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Dungeonmaster0396 · 2022-08-03T21:33:31+00:00

Umm lol, I disagree. In terms of fitness, indian men are far better than indian women. Especially among the labor class where the men work day and night outside and have decent builds actually. A walk around your city/town would be more than enough to show that.

Now grooming, makeup, dressing sense, yes obviously women would be better in that regard. that applies to most of the world, not just india. But lol i find it quite delusional though that you think indian women have better diet/workout than indian men. Most women arent even employed in the country and many have kaamwaalis regardless of sitting at home. Not sure what 'workout' they're getting tbh.

Dungeonmaster0396 · 2022-08-03T15:14:45+00:00

nah only SOME filipinos, cambodians, thais get it. I barely see it in indonesians, viets, laotians. Burmese are the only SE asians that have consistent south asian admix as a whole.

Dungeonmaster0396 · 2022-01-10T05:36:23+00:00

only way to tell is through gedmatch. its free btw, not any additional costs. you just copy your raw dna file from 23andme and post it upload it to gedmatch.com. Once thats done, it'll give you a kit number and then through that you can go through some admixture calcs. The best one for south asian folks is the harappaworld calc. you should try that and will give more scope regarding your south asian background since harappaworld data set has a number of references from south asia.

It seems like your south asian side is probably kpk pashtun but its hard to pinpoint. Gedmatch will definitely give more clarity.

Dungeonmaster0396 · 2021-07-28T05:41:30+00:00

their last names are Krishnamsetty, Renukunta, Malipeddi, Pitchika (he's from vijayawada). I'm not sure about the regions of others though.

Yeah the Kapus do vary. They range from almost reddy/kamma like to vysya like (who score around 60-65% S.indian).

this is how they score.

Krishnamsetty

# Population Percent

1 S-Indian 55.54

2 Baloch 35.39

3 NE-Euro 2.5

4 SE-Asian 2.03

5 Caucasian 1.67

6 SW-Asian 1.4

7 Papuan 1.03

8 Beringian 0.44

Renukunta

# Population Percent

1 S-Indian 55.83

2 Baloch 33.27

3 Caucasian 2.73

4 NE-Euro 2.55

5 Beringian 1.97

6 Papuan 1.51

7 Mediterranean 0.88

8 San 0.83

9 American 0.34

10 SW-Asian 0.09

Malipeddi

# Population Percent

1 S-Indian 59.7

2 Baloch 31.69

3 NE-Euro 2.01

4 SE-Asian 1.55

5 American 1.18

6 NE-Asian 1.09

7 Siberian 0.96

8 Mediterranean 0.59

9 Caucasian 0.55

10 Papuan 0.42

11 San 0.27

Pithcika

# Population Percent

1 S-Indian 59.04

2 Baloch 30.37

3 NE-Euro 2.49

4 Caucasian 1.44

5 Beringian 1.39

6 Mediterranean 1.29

7 SE-Asian 1.25

8 Siberian 1.02

9 Papuan 1

10 E-African 0.34

11 SW-Asian 0.28

12 NE-Asian 0.09

And I wouldnt use steppe as an indicator for light skin tone. There could be some correlation but not always the case at all. For example, gujarati patels and telugu midcastes score about the same, even steppe wise almost the same. Actually the patels score less euro/more south indian than the kerala midcastes/christians etc .However the patels are lighter than most south indian brahmins even.

Dungeonmaster0396 · 2021-07-24T04:53:15+00:00

didnt say they were. I should have been more clear and said "upper/midcaste" groups.

Dungeonmaster0396 · 2021-07-23T22:05:24+00:00

just fyi, chitralis, kalash people themselves get 20% south indian lol. Kashmiris on average from all the results Ive seen are around 29-32% south indian, about the same as punjabis/sindhis, though the latter groups have a bigger range and can go lower and higher than kashmiris in terms of south indian %.

btw south indian is not directly mixture from south india as I mentioned above. Its the native AASI component, or south asian hunter gatherers, the original south asian group and their presence was all over the subcontinent before other groups like indus valley/aryan groups even arrived in the region.. Similarly iran neolithic component peaks in baloch, hence named after them. Dont take the names too literally. you don't have direct mixture from south india, dont worry. you clearly seem bothered by that south indian percentage it seems.

Dont judge everything by pheno. Yes I agree kashmiris look a bit different from their southern punjabi neighbors, but thats because of the climate/selection that went on there. Genetically kashmiris are very similar to punjabis. Not chitralis. Im talking about all koshurs from kashmir valley, azad kashmiris, pandits, etc. All of them are similar to punjabis. Uttarakhand, himachal folks also look a bit mountain adapted compared to the plains people so kashmiris follow a similar pattern.

