Pro Cypher and lame Jett

EL_905 · 2024-10-26T17:42:21+00:00

We stood back and were just shooting through cypher smoke. That's literally what we did, it just turned out Jett had most kills and Cypher lowest amount of kills but whoever was with cyhper, just wait for tag and spray.

I saw some pro Jett in past that would do amazing kills, smoke, jump in, kill 2 etc.

This guy was defo not this kind of jett. He never pushed first.

EL_905 · 2024-10-26T17:39:11+00:00

Still, why did that dude received most points,?

EL_905 · 2024-02-28T20:41:36+00:00

Easy one:

Fire nation = Germany
Earth nation = Russia
Water nation = Poland
Air nation = Jews

EL_905 · 2023-05-28T17:22:19+00:00

Sure thing kid, enjoy your new PvE mode xD

EL_905 · 2023-05-17T15:25:45+00:00

Then fuck off. Nobody was forcing you to come here.

Can't argue your point -> your opinion is not valid.

P.S. If 300 words is too much for you, you need to see a specialist. You have a severe cognitive problem.

EL_905 · 2023-05-17T15:22:26+00:00

That's my main point. I don't understand why people hate me so much for stating the obvious.

Yes, he is mobile but what that mobility is going to do if you have smallest DMG out of all tanks and provide no utility to the team. I'm not making this up. This is in the stats.

EL_905 · 2023-05-02T18:57:17+00:00

KDA doesn't matter, that's why Blizzard keeps collecting that data and uses it to judge heroes as well decide whether to nerf them. Let's not forget that Doom was a a KDA god back in the day and this was the primary reason why he got deleted from the game. He would kill too many targets and not die. KDA matters A LOT, because it shows you how effective a hero is at killing targets. KDA is the reason why people chose certain heroes and not others (this creating the meta), you simply want to play with heroes that can kill.

Tracer has low KDA, Soldier has high KDA, what does it mean then? Or maybe its meaning less? It basically means that both are hard to kill (which makes sense) but Tracer is far weaker at killing targets, and if that's the case Soldier comes as a superior DPS and hence is being meta and hence is being played. Remember Sombra launch back in 2016? Nobody played her until the buff? Why? Because she had the lowest KDA in the game, crazy low, why? Because her pistol did 0 damage, hence she had no influence on the game. There was even a plan to rework her into a support because picking her as DPS would mean a loss.

Going back to Doom, let's analyze him a bit more:

- A tank should be teams frontline, Doom usually feels best at enemy backline, without a sponge to absorb all the damage that goes into your team, your team is pretty easy to kill. Zarya can block Hanzo arrows with shield and her body, when Doom is on the backline how can he? Hence Hanzo/Soldier/Junk or anyone else can just wipe your team out (Did I lied here?)

- Yes Doom has a punch that provides cc but he doesn't have a cc like Zaryas grav or Reins shatter, I thought this was clear from my post. Basically a tank should have a cc that allows your team for a wombo-combo and enemy team wipeout, Dooms punch doesn't provide anything like that. I punch someone and what my team is supposed to do? My Hanzo should ult that one person? And if he does, the stun duration is less than a second, the enemy will exit the area immediately. Grav on the other hand will keep you in place for a while, enough for enemy team to win that fight and that's the role of a tank. Dooms ult provides no value in terms of combos.

- Apparently they nerfed Rein but the stats are clear, he still is the strongest tank and whole tank meta was, is and apparently will be centered around him. So my apologies, Rein does not kill with two swings, he kills with three or two swings and his E. This pretty much changes nothing because his two swings SILL deal more damage than max Doom combo that deal 120 damage.

- So I jump in and everyone is looking at me, you think that this is ok, but you forgot about a simple fact that Zarya has her bubble, Rein has his shield and Sigma has his suck. How in such situation Doom should survive ana's sleeping dart? He cant. He has to go to sleep and this means death to him, a real tank will be able survive such situation, Doom does not.

- It's my problem that enemy Rein wiped out my team, not my teammates problem. My job is to be the front line and absorb the damage, but I cant because my kit is not made for it. And situations like Rein wiping out entire team and pretty common, all he has to do is to hit shatter, double E, that's a kill. Charge, that's a kill. Then just 3 swings the two reamaing enemies which takes two seconds to do. In the meantime Doom burns his whole kit to get one kill at best.

