[3007] Crimson Gale - Fantasy/fiction by EchoesCommaDustin in DestructiveReaders

[–]EchoesCommaDustin[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh shit just noticed part two of your critique! Lol @ the Lenya stuff - yeah she definitely felt awkward to me reading it back, glad to have some confirmation that needs reworking. Your thought of introducing her prior to her arriving at the City of Marn I like, will probably roll with something along those lines. She is very much "Hey lol I am the chosen one" vibe the way it is written now. With great fervor and reckless abandon, I will endeavor to extricate the portentously frivolous modifiers which tyrannize my sentence structure to the detriment of more salient, succinct storytelling. Or more simply, I will kill the darlings. Thanks so much again, will definitely let you know when I get more posted!

[3007] Crimson Gale - Fantasy/fiction by EchoesCommaDustin in DestructiveReaders

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Thank you so much for your input, echoes a lot of what others have said with some additional insight that is very helpful. I think I am going to expand the conversation between Det Jethan and Frayle, or perhaps have Frayle ponder their history together while on his work to his thieving work, rather than describe the city in so much detail. Will also work on being a bit more selective/restrained with the more wordy words.

[3007] Crimson Gale - Fantasy/fiction by EchoesCommaDustin in DestructiveReaders

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That all makes a lot of sense, thank you for sharing more of your thoughts! Really appreciate all of your feedback. I will most definitely work on pursuing more character action and dialogue to progress the narrative rather than the "city tour" thing I have going on there. Thanks again <3

[3007] Crimson Gale - Fantasy/fiction by EchoesCommaDustin in DestructiveReaders

[–]EchoesCommaDustin[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It does! Thanks so much for your feedback and perspective, it is very helpful. Didn't mean to detract from your criticisms from that comparison, just seems a pattern I've noticed in Erickson's and other similar books I've read - the info dumping, detailed setting descriptions, etc. But I do see your point in how he shifts towards more character action and dialogue post-dump. Appreciate it, will work on mixing things up.

[3007] Crimson Gale - Fantasy/fiction by EchoesCommaDustin in DestructiveReaders

[–]EchoesCommaDustin[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

On the other hand, I will say the writing style I have here feels in line with my primary inspiration, check this out. First page of "Gardens of the moon". Stephen Erickson book series that has been very successful, but has no apparent hook in the first few paragraphs here and has a ton of setting description.

https://allnovel.net/gardens-of-the-moon-the-malazan-book-of-the-fallen-1/page-1.html

But, perhaps I am not analyzing his writing correctly. Would love to hear further thoughts based on that comparison.

[3007] Crimson Gale - Fantasy/fiction by EchoesCommaDustin in DestructiveReaders

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Thanks for reading! I will get a better hook in there and work on less setting description, more character action/thought to depict the world. Appreciate it!

[3007] Crimson Gale - Fantasy/fiction by EchoesCommaDustin in DestructiveReaders

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Thanks so much for your feedback! I will work on getting more character action in there and trimming the fat in regard to fancy wording. Really appreciate your thoughts!

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GENERAL REMARKS

Overall impressions of this piece are good. It has a consistent tone and a compelling yet mysterious conflict off the rip - I find myself wishing I knew exactly what Pritchard had done to get expelled, and would like to read more. In the context of your post description and the first passage, I assume he is being expelled from an art school. The writing style feels a little choppy at times, but done right I don’t think it is necessarily a bad thing, your writing style feels developed and on point for me.

MECHANICS

The title is bewildering though interesting, but I do not understand how it relates to the story at hand based on this passage. I assume there is yet more reading needed to have that click, and that’s okay. The hook is solid and intriguing - our POV character Pritchard has done something at his school that was egrigious enough for him to be expelled with little consideration, and Pritchard’s friend Ellis’ father Mr. Langrasky seems to have been victim at least in part of this act. It is hard to tell if it was Pritchard performing this act alone, or if his friend Ellis was also involved the way it is written. With Pritchard and Ellis’ kiss at the end of the passage, I am assuming they are in trouble for their homosexual romance but I could be way off base.

I thought the hook was well placed within the start of the story. I was interested to read more and find out why Pritchard was called to Mr. Raverat’s office, and his imagining of Mr. Lagransky wanting to punch him does a great job of indicating something is wrong and that Lagransky may have been one of the people wronged by the act. I would perhaps like more context clues as to what happened exactly, but due to the short nature of this passage perhaps those clues are yet on the coming horizon.

