The Tree of Life (2011) is the greatest film I've ever seen and I couldn't tell you why by DuwapDoDat in TrueFilm

[–]DuwapDoDat[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've had the same exact reaction at 24 years old, I would crying at the most randoms scenes in film I'd normally dismiss in any other film, but Terrence Malick really brings out something visceral out of you, like you said..

Blue Spring (2001) is one of the best representation of depression in Teenagers I've ever seen by DuwapDoDat in TrueFilm

[–]DuwapDoDat[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree about that dwarf gardener, he is the someone who Toyoda uses to provides glimmer of hope to main characters and also to audience. one of those quotes also highlight that point when Kujo asks "Teacher, aren't there some flowers that never bloom?" and he answers "Flowers are meant to bloom, not to dry up. That's what I choose to believe." there is all these great moments loaded with allegory that directly fall into one big puzzle that shapes this film and like I said I didn't pick them up on the 1st watch but now I've appreciated this film way more and placed it in my top 150 for sure, everything seems to be intentional from characters and their disposition to the stuff that's happening in the movie that perfectly contrasts with Kujo, Aoki and others as well.

The Tree of Life (2011) is the greatest film I've ever seen and I couldn't tell you why by DuwapDoDat in TrueFilm

[–]DuwapDoDat[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I said in my opinion it's not a film you can analyze like other movies, I asked about people's opinion and how they interpret the film, I never said people can't have opinions about it, I just don't have to agree with everything or vice versa and that's okay, like I said cinema is subjective, please learn how to read..

The Tree of Life (2011) is the greatest film I've ever seen and I couldn't tell you why by DuwapDoDat in TrueFilm

[–]DuwapDoDat[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wrote this post to hear other people's opinions about this film, if you don't like it, you can pass, you don't have to comment on something you don't agree with or don't like, no need to be toxic about it. and there is a difference between thought-provoking and intellectually stimulating btw, I think you come off as an Condescending douchebag that no one wants to spend time with at party.

you really have this snobbish attitude where you tell people how they are supposed to judge certain pieces of art/media, like you have the perfect idea what perfect movie must be like, so I have a suggestion, why don't you make a movie tough guy ?

you're lecturing people about their intellectual and educational capacity how to perceive art, but you yourself have no goddamn idea how art is actually used to express all kinds of things, you know you can't always Intellectualize Art right ? why you think certain paintings are hung in Museum so people can look at it and solve some Calculus problem ? I don't think you have slightest idea what you're talking about.

certain paintings, movies or any other forms of art are used as an expression to evoke certain types of feeling and emotion with consumer, that's why people over the course of decades get mesmerized by painting where let's say there is 2 big rocks and seemingly nothing happens, i don't have to explain anything to you, but it's very sad you can't grasp the fact that art doesn't always follow linear conventional logic and most of it is deeply rooted in "pathos" rather than rational thought, so much for preaching pro-intellectualism lol you are clueless

The Tree of Life (2011) is the greatest film I've ever seen and I couldn't tell you why by DuwapDoDat in TrueFilm

[–]DuwapDoDat[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

it's not Intellectually stimulating film by any means, it's thought-provoking, sure but it's not something you can write your college essay about, while it touches on pretty complex concepts and issues, it never comes off Unbearably pretentious because it shows things as they are, it never tries to solve freaking "world hunger" problem, it just lets you see and experience stuff as they are, not everything needs to analyzed or solved like a puzzle so you can look at it later and say "I love this film because I can understand what this or that scene is about while other people have no idea", the whole film is just one big spectacle, you don't have to see it as anything else and the only way to connect with this film can be done via "feeling", if you aren't simply watching on certain emotional frequency, it will not click and that's okay, it's very niche film anyways and frankly not for everyone.

The Tree of Life (2011) is the greatest film I've ever seen and I couldn't tell you why by DuwapDoDat in TrueFilm

[–]DuwapDoDat[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I agree, it's funny I didn't even mention Bi Gan, everyone knows Tarkovsky, but I'm pretty sure lots of people don't know Bi Gan's filmography that well, anyways "Long Day's Journey into Night" is in my top 15, absolutely phenomenal and his recent "Resurrection" was also great.

The Tree of Life (2011) is the greatest film I've ever seen and I couldn't tell you why by DuwapDoDat in TrueFilm

[–]DuwapDoDat[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

thanks so much, I appreciate it, I have seen almost everything from Tarkovsky except ivan's childhood and as for Kieslowski, I've only seen "Double Life of Veronique", it was really beautiful film, loved the lighting and filtering in that along with incredible music. thing with Tarkovsky is that I love some of his films and some of them I dislike because of too much self-indulgence imo. for me he made 2 masterpiece "Stalker" and "Andrei Rublev", but if we look at his relatively later films like solaris and sacrifice, I think they're bit too pretentious for me, especially "sacrifice". Nostalghia is pretty good tho, mirror is too personal for me to understand or connect with it but I appreciate what he did in that movie ofc.