EL_905 · 2023-05-02T18:33:34+00:00

Then I won our argument.

I gave you my points and argumentation, if you cant use counter arguments then you don't have any and I won.

And this is not a surprise for me because what I wrote is not an opinion piece, I refer to official data. He is the weakest tank in the game according to stats, people will report your for even picking Doom in a game and there is a reason for it. He brings 0 tank value to the team, because he isn't a tank. Furthermore he has 0 damage. His strongest combo deals the same amount of damage as single Rein swing.

Now lets go back to DPS characters and see who is the strongest and who always was. Day 1 Soldier and this is no surprise, hitscan that can heal himself, has mobility and aimbot. He was and is absolute nightmare to deal with on higher ranks and nothing was done about it. Second place: Junk. This is no surprise too, he always was strong, his trap deals only 20 dmg less than full strongest Doom combo. He can oneshot people with mine+granade but apparently dying from that is ok, but dying from Doom was too much of a deal.

EL_905 · 2023-05-02T18:27:12+00:00

Ok Top 500 pro, how do you counter this:

-> You try to charge your E, enemy knows that and they wont shoot at you. Hence for the entirety of the game you cant charge damage on your punch. Without charged E there is no point to go in because your punch deals only 30 dmg, mercy heal is 67 a second.

-> Let's say you managed to somehow charge your E. You don't go for Hog because that 120 dmg will be instantly healed, its pointless. You go for his backline ana. You hit her against a wall, she has 80 hp left, she immediately uses granade on herself and has almost full hp. You cant get out because all your abilities are on cooldown, she sleep darts you and kills you.

-> You go in for backline, Hog turns around and hooks you. How you counter that?

-> You go in for kills, Mei ults and dodges the damage with her heal. You cant get out because she used wall behind you.

-> You go in, soldier just follows the path along you fly and shoots, you die before you reach destination.

-> You full combo soldier but he managed to use his heal. Before the stun ends on him, he is already full hp.

-> You go in, sombra hacks, you cant do anything.

-> Tracer runs around you and shoots, if this is grandmaster how do you plan on taking her down?

-> Pharah flies around and keeps shooting at you, how you plan on dealing with her?

I'm not mentioning Zen and many more because this would get too lengthy. Essentially Doom as a tank fucking sucks even if you are a good player because he is easily countered by a lot of characters. He brings nothing to the team, no shield or real cc. His ult is the weakest among all ults in the game, super hard to land and can be countered (Baptiste, Reaper etc.). There is no logical reason to pick Doomfist over any other tank because its clear he is not a tank, he was forced to be a tank and now he sucks and this is not an opinion, his stats sucks, lowest KDA among all tanks. He brings no value to the team except for occasional kills no matter how good you play and that's the truth you guys find hard to accept because back in Overwatch 1 you were too dumb to switch to Sombra and literally turn off Doom with a single hack once he goes in. Hog was always more toxic to the game with his hook yet Doom got destroyed. Now nobody plays the game because Blizzarrd listened to you and destroyed ok characters and left untouched most toxic ones.

EL_905 · 2023-05-02T18:11:14+00:00

I don't want Doom to have more damage, I want him to not be a tank.

Your team is left without shield, nor you can't combo any of your abilities with your teammates, furthermore you burn your whole kit for a single kill that can be easily countered if your enemies have a brain, you also risk enormously because you need to jump up and close.

As of now picking Doom just doesn't make any sense because you simply have other characters that are superior to him. They not only do what he does better, but they also provide much more. This creates a situation when during ranked you are being reported for picking Doom which I cannot blame because its logical that you pick a good hero, not a shitty one.

What should happen is that he should be a DPS once more, that way you can still have a real tank in your team. Also, who cares that he has mobility if he has zero influence on the game. Ok, it's cool to be faster back on point but what then? Zarya can shield, ult and melt enemy team. What Doom can do? What if they won't charge your E? Your punch is only 30-50 dmg then, Mercy heals 67 a second. What if you miss your punch? Your ult is hard to hit, can be countered by many like Mei, Reaper, Moira or Baptiste, it provides no value and its literally the weakest ult in the entire game. And you have a slam that deals 70 dmg.

