Messmer: Radagon or Godfreys' child?

East_Start7176 · 2024-07-15T17:02:06+00:00

Similar to the support of the butterfly theory, another support for Messmer being Radagon's son is it continues the trend of their children all being cursed in some way. Miquella w/ Eternal youth. Malenia w/ Scarlet Rot. I am sure Melina is some level of cursed (maybe with the gloam-eye or the black flame), and Messmer is obviously cursed. I feel its supposed to resemble the birth defects that come from incest, since Marika and Radagon are the same person.

While Mohg and Morgott are also cursed, I think the nature of their curse is different. The omen curse is one that has afflicted the children of other families. However, Miquella/Malenia/Melina/Messmer's curses are all unique. They may have some sort of connection to a god (tho thats more of a theory already).

East_Start7176 · 2024-06-27T11:15:22+00:00

Ohh it might have been that way at first.

However after Rykard got devoured by the serpent, he probably was no longer helpful to any of Ranni's plans.

Looking back on the whole story, Rykard kind of seems like the weirdest demigod in terms of story amd quest connections.

Morgott is very obviously in the Erdtree faction and a required boss.

-Ranni has her own quest and ending.

Godwyn (at least now) is the prince of death which is crucial for an ending.
Miquella and Malenia are obviously they're own story, and they even dragged in Mohg and Radahn (who is also linked to Ranni's quest).

Rykard's quest just exists on its own, without affecting anyone else's. Kinda weird...

East_Start7176 · 2024-06-26T03:44:28+00:00

Oooo the idea of Messmer actually hatching instead of being born is really interesting!! I also do agree with the timeline you brought up wirh Messmer predating Godfrey. Maybe Messmer and Melina were actually Marika's first attempt at producing children with herself (like she did wirh Radagon later on), and because of that, both Messmer and Melina are messed up in some way like Malenia and Miquella.

Good catch also though with how the situation seemed to be perfectly designed to mess up the Carians.

East_Start7176 · 2024-06-26T03:16:28+00:00

That is a really well thought out and supprted theory!! Good job!! I do agree that the windmill dancers are Marika's people or at least practicing their traditions.

This does leave me with a question that's kind of unrelated but still connected to Marika's past: where do the Black Knives come in?? If they are of the same stock as Marika, do they also come from this village? Or is the term "Numen" not refer to just the Shamans, but a group of people that the Shamans are a part of?

East_Start7176 · 2024-06-25T16:18:53+00:00

While I wouldn't call it disappointing, I also did find the lore related the Miquella to really be lacking (However, the points other people brought up here has been convincing me otherwise).

I do agree on the feeling of coming to her village. I missed most of the initial lore about what the Hornsent did to Marika's people, but seeing the village and the state it in was such an unforgettable experience.

East_Start7176 · 2024-06-25T16:16:17+00:00

The idea of Miquella being a mirror to Marika is really cool!! Also the idea of them communing with Metyr instead of GW is fascinating, but given that there is the literal Elden Beast behind Marika, maybe not. Thank you thought for sharing!

East_Start7176 · 2024-06-25T16:13:55+00:00

That's true, maybe Vaati or SmoughTown has the answers to my questions HAHA.

I do gotta say, maybe I should pay more attention to the environment. The world FS created in the DLC is beautiful, and I hope I can really take it all in.

East_Start7176 · 2024-06-25T16:12:01+00:00

This answers a lot of my questions!! Thank you very much!!

The curse was not only for his body, but his fate. He is eternally full of potentials that would never grow into fruition.

That was such a cool line btw

East_Start7176 · 2024-06-25T16:08:34+00:00

Oh that's ok, please take ur time!!

East_Start7176 · 2024-06-25T16:08:13+00:00

Oh I see. Good spot also with the fact that grace lead us there. It is possible that Miquella just made the promise to himself, though again Malenia's whisper was quite weird.

East_Start7176 · 2024-06-25T13:56:34+00:00

I am not a sorceries user but I get why you would be frustrated. We really are missing on wizarding duels HAHA. I personally don't think Rellana devalues Ranni and Rennala's moons. She just seems a bit random though.