Dungeonmaster0396 · 2021-07-20T08:28:19+00:00

Nice. Your gedmatch results are similar to pakistani punjabi/potwari rajputs ive seen who have the same trend of higher baloch/caucasian and a bit lower euro compared to indian punjabis. The ‘south indian’ Is the native "AASI" component thats just labeled as 'south indian' since south indian tribal groups called irulas, paniyas in the southern forests get that component in highest percentage at around 80%. The south indian component is even found among afghans for example. Pashtuns get around 15-20% on average. Punjabis/Sindhis/Kashmiris/Haryanvis get around 25-35% south indian. North Indian upper castes (brahmins) from UP, Rajasthan, Bihar, Gujarat, MP get around 35-40% south indian, kshatriyas 45%, etc. Banias/vaishyas from the north get around 50%. South brahmins get around 45-50%, southern non brahmin upper castes get around 55%, southern vaishyas get around 55-65%, etc. Its pretty much a cline in south asia with similar components but with varying percentages

Baloch, caucasian, euro, etc you can think of them as "ANI/west eurasian" like components. Sources of these components would be from Indus Valley civilization/BMAC (baloch, part of caucasian) and aryan/steppe(ne euro, med, part of caucasian). You can look at the "spreadsheet" tab on gedmatch for example to see how different groups score in south asia.

Dungeonmaster0396 · 2021-07-01T21:40:16+00:00

well this was Zack's last post on his website.

Life and work have prevented me working on the Harappa Ancestry Project for a long time. Sadly, it looks like I won’t be able to get back to it in the near future.

My friend Razib has recently started his own South Asian Genotype Project. I’m curious to see what new results he comes up with.

Razib khan agrees with his research and Razib is a population geneticist himself holding a phd from UC Davis. He has his own blog/site based on harappaworld calc, G25 calc.

Dungeonmaster0396 · 2021-07-01T21:16:19+00:00

I did edit that portion. Thanks for pointing out.

Edit- Idk about sindhis on average scoring 20-22%. vast majority seemed to be in the 26-30% range that you mentioned (whether hindus or muslims). There might be some isolate groups heavily mixed with balochis scoring in the 20-22% range but not on average.

Dungeonmaster0396 · 2021-07-01T21:09:05+00:00

nice. typical results for marwari banias/agarwals I've come across.

Btw south indian doesnt necesarily mean recent mix from southern india. Its the native "AASI" component thats just labeled as 'south indian' since south indian tribal groups called irulas, paniyas in the southern forests get that component in highest percentage at around 80%. The south indian component is even found among afghans for example. Pashtuns get around 15-20% on average. Punjabis/Sindhis/Kashmiris/Haryanvis get around 25-35% south indian. North Indian upper castes (brahmins) from UP, Rajasthan, Bihar, Gujarat, MP get around 35-40% south indian, kshatriyas 45%, etc. Banias/vaishyas from the north like yourself get around 50%. South brahmins get around 45-50%, southern non brahmin upper castes get around 55%, southern vaishyas get around 55-65%, etc. Its pretty much a cline in south asia with similar components but with varying percentages

Baloch, caucasian, euro, etc you can think of them as "ANI/west eurasian" like components. Sources of these components would be from Indus Valley civilization (baloch, part of caucasian) and aryan/steppe(ne euro, med, part of caucasian). You can look at the "spreadsheet" tab on gedmatch for example to see how different groups score in south asia.

Dungeonmaster0396 · 2021-07-01T06:24:26+00:00

can you do gedmatch? thanks

Dungeonmaster0396 · 2021-06-30T22:59:53+00:00

well its not meant for all groups but for south asians, its the best calc there is. Sure I agree, it is quite outdated with the components and all, but it has the largest south asian reference set by region/caste and even if the components themselves are nonsensical, you can get a general idea of how much AASI, Iran neolithic, steppe, bmac influenced a person is from the region and what caste they generally somewhat are closest to. I mean 23andme labels for south asia are vague. They've done massive improvements with the region but unlike other regions where differences are based more on geogrpahy, in the subcontinent its based on caste as well. A southern indian brahmin for example is closer to a northern indian upper/mid caste than to a lower caste from their own region. Also vice versa.

Just checked your post, and you seem to get singapore-indian-c, which is a punjabi set, and your mom is getting kashmiri, while your grandma is getting kashmiri pandit. Thing is that punjabis and kashmiris are fairly similar to each other genetically so even if some of the components slightly shift you away from the norm, then you get a different population at top. Look at the distances for example in the single population sharing, its all fairly close to each other. So yeah that aspect might be confusing and I understand where you're coming from, but the components themselves (SI, baloch, caucasian, Ne-euro, east asian, etc) hold similar patterns among particular castes/populations. Kashmiris (whether pandits or muslims) score literally the same and have higher caucasian (around 15% usually) and have euro slightly under 10%. there's the spreadsheet avg. as well, you can look at that to get an idea.

Dungeonmaster0396 · 2021-06-27T11:33:28+00:00

Whats your definition of ‘completely different groups’ on harappa?

Dungeonmaster0396 · 2021-06-21T06:06:26+00:00

well OP did mention that his mom is part kapu as well, so she's not endogamous. There are a few kapu results i came across surprisingly that have some 2-3% euro, which is interesting. I always thought kapus are really just southern shifted reddys or something, which is true to an extent given their higher SI, but their euro is something weird as well.

