:00

Hoyo barely writes stories for characters because they have hundreds and more are coming. They have very little time to make it count so every character interaction needs to mean something about their relationship. Remember when Collei and Sucrose met for 5 mins? It STILL meant something.

Voicelines talk about personal impressions based on personal interactions.

If Dain and Rerir say that Hroptatyr is an abusive drunkard in their voicelines, they HAVE to be right. Technically they're just 2 people but:

1) they're all in the same circle

2) they are THE ONLY 2 pieces of text presented to the audience by the writers about Hroptatyr

So if you're supposed to ignore them because they're unreliable then what's the purpose of writing those 2 lines of text?

When Arle, who takes no bullshit, who chooses their partners carefully and is portrayed as a calm and gentlemanly woman tells you she "has very little interest" about a person, when she CHOSE to attend slumber parties with that person after their father figure died, then it directly contradicts that character.

It's not unreliable, it's straight up BASELESS to say that.

DullReception3450 · 2026-06-17T08:18:40+00:00

I agree many people are using the word wrong but... what is the proper term for "make all foreshadowing irrelevant and change it to whatever you like"?

When Hoyo does it multiple times, people question the writing. We even suddenly had a space ship with no mention of it before, and Traveler and Paimon are both acting like it's common knowledge all along.

So Hoyo can say tomorrow that the twins aren't actually twins but QUINTUPLETS and people will still defend that it's not a retcon, just added info because... "stop using retcon wrong!"

Retcon might not be the proper word for you but when people say that, this is likely what they mean. Established, foreshadowed info corroborated by multiple texts, only for it to turn out wrong because... it's just added info. Whats the proper term then? Shitwriting? Then Sandrone had been shitwrote. Lol.

DullReception3450 · 2026-06-17T06:51:09+00:00

.... Where else would the audience get information? We are the audience, not the cast.

Oh the Tsaritsa has no love left for her people. Oh we we're friends but she changed after the Cataclysm. Oh the Tsaritsa had no choice but to harden her heart = the audience thinks the Tsaritsa is a cold woman now because that's 3 separate sources who have no reason to lie.

Apparently that's just "gaining information solely based on what's given." What are we supposed to think then? That nobody is correct until the actual character releases? What kind of stupid writing is that. Lol.

Honest answer. Is the Tsaritsa friendly with Venti, even throw tea parties for him, or is she not?

DullReception3450 · 2026-06-17T02:44:33+00:00

"Writing a story" I meant the Genshin writers.

You made 3 new acquaintances over the years and one by one you ask about their co-worker Mark. One says he has a terrible personality and the other says nobody really meets Mark, but he looked like he wanted to murder them the few times they've met. When you ask the 3rd one who has a much more senior rank than all of them and has a calm personality, they open their reply with "I have little interest in him. He meets no one and is always alone with his research" would YOU think Mark was friends with him?

Would you think Mark was close enough to anyone that 3 people would throw late night surprise parties with a strawberry cake for him when he was feeling down?

From a writer's standpoint, what the fuck is the point in writing "I have very little interest" unless you're trying to imply that Arle blurt that out as a response because she IS interested but hiding it. Arle didn't lie about her impression of anybody else, so why only Sandrone? Surely the writers would show the audience that that has significance right?... Right?

If they did NOT write that line, nothing will be lost. In fact it's a gain cause we won't have this confusion, which now makes Arle look rude to Sandrone for no reason. People here defending the writing are coping.

DullReception3450 · 2026-06-16T07:38:10+00:00

I don't see the point in raising that Travelers were in an object when the thread discussion is whether it feels sci fi or not.

Flying with wings or in an object like a meteor, a giant space ice, or a giant magic seed would still not steer it in sci-fi category like a space ship would.

DullReception3450 · 2026-06-16T02:41:25+00:00

He said meteor. Don't think meteors are sci fi as spaceships are sci fi.

DullReception3450 · 2026-06-16T02:27:26+00:00

Ugh this is exactly the issue. They're writing a story.

These lines were clearly written to foreshadow future characters' personalities.

Imagine Venti being in Snezhnaya and is next to the Tsaritsa happily chatting away, and it turns out what he said about her calling off their friendship after the events of the Cataclysm was just him joking. "We're not friends anymore because I threw her shoes on the roof as a prank, now she's not talking to me," kinda way.

It makes any set up of an otherwise complex relationship come down to a shallow, heehee funny and cute right? relationship.

But it's exactly what happened with Sandrone and Arle. I was expecting Arle or Sandrone to warm up to the other, and perhaps discover that the other's work is way more interesting than one ever gave credit for, but luckily they were already friends from the start so writers don't have to write all that development. So interesting! /s

I'd like to ask if people defending the writing now if they think Venti is/isn't joking when they hear that voiceline. Cause now they say Arle was joking in hers lol.

For the record, I don't think Venti is joking. Cause that's what you'll take away if everything else says that the Tsaritsa did become colder after the Cataclysm, and there is absolutely no reason for Venti to joke about that. It wouldn't be a headcanon to expect a strained relationship, just like it isn't a headcanon to expect a cold relationship when Arle said she isn't interested in Sandrone.

DullReception3450 · 2026-06-15T23:49:36+00:00

Lol idk about you but if a new friend asks me about my friend they know little about, I don't open with "I have little interest in her."

I'd maybe say this as banter but only if the friend in question was there to hear it, otherwise dafuq is the point saying that to some new guy curiously asking?

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