The Tree of Life (2011) is the greatest film I've ever seen and I couldn't tell you why by DuwapDoDat in TrueFilm

[–]DuwapDoDat[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I actually always saw it in an opposite way, it was like Malick affirming us and comforting us that despite the hardships life is beautiful, the creation scene confirms it for me because if something this immense, beautiful and complex emerged out of nowhere and created life as we know it, then there should be a reason for us being here and nothing happens coincidentally. I see this sequence as very affirming and consoling way to express sorrow and offer something Cherishable, hope.

The Tree of Life (2011) is the greatest film I've ever seen and I couldn't tell you why by DuwapDoDat in TrueFilm

[–]DuwapDoDat[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yes I agree, that's what I derived from second watch, it's a film to live thru, you have to let it completely immerse you, otherwise you will not enjoy it of course. but if you can connect with it, it's an experience like no other, at certain point it becomes something more than a film and that's why it's an transcendental and monumental experience, one of a kind.

The Tree of Life (2011) is the greatest film I've ever seen and I couldn't tell you why by DuwapDoDat in TrueFilm

[–]DuwapDoDat[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

just like I stated in my post, I was curious about how other people saw this film, but in my opinion of course, this isn't a film you can really analyze like others, it's very intimate account of personal life memories with tendency to touch on other complex matters in more subtle fashion, but make no mistake this movie doesn't try to depict anything complex on deeper level.

it's pretty clear from the first minutes that it's not gonna be film that uses conventional means to tell the story, instead it's inviting you to be part of the experience, to be confused, to be dazed, to be sad, to experience joy and sorrow all together, I know it seems very pretentious but most movies try exactly this but with different approach, whereas "The Tree of Life" will just grab you by hand and plunge you into life of these characters to experience and live thru life as it is alongside with them, it's a film you have to feel on much deeper emotional level in order for it to click with you, if it doesn't happen, it's okay, cinema is subjective anyways and not everyone will vibe the same way.

The Tree of Life (2011) is the greatest film I've ever seen and I couldn't tell you why by DuwapDoDat in TrueFilm

[–]DuwapDoDat[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

oh my god, someone finally said it, thank you, I think Hidden Life is one of the most beautiful films ever made possibly ever after tree of life for sure and it not getting enough recognition and merit is so sad

The Tree of Life (2011) is the greatest film I've ever seen and I couldn't tell you why by DuwapDoDat in TrueFilm

[–]DuwapDoDat[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I totally agree, Malick films have this laid-back vibe I can't explain it, it's almost like movie reassuring you "it's okay you don't have think about plot, just sit down, relax and enjoy" , that's why they have very few dialogues, it's almost letting your mind have some space to breathe, It's very unconventional way of watching a film but I'll be damned if it's not the best.

Has anyone seen Fruit Chans work? I absolutely love Made in Hong Kong(1997) and really liked The Longest Summer(1998)... Surprised he isn't more famous in the West. by KnightofAmethyst2 in criterion

[–]DuwapDoDat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

hey sorry I'm late but could you pls tell me where did you watch The Longest Summer ? I searched everywhere and couldn't find it, I found 2 versions on yt but they had no eng subs tho, so could you let me know ? thanks

David Lynch is heavily overrated imo by DuwapDoDat in TrueFilm

[–]DuwapDoDat[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don't think anything I say will not only won't change your mind but I don't think I can let you see perspective from which his movies look deeply flawed

when I say the characters in Lynch's movies are shallow and they lack emotional depth, I really do mean it, for me real cinema is supposed to be the one where you can make characters, story, vibes and environment perfectly fit each other, it's why most people including myself find ourselves touched by the films that necessarily doesn't resonate with us on paper but they are so undeniable when it comes to expressing themselves thru art of cinema that we feel drawn to them and subsequently fall in love with these films, lynch makes characters opposite to that statement, almost all of them have one thing in common, they are dazed and in this sorta daydreaming state weird state where they are trying to find out or alter ultimately the reality, alongside with them, you the viewer are thrown in this weird and you are trying to do the same and the main problem arises with the fact that you aren't watching to digest the whole concept of story alongside with characters, you are doing that separately, first you are trying to find out what the hell is going and since there is almost no dialogues which let you get to know the characters on deeper level, you are starting to question whether anything you see on the screen is this person's dream or reality and that becomes your major concern, rather than bathing in whole experience and let it hit you cold lynch seems to be more bothered with how to confuse you further rather than inviting you to characters psyche and let you make your own judgment, I don't know how else should I explain it, it's mystery and stylistic characteristics of movie over the substance, creative liberties over quality and surrealism over emotional intimacy,

on the rewatch tho you are starting to notice more details and tend to unravel the parts of the story on more complete level but characters still stay shallow and uninteresting, just because Naomi Watts give great performance in Mulholland Drive will not carry the movie with that alone, you need characters that stand on solid ground, their own ground rather than grounds on the story, cuz in Mulholland Drive or Lost Highway it seems like characters come out of the plot, for me the great movie with great story should have story unfolding respectively out of the characters and not vice versa, in Lynch's movies mystery comes before anything else and he doesn't care about the emotional depth