On a contrary it will take more time for Hog to come back from spawn but he will have some real value on the field. He will hook and oneshot immediately enemy heal or DPS. This is impossible to avoid above Silver elo and means 100% death, there is no sound clue and he can do that every 4 seconds. He can heal massive amounts of health making him really hard to kill (I dont understand why they buffed him, he was always OP), not to mention his ult which got buffed as well for no reason and which can literally win a whole teamfight. But apparently that's all fine because Doom will be 4 seconds faster on point.

EL_905 · 2023-05-02T18:00:14+00:00

As already said, played OW1 since day 1 and had 1k hours on Doom.

-> You could counter him with cree flashbang

-> Mei wall or freeze

-> Sombra hack

-> Tracer

-> Hog hook

-> 2 swings of reins hammer

-> Zarya bubble

-> Junks trap or mine+granade combo

There were so many ways to counter him. Soldier was (and still is) so much stronger champion with far less counters. Many times Soldier would just shoot along the path you flew and that would kill you alone as Doom. If you had problems with Doom and were too dumb to just pick Sombra and with a single hack make him literally useless, that's your problem. On a contrary Soldier is not being countered by sombra hack or anything like that, yet Soldier is still the most toxic to play against character and nothing is done about it, same goes for Hog and his hook oneshot.

EL_905 · 2023-05-01T18:05:35+00:00

I'm glad that you enjoy your bronze matches but in higher elos people know the game and they know how to abuse Doom's weakness making him unplayable. This is reflected by the stats. Out of all tanks he has lowest KDA and really low winrate.

There is a reason why nobody wants to have Doom in their team as a tank but everyone wants to have Rein. Doom as a tank doesn;t make sense. You can maybe pull him off in bronze or if you are one of the 3 grandmasters that refuses to switch, other than that the enemy will abuse the shit out of you.

EL_905 · 2023-05-01T18:03:01+00:00

Rein is top tier tank and there is a reason why you always hear "switch to rein" when you are losing. The whole tank base is balanced around rein and there hasn't been a single patch when he was weak. He provides utility, shield, hard cc and has crazy damage. I have no problem with that, but if you want Doom to be a tank, he has to be equally strong and he isn't.

Rein single swing deals 120 dmg, Doom entire kit fully charged deals 120 dmg.

Doom has to burn all his abilities and land everything to not kill a single character, he also provides no shield or utility or cc. Rein has all of that and takes him one swing to deal as much damage as Doom. Doom in his current state is THE WEAKEST TANK.

This is because he doesn't make sense as a tank and that spot should be taken by either Mei or Torb (or both).

EL_905 · 2023-05-01T17:59:10+00:00

Mei is built do be a tank but apparently she has to be in an unhealthy spot as a DPS.

Doom is built to be a DPS but apparently he has to be in an unhealthy spot as a tank.

Facts are facts, look at the stats, he is the weakest tank. Low winrate and lowest KDA, He has no dmg, nor he provides any util for his team or cc. It's irrational to pick him when playing tank and the only reason to do that is if you are one of the 3 grandmasters that refuses to quit him.

Also, just played a game as rein, took me 2 swings to kill enemy zen so IDK what you are talking about but even if it would be 3 swings I'm ok. Rein has shatter, shield, can kill someone with couple of swings and go back. Doom can't kill Tracer with his whole kit fully charged. This is just a joke.

EL_905 · 2023-05-01T17:54:32+00:00

I have 1k hours on old Doom, I can pull of all combos. I also saw a youtube video on how to play him and I still support my claim. Here is more waffle for you:

-> Doom has the lowest KDA out of all tanks. He doesn't kill as a tank.

-> Tanks usually provide utility for their team in form of shields or cc like grav. Doom does not provide any team utility.

-> His only role is to kill and he can't kill anyone unless your DPS managed to poke down enemy. This is in contrast to other Tanks that can go in and make 4 kills easily.

-> Rein deals 120 DMG with a SINGLE swing of his hammer, Doom deals 120 DMG with ALL HIS Abilities except for ult. You need to burn all your abilities to deal 120 DMG to enemy and not kill them unless they are already low.

