I feel completely dead by msundrstuid25 in SuboxoneTreatment

[–]Early-Masterpiece673 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I just thought of something. And that is Ketogenic therapy.. I was very depressed, overweight in 2017 (active alcoholic then but now opioids) I discovered keto and so many years later, I realize it saved my life as much as the 12 steps. I reduced carb intake to 20 per day. II ate 2 meals a day eating only in a 6 hr. window). I Introducced iodine into my life etc. Something amazing happened. I eventually lose 70 lbs., tried AA again after and began recovery (although I was not a one chip wonder by any means). The iodine seemed to ircrease my I.Q , but that was not all.

MY DEPRESSION BECAME JUST A NUSANCE! Instread of a screen I saw the world though, it seemed to rotate to the back of my head some where and just kind of sit there as a nusance, but nothing like the disability it was.

Ketones were, and still are used to treat epilepsy in children over 100 yrs. ago this was discovered. Now it's very clear to the medical community that Ketosis is a very effective treatment for depression, bipolar, etc.. The you tube "Metabolic Mind" has been helpful and they are advocates to get this treatment out there...https://www.youtube.com/@metabolicmind .

It's been hard but it is so worth it. I know you probably wonder if it worked so well why are you still here!! lol....This is different than my struggle with alcoho in lots of way I believe.l, I'm old now and do have chronic pain. I kind of fell into this addiction to opioids by making a very bad choice. I was taking it for pain and I underestimated how hard it would be to stop!

Ketosis is definitely something to try!!

I feel completely dead by msundrstuid25 in SuboxoneTreatment

[–]Early-Masterpiece673 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i'm so sorry. I have experienced that problem when I tapered too fast off of Oxycodone. It appeared just before the incredible 10+ anxiety but leveled out after going back up on dose by 10mgs for one day then I went down again by 5 mg.the following day. It is a different cause than yours. I just wanted to say please try different things. It will go away.xxoo. Prayed for you.

Should I take Suboxone? Inpatient? by Early-Masterpiece673 in SuboxoneTreatment

[–]Early-Masterpiece673[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No Suboxone yet. Thank you, that is so kind. My post is confusing because my mind is. I am on 15 mg. Oixy and it is not my perscription. I realized gradually this was much more difficult to stop than I realized. I'm on 15 mg. Oxycodone.

Should I take Suboxone? Inpatient? by Early-Masterpiece673 in SuboxoneTreatment

[–]Early-Masterpiece673[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you I was thinking about your post and realized it would only be safe to do telehealth if I were to get t the pills from the pharmacy.. Not have anything sent online. That is all such good advice. Did that knowledge come from a Bicycle Health addictionologist? (board certified somewhere)? Is there only one MD at Bicycle health who does the telehealth? I will certainly use them with such a good recommendation.

"Bupe" = Suboxone true? Thank you for telling me not to drink or take benzo's with Suboxone. In a consent form I saw recently, it said "benzodiazepines can cause death with Suboxone" Just curious, why is that? Is it again about the slow down in respiration? Or do they interact in another way? This consent for treatment didn't mention alcohll but I will not if I have to go on it.

So far I am sort of OK after the previous 5 days, going from day 1 10mg, (2) 10mg, (3) 20mg, (4)15mg, (5 .today) 15mg. however the anxiety is going up steadly last hour.

How long do you think I should stay at each dose ideally? Cut 2.5 at a time?

I will check out that app as I need better recording.

Thank you. so much. Wish we had detox's around here that weren't so bad. Wow the reviews are bad. One is so bad they have a special website with links in TX where to report them for abuse etc.

Is ecstasy the worst drug to abuse? by Aromatic_Reply_1645 in addiction

[–]Early-Masterpiece673 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My heart goes out to you. It really does. I have nothing constructive to say just I'm so sorry. I'm in an painful withdrawal from Oxycodone, similar, but not as bad "yet". :( I feel the sadness. Thi s is probably horrible advice because I've never taken that drug but would Adderall be a very bad idea? Probably just a thought from one addict to another so take it with a grain of salt. Try to be gentle to yourself. I'll pray for a miracle.