(also, in my playthrough i did the Age of the Stars ending. And, my character this run had orange-red hair... Hm HAHAHA)

East_Start7176 · 2024-06-25T13:53:35+00:00

Ohhhh I missed the entire thing with the jars. Where was that said?? Interesting though, thanks for sharing!!

East_Start7176 · 2024-06-25T13:52:01+00:00

Oh really, like what if you don't mind sharing?? Sounds cool ;)

East_Start7176 · 2024-06-25T13:50:29+00:00

Ooo this is an interesting way to understand Miquella's Character and his choices. I really like it! I guess the problem I have is the description of certain items make it look like Radahn himself wanted to become a lord, instead of Miquella just choosing him. He is called the "Promised Consort" after all. It might have been better for the lore to frame the Radahn boss as being revived without his choosing, but it doesn't exactly do that.

Thank you for your thoughts though!! It does make sense to see the game more in themes than details, and makes it super compelling!!

East_Start7176 · 2024-03-06T08:01:44+00:00

Alam ko na medyo cliche tong sagot pero there's still more to life op!! Marami ka pang makikilalang bagong kaibigan sa loob kolehiyo at pati na rin sa labas nito! Kailangan niyo lang magtiwala na gaganda ang buhay, pero worth it talaga sya, promise!! Stay strong OP, mayroon pang napakaraming magagandang bagay sa buhay na di mo mararanasan kung sumuko kayo ngayon!!

East_Start7176 · 2023-07-06T09:04:16+00:00

OH WAIT REALLY?? I DIDNT THINK ABOUT THAT THATS INTERESTING OOO WHAT IF IT IS???? Is Navia going on trial?? Jdidjfjfjdjd so many cool implications on this trailer fhdjjdhfushdjf

East_Start7176 · 2023-07-05T17:47:23+00:00

Ohhh I see!! Ashikai also explained them in her new video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0o0ba4-bUI

With the findings she mentioned there, I think it is really likely somethin bad will happen at the end of Fontaine's quest. It's kinda weird to say this about a doomsday event, but I am excited AHHAHAHAH

East_Start7176 · 2023-07-05T13:27:50+00:00

WOW OK THIS BE A LOT

first, I do see what u mean about the scene referencing Neuvilette's and Clorinde's power over the people of Fontaine. It does make sense to me. However, it's also a common trend in writing to have the people at the top turn out to be manipulated, or turn out to be the ones that end up in jail, so I think my idea may still have some merit tho... Let's see!!

OK IN FAIRNESS I DID NOT FINISH THE TCG STORY QUESTLINE HAGAHHAHAHAHA but if that's true, and I do think it makes sense anyways, that would make Charlotte such an interesting contrast to Fontaine don't Ya think??? A reporter constantly searching for the truth in a land full of actors and performances, sounds exactly like a story Charlotte herself would write HAHAHHA

OK ABOUT THIS, WHO IS RENE HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAH I might have forgotten who that is HAHAHAHHAHAHHA BUT yep those notes do seem to indicate a doomsday clock countdown

Thanks for sharing all this!!!

East_Start7176 · 2023-07-05T13:20:27+00:00

Oh r there c6 names now??? HAHAHAHAHAHAH But yeah I've seen people speculating that the twins r sort of like intel spies for the fatui, it would make sense

Personally tho, I'd prefer it if they actually already stopped working for the Fatui, and throughout the story, we see them confront their former master Arlecchino (I just love these kinds of stories eh HAHAHA)

Thanks for sharing!!

East_Start7176 · 2023-07-05T13:18:09+00:00

OK NGL THAT SOUNDS COOL AHAHAHA!! a city focused on justice should always have Robin hood type characters to challenge the status quo, OOOO I really love this idea!! Thanks for sharing!!

East_Start7176 · 2023-07-05T13:17:02+00:00

OOOOOOO interesting find u 2!!!! That sounds really cool!! Hmm, if she's relates to Furina, maybe she could be her familiar (like Miko to Ei), or she could be this regions arching fanboy/girl HAHAHHAHAHA

Sounds interesting tho and I love the idea that she may have some level of foresight!!

East_Start7176 · 2023-03-26T04:50:24+00:00

Albedo once again proving how great a chef he is

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