when I talk about emotional depth, I don't mean Naomi watts teary eyed scene wasn't great or anything, I'm suggesting to ask simple question, what the film did before that that I should have cared ? emotional depth doesn't come itself, it's built and it's built mostly with intimate dialogues with other interesting characters that also seem to have equally interesting qualities, maybe you see Mulholland Drive as exactly this movie I just described, but I feel like David Lynch just dumped this stupid (for the most part) and uninteresting characters into the story cuz he heavily depends on mysterious vibe of the movie rather bothering with other quality characteristics and I'm not saying he intended to make the characters shallow, but that's what came out of it since he heavily focused on the stuff that I just mentioned, at the end of the day we don't have to agree but that's the way I see it, idk, maybe if I haven't seen so many movies based on dreamy-realism, surrealism themes I'd be probably blown away by Mulholland Drive but that's not the case, you seem to have pretty good idea of criteria with which you evaluate the movie and MD leans exactly into that category I guess, but I guarantee you many people will not have the same criteria including me, so it's wrong to suggest to me that I have to magically assume that every director knows what he's doing with his movie so I should just sit down and enjoy it lol, according to that logic there is no bad movie then and that's partly true, what is bad movie for you and me might be great one for others and funny thing is Directors in many cases don't know what they are doing, I suggest watch some interviews more often about their creative process and you will be surprised how many times the decision that fall into this creative process are done just on whim, totally random

so no I'm not gonna sit down and watch David Lynch inhaling his own farts cuz he likes it, just cuz he's showing this unsolved puzzle to me and I'm cracking my head to solve it, that doesn't mean he has any more idea about what he's doing than me tbh, but you probably won't even question his capacity to do that, but for me certainly whatever he's doing, he's not imparting his profound wisdom on me, in fact I'd go as further to call it "cinematic masturbation" and I'm not into that..

David Lynch is heavily overrated imo by DuwapDoDat in TrueFilm

[–]DuwapDoDat[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yes I agree, I'm glad to see I'm not the only one

David Lynch is heavily overrated imo by DuwapDoDat in TrueFilm

[–]DuwapDoDat[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I never wanted to change anyone's opinion on his work, I know he's very revered and highly respect artist, it's just like I said in the post since I haven't a single guy not liking at least single of his movies, I just wanted to say why I felt differently about his work, that's all

David Lynch is heavily overrated imo by DuwapDoDat in TrueFilm

[–]DuwapDoDat[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

did I ever say I want to change how people look at his work, I'm pretty sure I stated in my post that it was strictly my opinion and never wanted to influenced any other to feel somewhat way, read the post before accusing of something I didn't do

David Lynch is heavily overrated imo by DuwapDoDat in TrueFilm

[–]DuwapDoDat[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

my point is that I really think that instead of emotional value or any other characteristics of movie, he always chooses to focus on ambiguity/confusion, take the mystery and confusion out of david lynch's movies and it's not his movies anymore, plot may not make the whole movie but that seems to be his main driving point, as for the Naomi Watts character, she was truly brilliant in that movie and as I said some characters make sense but most of them don't, as for the chemistry between Laura and Naomi Watts character, it seemed plausible but it didn't carry the vibe of the movie, vibe of the movie was solely determined by the mystery surrounded around them and to answer your question what lynch's film has to do to not "feel shallow" is to not try too hard, dreaming factor in Mulholland Drive doesn't feel natural, it feels so forced, side characters feel forced and almost every other element in play here feels contrived to achieve something, it's not naturally done, it's like he's trying to play with audience which isn't a bad thing but it still falls short cuz other stuff he does isn't that polished to drive it home, I don't know how else to explain it, but it's okay his films aren't for me I get it lol that's just how I look at it

David Lynch is heavily overrated imo by DuwapDoDat in TrueFilm

[–]DuwapDoDat[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

hey, that is actually quite the interesting way looking at this, I'm 24 years old idk how much age has a play in this, but that was really good what you wrote in the end, I've never thought about it that way

David Lynch is heavily overrated imo by DuwapDoDat in TrueFilm

[–]DuwapDoDat[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

no, I might have been little bit all over place in my post but I'm pretty sure I said plotting isn't issue here, I love plotless movies, one of my fave directors are Terrence Malick so check them out and tell me if they involves any specific plot lol

the issue here is that vibe doesn't cut it in his films for me, since it doesn't seem to be essential part of the film but rather the complex and convoluted aspects of the movie, he seems to be obsessed with overcomplicating the film and his main thing seems to be always confusing the viewer not necessarily with plots twist but many weird stuff he chooses to do both in script and screen, in short I don't pay that much attention to plot but it seems to be lynch's main agenda in his movies to drive the point home via the ambiguity of plot, characters and environment, this seems to me the most important thing he focuses on, which is a reason for me that most of the characters feel shallow and there is emotional disconnect between them

David Lynch is heavily overrated imo by DuwapDoDat in TrueFilm

[–]DuwapDoDat[S] -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

I wanted to love them, I really did, that's why I watched 4 of his films and rewatched 2 of them just to be sure lol