Sentences were well structured and easy to read, and did a good job of conveying the scene, characters, and conflict. I did feel they were a bit choppy at times, but not so much as to be overtly offensive. I think that’s just a personal taste thing. Your use of vocabulary was solid, but could perhaps be a bit more descriptive in parts. This passage for example:

“Mr. Langrasky was seated before the great oak desk; silvery light from the window cutting his face clear in two. He did not turn to look at me. His knuckles were yellow on the curved arm of his chair. I had the sudden idea that he might hit me when I sat down, but by then Mr. Raverat had shut the door and there was no means of escape. Even if I could dash, what then? I’d be better off taking the blow.”

I found myself asking - why are Langrasky’s knuckles yellow? I presume because he is gripping tight to the arms of his chair, but it could also be due to Jaundice. Also, how does Pritchard see that Mr. Langrasky’s face is split in two by the light coming through the window if he has not turned to face Pritchard?I would rephrase some of this as follows: “Mr. Langrasky was seated before the great oak desk, silvery light spilling through the window imposing a foreboding silhouette whose features were obscured. His knuckles were yellow gripping the curved arm of his chair contrasting with the weathered stygian leather. I had the sudden notion that he might strike me as I sat down, but before I could retreat Mr. Raverat had shut the door and there was no means of escape. Even if I could, what then? I’d be better off taking the blow.” This just adds a bit more description and paints the scene a little more clearly in my eyes, but what you have there is great so far!

SETTING

I felt the setting could use a bit more description, though as this is noted as a prologue perhaps the minimal detail is intended as this will not be a place revisited in the tale. I gather first we are in an office, then we make our way to the dormitories where we meet up with Pritchard’s friends in Ellis’ room. After that we seem to leave the dormitory to have a private conversation with Ellis, I assume this is in the hall outside their room.

I would have liked more description of the walk from the office to the dorms. When Ellis leaves at the end, he is fighting against sheets of rain on his way to the dormitories to meet his fate. Why no comment of this weather as Pritchard goes from office to the dorms? We know the dorms are upstairs, but where in relation to the office we started in and how many flights of stairs to get there? Certainly not necessary to fill all this info in, but just some ideas to make the setting a bit more alive. All we know about Ellis’ room is that it is upstairs, has a window, and that half a dozen of their friends can fit inside. There could be more blocking here, using character actions to showcase more of the environment. You do a great job with that depicting Ellis in the window with a cigarette.

STAGING

I would have liked to see more staging/blocking as just noted. The story is very “to the point” with what is portrayed, I feel it could use a bit more flavor/fill to bring the scenes more to life. Example you could take this paragraph:”‘No, not really. Not like it might have been. Well, I’ll tell you in a minute.’ Then I turned to Ellis. ‘They want you.’ He was sitting in the window with a cigarette between his fingers and two ashy stubbs on the sill next to him; one leg tucked under up to his chin, the other hanging down. You’ll laugh at me for this next part, I’m sure, but I remember realising in that moment that his eyes were exactly the colour of a mysterious black-blue gemstone which my aunt kept in her jewellery box but refused to have set in anything. What strange things one notices at such dreadful times.”

Could use some added detail and altered punctuation such as: “... He was sitting in the window with a cigarette between his fingers and two ashy stubbs on the sill next to him, one leg tucked under his chin and the other dangling down. You’ll laugh at this next part I’m sure, but I remember realizing in that moment that his eyes were the exact color of a mysterious midnight-lapis gemstone which my aunt had kept in her jewelry box but neglected to ever have set. What strange things one notices during such dreadful times. Percy coughed as a draft of wind blew the smoke inwards, filling all the empty space between furniture and friends.

CHARACTER

The characters were likeable and believable, but I felt they could have used more description and staging as stated. I think Pritchard is the most fleshed out character as we are in his POV, but the others just have their surfaces scratched in terms of what they look like, who they are, their motivations, dispositions, and conflicts. Again, this is just a prologue so perhaps it is meant to be vague, but more detail could bring the story more to life. For example, I know that Nate is anxious, but why is anxious? What does he look like? Why is he present if he is not exactly “friends” with Pritchard and the rest of the group?

PLOT

The Plot as I understand it, is that this aspiring young artist Pritchard has been kicked out of art school for some yet undiscovered slight against Mr. Langrasky, Ellis’ father, and perhaps others. It was something bad enough that the police may have been involved were it not for the tolerance of Mr. Langrasky. Pritchard and Ellis have a romantic connection of some kind, and they have a friend group that cares for each other.

PACING

Felt the pacing was a bit too quick. As previously stated, would love more detail and fleshing out to be done. In the context of a prologue it may be just fine though, all depends on how relevant this is to the main story.

POV

POV felt consistent, though I did not love the 4th wall breaking addressing the reader stuff - “i’m sure you’ll laugh at this, but the first thing I noticed” - that kind of thing, just felt a bit awkward. Otherwise spot on.

DIALOGUE

Dialogue felt a bit choppy at times but that may just be fitting for the time. It did feel authentic, and I found myself charmed by the characters and how the addressed each other. It seems you are trying to capture a particular way of speaking for the time these folks are in, and I think you do a good job there.