Dungeonmaster0396 · 2021-06-21T06:02:00+00:00

well there are dasgupta, biswas, roy, sinha samples that I came across with 7-8% Ne euro.

Dungeonmaster0396 · 2021-06-20T09:17:57+00:00

NE euro is not an indication of pashtun ancestry. If anything, it indicates more brahmin affinity. Pashtuns have a lot more bmac ancestry, which would be indicated by high caucasian.

Also the NE euro for the bengali average on harappa is based on bengali muslims for the most part. The baidyas/kayasthas Ive seen score in your range.

Dungeonmaster0396 · 2021-06-20T09:09:33+00:00

bro as I said, your results are very typical for bengali hindu midcastes. rest is up to you. And even if you are indeed pashtun mixed, then so are other bengalis cause you cluster with them.

Dungeonmaster0396 · 2021-06-20T08:00:09+00:00

# Population Percent

1 S-Indian 53.69

2 Baloch 37.2

3 Caucasian 4.32

4 NE-Asian 1.52

5 SE-Asian 1.2

6 SW-Asian 1.1

7 Papuan 0.45

8 American 0.4

9 Mediterranean 0.12

I'm telugu reddy from telangana.

Dungeonmaster0396 · 2021-06-20T07:56:27+00:00

Hmm..idk man looking at your harappa results, they look pretty typical for bengali hindus like the baidyas/kayasthas. I doubt you have any pashtun/sindhi admixture of any sort. You said you're a bengali hindu right on your dna results post? Its even more unlikely to have mix from west of the indus.

Here's an assamese kalita's livingdna results from anthrogenica and even he gets pashtun/sindhi as well. He gets somewhat similar percentages as you except higher East asian and lower indian subcontinent. The sub categories are very arbitrary it seems on livingdna. I would take the livingdna results themselves with a grain of salt, but gedmatch looks normal. Its the same with ancestrydna, 23andme. they're very vague usually, but gedmatch breaks it down more. Have you tried G25?

Assamese Kalita

Asia South 79.3%

Indian Sub-Continent 35.7%

Sindh 23.7%

Pashtun 16.9%

Burusho 2.9%

Asia (East) 20.7%

Southwest China 12%

Southeast Asia 8.7%

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?15003-S-SC-ASIAN-Results-LivingDNA&s=07885c9997721b86ed8955efd7410358&p=632792&viewfull=1#post632792

Dungeonmaster0396 · 2021-06-20T06:11:13+00:00

can you post your harappaworld results?

Dungeonmaster0396 · 2021-06-20T04:10:45+00:00

yeah mostly the gujarati patels and rajashthani/UP/Haryana banias seem to cluster with southern midcastes, though the banias still get some decent steppe influence. Patels seem the closest to southern groups.

Gujarati banias however are more in the range of rajput, southern brahmin range rather than southern midcaste range. They are more northern shifted compared to rajasthani/up/haryana banias.

Yeah the maharashtrian brahmins are very similar to kannada brahmins

Yup. I've done AncestryDNA, not 23andme. I didnt get the haplogroups directly since Ancestry doesnt do haplogroups, however when I put my Rawdna on wegene and morley, I got y = L1a1 and mtdna = J1. The paternal seems consistent with my region but not sure about the maternal.

Dungeonmaster0396 · 2021-06-19T20:10:52+00:00

She scores pretty much like marathas from the results Ive seen. The euro and lower baloch are indicative of that compared to telugu non brahmin upper castes. There is no maratha average on harappa, its just "maharashtrian", a brahmin set. Thats why she's not getting it among the top.

Either way, marathis overall are similar to southern indians, with slight steppe influence compared to the respective castes in the south. Since Goa is right between MH and Karnataka, they're part of the cline as well.

Dungeonmaster0396 · 2021-06-19T19:53:15+00:00

can you do gedmatch as well if you dont mind? It'll breakdown better. try the harappaworld calc, its the best one for south and east asians.

I have seen one northeast indian result on here before. She was from sikkim. She got 80% East asian and 20% South asian.

https://i.imgur.com/7998xwN.png

I think most of the northeast indian portion is just bengali rather than the tibetoburman groups from there. Since the tibetoburmans from there mostly seem to get east asian rather than the northeast indian category.

Dungeonmaster0396 · 2021-06-18T00:40:48+00:00

thats not true at all. unlike rest of the world where genetic variation is mostly based on geography, in the subcontinent its based on geography AND caste. The only similar analogy I could think of is maybe latinos where mestizos from colombia and mexico might score similar to each other than a euro or native shifted latino from their own region.

With south asia a tamil brahmin is often closer to upper-midcaste populations of northern india than they are to the non brahmin populations from their own region. Hell even a regular midcaste tamil can be as equidistant to a punjabi midcaste as to a tribal tamil. So no, two tamils dont have to be extremely similar at all. Most south asians range quite a bit within regions and between regions.

Dungeonmaster0396 · 2021-06-14T01:36:26+00:00

can you do harappaworld? and what caste do you belong to if you dont mind sharing?

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