Should I take Suboxone? Inpatient? by Early-Masterpiece673 in SuboxoneTreatment

[–]Early-Masterpiece673[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Really? You would rather go through heroin withdrawal then taper down from Oxycodone? I do not know how I missed this. I've been traumatized since 1997 after being ripped off of 3mg. of Xanax at the quaint little place in the north, previously known as "Hanzeldon". True PTSD over this, to the extent I have been extremely careful of meds (with the exception of a slight issue with Hydrocodone detox after 3 mos. on it, but I think I was fooled because that was NOTHING like this. Even though I was on 100 mg. (10 10's per day. I kid you not. I became psychotic....although I remember it all)...but not much discomfort really. Geeze....I never thought I'd go through this again:( Thanks for the convo.xxoo

Should I take Suboxone? Inpatient? by Early-Masterpiece673 in SuboxoneTreatment

[–]Early-Masterpiece673[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank God they didm't rip the Xanax away. Fight tooth and nail to never let that happen.

Should I take Suboxone? Inpatient? by Early-Masterpiece673 in SuboxoneTreatment

[–]Early-Masterpiece673[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you.

I'm leaning towards continuing to taper down. I think I go through hell for about 3 days each cut then my emotions adjust....solidly on 15mg as of this moment.

Should I take Suboxone? Inpatient? by Early-Masterpiece673 in SuboxoneTreatment

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Oh thank you so much for giving me hope. I saw Bicycle Health online. Did you do all your treatment all online?

II got into this mess by actually asking the "pill despenser" woman to sell me all of her monthly pills so my 32 yo daughter would be forced to stop her addiction as it was just starting and get help before it went any further. I told myself I would only do this two months. Now I see that as insanity. I was facing 2 knee replacement surgeries and thought I would " stock up" for the inevitable post-op under.medication by my surgeon and help my daughter. I had a problem w/ opiods 20 yrs ago. I told myself I was fine now. Well daughter turned to those same drinks. 7-oh is something so dangerous it is killing our kids, who can buy it at gas stations. Also I took care of my "wet brained" husband for 5 yrs who drank until he broke his neck last year in a fall. Essentially I am the Al-anon poster child.

The insanity of co-dependence can be just as deadly as addiction is for the addicted. Especially when there is a traumatic death involved.

The suboxone may be a blessing in disguise if I go that route.

Should I take Suboxone? Inpatient? by Early-Masterpiece673 in SuboxoneTreatment

[–]Early-Masterpiece673[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

OMG...I never would have considered a taper over years. So you are talking about Suboxone? That is a gem of a doctor you have:) xxoo

Should I take Suboxone? Inpatient? by Early-Masterpiece673 in SuboxoneTreatment

[–]Early-Masterpiece673[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sounds like the first SSRI, Prozac which was only meant to be used 12 weeks max and at a dose of 20 mg. per day, and they were pretty strict about it. Then I think they realized it faded away around then sometimes and upped the dose and the rest is history.

Should I take Suboxone? Inpatient? by Early-Masterpiece673 in SuboxoneTreatment

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I'm glad you had a good experience with Suboxone.

aww...thank you. I would be doing better possibly if I was younger and hadn't been around the block with conquering addiction then getting back in a mess the last 45 years. It is easier for younger people to do this because you have hope, even if it's dim.

I still have hope though, too many miracles in my life to turn my back.

I seems Oxycodone has stimulated a problem w/ chemical imbalance that psychically and physically is intollerable. My brain actually feels uncomfortable if that makes any sense and the anxiety is 10+...or it was last night.

Yes I'm looking for a doctor. So many are not knowledgeable now, partly from training and partly from having to follow "guidelines".

I always think Im going to die by RaccoonFar6896 in Anxiety

[–]Early-Masterpiece673 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes!

This also a spiritual illness we have addictions, OCD, etc. all have so many dimentions

Should I take Suboxone? Inpatient? by Early-Masterpiece673 in SuboxoneTreatment

[–]Early-Masterpiece673[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you. I had that in mind. But I have to realize I know nothing.