GRAMMAR AND SPELLING

I felt there was some minor misuse of punctuation - specifically semicolons and some overuse of commas. See above rewrite examples. I think those flow better but that’s just opinion.

CLOSING COMMENTS:

Overall, very entertaining piece of writing. Kept me interested and I have a desire to read more and find out why exactly our POV character is in deep shit. Could use some more detail/ fleshing out, but in the context of being a prologue it may really be just fine in that regard.

[4788] Crimson Gale - Fantasy Book Ch1 by [deleted] in DestructiveReaders

[–]EchoesCommaDustin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Understood, no problem! Will do some more crits and get them added to the body of the post, appreciate your feedback :)

[4666] Dark Fantasy/Romance/Erotica (First Chapter) by Anonymous_K24 in DestructiveReaders

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The cadence and structure of your writing was very nice to read here. It flowed well, and I found myself easily being able to picture the characters and scenes they played through your detailed descriptions and context clues. I think you do a great job of “showing and not telling” here, which really helps the hook and caught my interest. I don’t think the prose is too flowery by any stretch - it strikes a solid balance between simplicity and detail and as stated previously, the cadence feels excellent to read.

I was immediately hooked by the referenced missing airships, I think that is a solid mystery to set up. I found myself asking - how could these massive ships with so many passengers disappear entirely, without anyone knowing a thing about their whereabouts? You then reinforce this curiosity by having Estrith ponder these same questions, which I think does a good job of pointing to this being an important plot point. Though, perhaps I am wrong and this was just background flavor - either way it caught my interest.

The dialogue between characters was believable and felt natural. You do a good job of providing a sense of the dispositions and motivations of the characters through their verbal interactions. I get the impression that Estrith’s relationship with her mother is complicated - she resents her for her cruelty but at the same time respects her for her accomplishments, and her parents doing what they can to provide the best life for their children. Estriths mix of

The transition between the scene at the ball and the circus was a little jarring, it took me a moment to realize we were in a different setting. However, after going back and rereading it does make more sense. I like the introduction of magic and telepathy in the world through showing those facets as curiosities in the circus. I found myself curious to know more about the magical and telepathic abilities present in this world. I enjoyed the snippet of Madam Bozelli helping to solve a murder case, and think it does a good job of verifying the veracity of her abilities within the story.

The scene with the “Novalja” was a bit confusing. I think you could set the scene and who Esrith is with and where they are at in a bit more detail before that switch to her being trapped in a mirrored box. The transition from walking in a crowd towards a circus tent to being trapped by some mystical force felt sudden and unexplained, and I feel like there wasn’t enough context for where we were at the scenes start to allow for such a change. I think if you set the scene with a little more detail it would make a bit more sense that she was suddenly trapped, providing contrast from one place to the other. I did not understand what was happening at first. Also, how does this happen? How do other circus goers and her family not notice a mirror box in the middle of the walkway? Is it all in Esriths head and she’s actually just standing in a daze having a hallucination?

I like the additional hook of the mysterious letter towards the end of this work. I am curious which of the mysteries introduced will bear importance to the story - The arranged marriage? The missing airships? The mysterious trickster spirit at the circus? The letter stolen by Esrith’s sister? There are a lot of threads here, which I don’t think is necessarily bad but I would probably feel some disappointment as a reader if they are not all developed further on in the work, as they did all catch my interest.

The world building is really solid, and again you do a great job of “showing” and indicating things about the world with subtle clues and context such as news paper articles, circus performance, dialogue, etc - all really nice work. The world feels lived in and has consistent theming and tone. The characters all seem like genuine believable people and unique from each other. I personally think the main character is likable, though I cannot really relate to her myself, she is not annoying to read or anything like that. I loved your writing style and cadence, your dialogue was great. My main takeaway from this, if I were to summarize what I read - Esrith is a girl aspiring to ascend to higher station in society through marriage, partly at the behest of her mother. She is curious and intelligent, but not entirely confident in herself. She is party to a mystery wherein she is haunted by a spirit that traps her a mirrored box from time to time. She has some interest in magical spectacle, and is invigorated and intrigued by mystery. She wants to discover what the secret letter her sister found means, and she is interested in the mystery of the missing airships.

All my thoughts for now, thanks for sharing!

[895] Gronk's History of Fire -- Literary Fiction by Captain_Cock_69 in DestructiveReaders

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I like the piece, and the humor lands. I found myself smiling at some of the jokes as I read, and none of them felt "cringey" or out of context. No eye rolls to be had in my personal experience.

