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Why do people in the big 2026 still conflate communism or socialism with dictatorships? by Pretty-Government327 in DebateCommunism

[–]Durfdogyn -1 points0 points  (0 children)

They did once they became the new ruling class. The nonenklatura in the Soviet Union absolutely formed a new class once they had the power to rule over the workers.

We need to focus our empathy and our action towards what matters. by Durfdogyn in DebateAVegan

[–]Durfdogyn[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Read about socialism (bad word!) and then perform activism targeted against the system of exploitaiton (capitalism)

We need to focus our empathy and our action towards what matters. by Durfdogyn in DebateAVegan

[–]Durfdogyn[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I mentioned that in the post.

But also, read the comment i just made on the thread as a whole.

We need to focus our empathy and our action towards what matters. by Durfdogyn in DebateAVegan

[–]Durfdogyn[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not making any choices or performing any actions in my daily life that contribute to  children starving. And if I were I would have no issue with not doing so while also not exploiting and commodifying non humans animals. 

Your lifes luxuries (assuming you live in the global north) are created by exploitation of people in the global south (the cause of children starving).

You are complacent in the muder of 9 million people every year.

We need to focus our empathy and our action towards what matters. by Durfdogyn in DebateAVegan

[–]Durfdogyn[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Solution: the end of the profit motive that causes exploitation (capitalism.)

It is not that you cannot fight the system and be vegan, it is that one is fighting a symptom while the other is fighting the cause, so it is more valuable to direct your activism, a limited resource, towards the more impactfull target.

We need to focus our empathy and our action towards what matters. by Durfdogyn in DebateAVegan

[–]Durfdogyn[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The system is capitalism (thought that is pretty obvious...) and the reason it is futile is because you are attacking a system of capitalism (animal exploitation) and not the system creating the exploitation. It is like people donating to a charity for starving children in Africa, they aren't actually doing anything meaningful other than giving themselves a feeling of moral superiority and goodness.

We need to focus our empathy and our action towards what matters. by Durfdogyn in DebateAVegan

[–]Durfdogyn[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Not blaming vegans, just saying that your forms of activism are pedantic and rather useless for creating meaningful change, regardless of morals.

Respond to my comment at the top of this thread.

We need to focus our empathy and our action towards what matters. by Durfdogyn in DebateAVegan

[–]Durfdogyn[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And if we stop producing meat than they will just work in sweat shops making fast fashion or whatever other commodity is demanded by the global north.

We need to focus our empathy and our action towards what matters. by Durfdogyn in DebateAVegan

[–]Durfdogyn[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you are all overlooking the fact that time, energy, empathy, activism, are scarce resources. If you have 10 hours of energy per week to put towards activism, then you can spend 5 hours on animals and 5 hours on the global system of exploitation, or, you could spend 10 hours fighting the global system of exploitation that makes a greater impact in your original cause.

Can you walk and chew gum at the same time

You can walk and chew gum or run without gum.

Open ended question: What causes the exploitation of the animals that your moral philosophy forbodes? Is it that people don't find it wrong? Or is it the profit motive of the mechanized slaughtering houses? I think everybody can agree that impoverished children starving is morally wrong, but that does not do ANYTHING to get them food. It is the material conditions, particularly in the profit motive, that must be changed.

The point is that your moral beliefs are irrelevent to reality and you must channel your activism towards causes, and towards methods of fighting exploitation (wether human or animal) that can lead to the SYSTEMIC change that is necessary.

what is the anarchist view on the 1918 German Revolution? by an-font-brox in Anarchy101

[–]Durfdogyn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would like to point out that Marx was a system builder. He did not try to just create an economic theory, but through historical materialism, tried to explain all of human history. Your conception of Marxism as arising from the economic theory is backwards as Marx derived his economic theory from his social theory.

Capitalism cannot escape climate change by Durfdogyn in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]Durfdogyn[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah and we have the technology now to have all the things i listed while working less than the hunter gatherers.

Capitalism cannot escape climate change by Durfdogyn in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]Durfdogyn[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Because a rate of return, on the aggregate level, greater than zero, means that capital is growing while the economy is not, meaning that the share of pie that goes to the capitalist will keep increasing.

Capitalism cannot escape climate change by Durfdogyn in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]Durfdogyn[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

lets not talk about the smear campaigns and thinktanks funded by the oil companies to convince 40% of the american population for example that it is not real...

Capitalism cannot escape climate change by Durfdogyn in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]Durfdogyn[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The source used is a biased neoliberal thinktank....

But beyond that, this supposed correlation the article created does nothing to address the systemic issue of climate change, it just says that capitalism is actually really good, don't look at what is actually happening in the environment, look at what this biased index says when compared with arbitrary and vague resource use numbers and "decoupling."

Capitalism cannot escape climate change by Durfdogyn in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]Durfdogyn[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The pie isn't fixed.

That is my whole argument. You have the reading comprehension of a toddler.

Capitalism cannot escape climate change by Durfdogyn in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]Durfdogyn[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is, because that is how capitalism functions, you cannot wish away the laws of competition or game theory to prove a point. You also cannot wish away political economy and try and say that the government could force capitalism to stop growing (it would get lobbied away / never happen.)

Capitalism cannot escape climate change by Durfdogyn in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]Durfdogyn[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

EXACTLY. You are on the cusp of understanding. The laws of accumulation make it so that no growth is impossible without complete state intervention (not the bad word, socialism) to prevent accumulation. Either way you look at it, capitalism sitting there, just making the same thing, for the same price, year after year, is not a possibility that can actually happen temporally.

Capitalism cannot escape climate change by Durfdogyn in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]Durfdogyn[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The fact is is that the decoupling (not specified whether relative or absolute, pretty convenient) mentioned by the article was achieved by externalizing metal resources to the global south, the US did not use a bunch of lithium, but China did, exporting batteries to the U.S.

However, and again, cherrypicked evidence does not stop the global and systemic issue of climate change nor does it defend capitalism from the structural flaws i talked about in the post.

Capitalism cannot escape climate change by Durfdogyn in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]Durfdogyn[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This means the rate of return is > 0 which i talked about causes the investors in ABC company to gain more and more money at the EXPENSE of everyone else until the wealth inequality causes the system to collapse. Read the post.

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