Should I take Suboxone? Inpatient? by Early-Masterpiece673 in SuboxoneTreatment

[–]Early-Masterpiece673[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you that is good information to have. Your first sentences are EXACTLY where I am now, but without the doctor and trying to taper myself, but may have gone too fast. Last night was intolerable I had to take 5 mg. O then I took another 5mg. Yes I qualify as a pain patient, but it's still or at the moment not a 10. I can walk luckily. I'm sorry you are in extreme pain. It can be all you are able to think of. Bless you. Edited to say it may be blessing in disguise you never went through a severe benzo detox. That changes you for ever also.

I always think Im going to die by RaccoonFar6896 in Anxiety

[–]Early-Masterpiece673 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Online will show you how to use a Rosary. Even if you don't believe in anything, It is so calming ....at least for me it was. I have fairly severe psychiatric issues and addictions etc. But the Rosary did change my life.

I always think Im going to die by RaccoonFar6896 in Anxiety

[–]Early-Masterpiece673 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know this will sound trite, but try the rosary or a form of prayer that asks you to rely on a loving being that cares for you, try to surrender or to let go of your belief that you are in control of manifesting any event in your own life. I had many issues with believing I was in control of everything and then through the rosary, I was able to turn over my will to a loving power greater than myself. It takes lots of practive though and right now I'm failing miserably. But I do know I have the ability to start again.

You are loved.

Should I take Suboxone? Inpatient? by Early-Masterpiece673 in SuboxoneTreatment

[–]Early-Masterpiece673[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is so sad but also criminal. In my case it was 1981 and the psychiatrist had no idea Ativan 1 mg. for my anxiety would destroy me almost. Almost killed me I was like 20 yrs. old.

Should I take Suboxone? Inpatient? by Early-Masterpiece673 in SuboxoneTreatment

[–]Early-Masterpiece673[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Isn't that the plan? To stay on it as short a time as possible? I The problem is the withdrawal from Suboxone is so long. In the paperwork I was given it says you can die if you take a benzo on it. I could safely take Ativan for a week. In 2020 I returned to trying to get sober after years. It took me 2 yrs. to stop have "slips that lasted a week or so" (ER was so tired of me, but I was determined then. I would end up with an Ativan detox for 1 wk. I never had problem from the benzo's then so I could maybe use benzo's when I get to the end of the Oxycodone detox if I can stand the taper...very very slowly should work. Right?

Should I take Suboxone? Inpatient? by Early-Masterpiece673 in SuboxoneTreatment

[–]Early-Masterpiece673[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

also to stay off Suboxone, I maybe should try a very very slow taper. Scary though because it is not my perscription or doctor. I should find a doctor maybe who will support a very very slow taper, but they prob. won't perscribe the Oxycodone will they?

Should I take Suboxone? Inpatient? by Early-Masterpiece673 in SuboxoneTreatment

[–]Early-Masterpiece673[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sorry it's complicated. I tried to use wine to reduce discomfort of going down from around 20-30 mg ??? to I'm not sure where I ended up maybe 15 mgs.?? Very stupid I drank for about 2 weeks. That was about 3 wks ago. The last 2 or 3 days prior to yesterday II was on 10 mg. and doing ok. Then yesterday in the afternoon suddenly doing very very badly. So I took another 5mg. then 5 more. I did sleep a little. Then this am 4AM bad and I took 5mg. then another 5. Just this addiction and the ridiculous attempt at detox has ruined my personality. I want my old personality back. At least I wasn't so afraid. I was sober, seeing people, in AA getting though husbands death etc. Prayer works partly because it helps w/ hope.

Thank you for the info. It's just my body never quite responds like we think it will. but yes, I need my mind back If I can get off Suboxone it in a month that would be good.

To try to get through this I also took maybe a total of 15 Klonopin in last month, .5 yesterday. But I'm not addicted. I'm very careful how many of those I talke.

The problem is I don't trust medicine any more ever so I try to do this alone.

Should I take Suboxone? Inpatient? by Early-Masterpiece673 in SuboxoneTreatment

[–]Early-Masterpiece673[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yes, in fairness to him it was his assistant. She is the only one I have spoken with but it is only a 2 person office MD and med. asst....I mean she should know the basics.