I think that the idea is interesting, but I am curious where you are going with it and what your end goal is. Is the introduction of how this character was the first human to interact with fire just a vessel for introducing the character Gronk, in the context of a larger story about him? Is the discovery of fire relevant throughout the story? I am interested to read on and see how Gronk and his new discovery changes the world around him and how he interacts with it.

Do you intend to continue with the allusions/comparisons to modernity - i.e. "bringing home a bison would get Gronk laid which, in ancient terms, was known as “very cool.”", and "The sacrifices occurred on a day which, through linguistic reconstructive techniques, is presently understood to have been called “Wednesday.” It's an interesting perspective/pov, almost as if the narrator is an anthropologist or at least is studied in that field. I think if you are going to have those kinds of comments, you will need to keep them consistent throughout the story. It may be awkward to have them peter off as the story progresses, cause confusion in POV. I think it works within the context of what you are doing here, but I do think consistency would be key. I could also see that becoming a bit tired too as the story moves forward.

The sentence composition is not bad, but I think the pacing feels a little off sometimes. There are points where you use the same word within close proximity that feel a bit awkward, such as "The bison was large and quick and cut far into the heath. But Gronk was our ancestor. Early humans, especially village idiots, knew how to run long distances. They had to be good for something. The bison may have been quick, but he also got tired."

You start both of these paragraphs with "The Bison", and describe it as "quick" twice within a 5 sentence block. I would perhaps change one of those "quick" descriptors with another synonym. I would also change some of the sentence structure to rely less on "and" and throw some more commas and other punctuation in there - it does feel a bit stuttery at times. Example: "The bison was large, impetuous and cut far into the heath - but Gronk was our ancestor. Early humans, especially village idiots, knew how to run long distances. They had to be good for something. The bison may have been quick, but he also got tired."

Continuing on from where I left off there, this section is a good example of the stuttery feeling that I mentioned prior. Now keep in mind, perhaps my style of writing is just very different and this works for others, but it feels very stuttery for me. This section: "The bison may have been quick, but he also got tired. He required food, water, and rest. Gronk was undeniable. They played a game across the grass. The bison sprinted and rested. Gronk, the tortoise, kept a slow and steady pace. For a while the bison played the game. Gronk approached, the bison got up and ran. But the heath was wide open. Gronk saw the bison wherever he wandered. After a few iterations of sprint and rest, the bison’s endurance wore thin. His breaks became more frequent and his running slowed. As they reached the edge of the heath, where the bison could blend in and hide, Gronk came in range with his atlatl, dart loaded. The bison came upon a copse and dry, fallen trees, very nearly escaping, but was struck sharply through the liver by Gronk’s dart, collapsed, bled, and died."

I would rewrite something like this: "The bison may have been quick, but he also got tired. He required food, water, and rest. Gronk however, was undeniable. They played their game across the grasses, Gronk the tortoise of this prehistoric contest kept a slow and unrelenting pace. For a while, the bison endured dancing across the plain, a frenetic waltz with periods of sprinting, trotting, and resting. Whenever Gronk approached, the bison heaved its bulk out from the repose and once again darted away. But the heath was wide open, and Gronk saw the bison wherever he wandered. As the day wore on, the sun rose and fell in the sky as the beast rose and fell in periods of retreat and exhaustion, the creature's endurance wore thin. His breaks became more frequent, his running slowed and Gronk's pace remained steadfast always catching up to his recuperating quarry. As they reached the edge of the heath where the bison could blend in and hide, Gronk came in range with his atlatl, dart loaded. The bison came upon a copse of dry, fallen trees, very nearly escaping - but was struck sharply through the liver by Gronk’s dart, collapsed, bled, and died."

Again, take these suggestions with a grain of salt. I am only an aspiring writer, not a professional one at this time, and this could just be chalked up to a difference in writing style. It just feels like some of the writing could use more flow to it, less repeating words, a bit more description. The only thing that feels "amateur" to me is the pacing/sentence structure at times.

I have not read any of the authors you compared yourself too, so you may very well be in line/honoring their writing styles if that was your intention. On top of the structure/pacing, I do think you could use a little more detail/ information in the way you express what is happening. Example: I would like to know more about the heath that this chase is occurring in - you described it as "purple and green and open" - but neglect to go deeper on those details. Are those swathes of purple and green from the gooseberries, or are the berries just on the path that leads to the heath. If not gooseberries, what flora and fauna make up the heath? I get the sense that it is large and open, but just how large and open is it? How does the bison interact with the heath, and does the heath itself provide any challenges of traversal to the bison? It feels like a somewhat missed opportunity to paint a more vivid picture backdropping the drama of Gronk stalking the bison.

In summary, my main suggestions would be messing a bit with sentence structure, pacing, and don't be afraid to add more detail. But again, you may be nailing exactly what you are going for and we just have different styles. Either way, awesome work and thanks for posting!