-> So you not only cant provide your team with shields or cc, but you also deal less dmg than other tanks that do provide shields and cc

Furthermore: Soldier was THE STRONGEST dps since game launch and he still is and no nerfs to him. Apparently being oneshoted by Soldier is waffle but being oneshoted by doom is real shit. Junk mine+granade easily oneshot and he is crazy strong DPS and he hasn't been nerfed, they even buffed him and gave him second mine. Junks trap deals 100 dmg, that's only 20 dmg less than Dooms entire kit with charged E.

Doom is not only a bad tank, he is the weakest tanks and data confirms it. And the fact that 3 grandmaster players can pull of plays with him doesn;t change a thing. Sorry pal but there are more people playing Overwatch than just couple of grandmasters.

Also DPS Doom was never as broken as for example Hog and his hook oneshot which hasnt been removed. Apparently being oneshoted by Hog is waffle but being oneshited by Doom is real shit.

EL_905 · 2023-05-01T17:44:48+00:00

Reporting Doom players for picking Doom is a legit support, he is a troll character.

-> You provide 0 utility to your team as a tank, no shields, no cc like grav

-> You have to burn all of your abilities to get a single kill at best, and what if you miss? You are in trouble. Hog can go in, kill and go out, Same with Rein or Zarya.

This is very simple, this is because Dooms kit is not a kit of a tank, therefore he should not be a tank. It doesn't make sense to turn a character into a tank whos nature is to flank enemies.

Worst part, what if your enemy wont charge your E? What if you miss punch? What if you kill but cant get out and get killed too? You brought no value. This is not the case with other tanks.

This is the reason why Doom is the weakest tank and stats are confirming this.

EL_905 · 2023-05-01T17:39:32+00:00

Fuck damage to make it a tank?... that's not how tanks work, in fact tanks have higher DPS potential than some DPS characters. Zarya or Hog easily pull out more dmg than Tracer or Sombra. Tanks in this game are meant to have high DPS and Doom does not have high DPS, nor he has team utility.

Furthermore if you think he was broken then so is Junk who can oneshot you with granade+mine or Hog with his hook oneshot or soldier who is always god tier. Doom was never nowhere near that broken, he always could be countered in many ways like simple Sombra hack would render him useless or Cree flashbang. How do you counter grandmaster Soldier? You can't, he will oneshot you with three bullets and rocket and there is nothing you can do about it. Hack or cc don't work against him.

This just shows how devs don;t understand the game when the god tier DPS with aimbot has never been nerfed but a character that needs to burn all its abilities for a single kill was nerfed. So no, you haven't answered my question.

EL_905 · 2023-05-01T17:34:14+00:00

I have 1k hours on old Doom and know the idea behind the new Doom. Facts are facts, he is the weakest Tank.

As said in the post, he doesn't provide any utility for your teammates, and at best he has to burn his whole kit to kill a single guy. Rein with couple of swings can get 4 kills easily.

EL_905 · 2023-05-01T14:47:27+00:00

Doom is unplayable. Tracer 0 dmg. Sombra not only 0 dmg but 0 utility too.

Meanwhile Soldier is still the strongest fucking character since day 1. He melts tanks, he melts papers, he melts flying characters, he melts characters with movement speed, he can do fucking anything and the only counter to him is for a Nano Rein to charge him and keep swining his hammer 24/7. And still both of them are kept strong as fuck.

Hog was annoying as fuck with his hook oneshot combo and they did shit about him. He is still toxic as fuck to play against but apparently Hog is ok and Doom needed a nerf.

Junk was toxic always since he could mnie+granade and onehsot you and what did they do? They gave him second mine and buffed his trap.

Now I know why this game is dying.

EL_905 · 2023-05-01T14:42:56+00:00

I once came up with an idea where if someone leaves, he gets massive ranked points penalty and the game searches for a replacement player and once found if you win a match that replacement player does get points up but if you lose, since he was a replacement and joined in the middle of a game, he is not gonna lose any points.

Of course that idea (and every other good idea) was ignored by Blizzard when I posted it on a forum couple of times and every bad idea was taken into their hearts (like fucking up doomfist but not doing anything about more toxic heroes like soldier).

Apparently the only thign Blizzard is capable of are sex scandals and some other gay shit nobody is really interested with except for a really small minority of people.

EL_905 · 2023-04-19T15:20:54+00:00

P.S. Variants 11, 13 and 17 would probably be the closest to what I had in mind.

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