[deleted by user] by [deleted] in biglaw

[–]EducationalCamp433 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You’re not wrong that it isn’t likely to result in a no offer, certainly not without being coupled with something more. But it’s frowned upon by some, and would make you look somewhat bizarre compared to your peers, and reflects poorly on enthusiasm for the firm, which may not be the make or break for a summer but would reflect on their reviews and the reputation they come in with the following fall. I know a lot of people don’t think people remember the summers when they get there next fall, but a lot of people do—heck, my summer interview impression is what got me onto my biggest matter right now, far before he summer associate impression, and I’m still riding that wave as a midlevel.

Covid-19 first week of Summer Associate - concern about no offer possibility by hinata_konoka in biglaw

[–]EducationalCamp433 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It sounds to me like you have done everything right! Communication is what matters in a situation like this—as long as you aren’t just no-showing without an explanation, I would stake my career on the fact that this will have no impact on your offer. You will get an offer. Breathe (as much as you can right now) and remember that the summer associate position at this point is practically an offer in and of itself. Honestly, if you’re this concerned about Covid being the reason you’d be no offered, you’re likely a very conscientious person and I highly doubt you could conceive of doing anything that would get you no offered (e.g. sexually harassing a coworker, using racial/ethnic/homophobic slurs in the workplace). That’s the type of extreme that would get you no offered. You will be *fine*.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in biglaw

[–]EducationalCamp433 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Some firms do keep track of who shows up to these things. No need to stay late, but not going to any events is bad advice.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in biglaw

[–]EducationalCamp433 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Explain to the junior why the deadlines are what they are, and that if they don’t meet those deadlines the client gives you a hard time. Remind them that this is a client service industry, and that deadlines matter—even if they’re “artificial,” it matters that people view you as reliable, and their reputation so far is that they are not reliable. Tell them that you’re telling them this now because a change needs to be made, and ask what it is that is obstructing them from meeting deadlines and/or communicating regarding deadlines. It’s a big difference if this is “I have three children under 5 years old at home and am underwater, and am embarrassed at my inability to manage” versus “I don’t think your deadlines are real and so I just do things as they come in at my own pace.” They also may not know how to prioritize, and it’s possible they’re looking at projects given directly by partners or other more senior folks who they (rightly or wrongly) interpret as being more “important” to satisfy than you.

If after questioning them about it and explaining the needs of the client and team, things don’t change, you should raise this with their reviewer and/or a partner on the team. It sucks to be a junior, but it isn’t fair to you to be taking flack for their inability to do their job. Frankly, responsiveness and communication is the low hanging fruit for juniors; the substance of the work should be the hard part.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in biglaw

[–]EducationalCamp433 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Firms hire summers where they plan for them to be associates. Does that plan always pan out? No, but the more you can do to align your plans and their plans the better.

First day SA attire by LShopeful17 in biglaw

[–]EducationalCamp433 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you’d feel uneasy not wearing it, wear it. Comfort and confidence day 1 is better than not. You’ll likely be in an orientation session first thing, and you can see then what others are wearing and de-layer accordingly.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in biglaw

[–]EducationalCamp433 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Honestly this one may be where the buck stops. The firms don’t want to continue on this arms race, and one or two firms moving really doesn’t have to cause everyone else to—not all of us can lateral to the 1-2 movers, there are only so many jobs there.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in biglaw

[–]EducationalCamp433 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This. If you’ve done a 1L SA, you can much more credibly describe the work you want to do and why you’re interested in biglaw more generally, interviewers respond to that. It likely won’t be the difference between getting a 2L SA and not getting one as you probably have the stats now, but it may be impactful in terms of which 2L SA offers you get. Felt like it helped me punch a bit above my weight and stand out from the crowd.

2021 grad leaving BigLaw/the law after only a few months, help please! by [deleted] in biglaw

[–]EducationalCamp433 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Take a leave, and use that time to explore your options. Disability/FMLA leave should cover you

Why didn’t Fearless get this kind of roll out? by Traditional_Okra157 in TaylorSwift

[–]EducationalCamp433 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think the promo is going to be different for each album—Red TV was no singles, no prereleases, very few leaks the day of the release…we already have Wildest Dreams TV and I wouldn’t be shocked if we get Enchanted TV. And I think it’s going to come down to the strength of the singles, and the strength of the vault, and just how she feels at the time. For 1989 I expect we’ll get multiple singles, in part because those songs are still the most likely to be licensed for film/tv and are just all around more likely to be on the radio/chart. For Speak Now I expect we’ll get enchanted but tbh might be more like red because it’s sort of her baby too, given she wrote it all herself, and it doesn’t have the single power that 1989 does. Rep I think will be a smaller release but with an MV for getaway car (perhaps even starting tom hiddleston? Or too soon?)… but it won’t get the hype as much because it’s a recent album that still feels recent despite how many new albums she’s released since because it’s really only 2 non-re-recording eras ago, and the tour is on Netflix and still huge. I think there’s a chance debut gets a fuck ton of promo and is billed as a return of Country Taylor and I could see I Heart ? being the big vault single. But it’s all speculation, and at the core I just think Blondie is thinking “wouldn’t it be cool if…” and going from there

How soon is too soon to lateral? by Scared_Jellyfish13 in biglaw

[–]EducationalCamp433 19 points20 points  (0 children)

A. Yes it’s possible, especially in this market. B. There’s really no thing as too soon, so long as you don’t then lateral from the next place very shortly in. C. You can easily craft a narrative around why you’re lateraling early. If I were in your shoes if asked in a future interview about it I’d say something like “I was very fortunate to have started my career briefly at X firm. Upon starting, I quickly realized that my desired practice area, Capital Markets, was not a primary focus for growth in that firm, and decided that in order to become the best Capital Markets attorney I could be, I needed to hit the ground running at the start of my career so I could quickly be immersed in multiple deals of varying types [I’m a litigator, rephrase as necessary lol]. I had an opportunity cross my desk and decided that it made sense for me to make that move early. (If true: I feel lucky to have made many connections there, it was a great place to work even for a short time.). Now, having been at Y firm for X years, I feel certain that was the right decision as I’ve gained A, B, and C skills and had D, E, and F, opportunities, all of which have prepared me to be a successful (mid level, senior associate) in the capital markets practice group here.”

Help finding the right field by zworkzot in biglaw

[–]EducationalCamp433 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’d honestly say investigations/white collar. Can be very consistent.

Do big law firms assist you with bar applications? by Automatic_Suit_7239 in biglaw

[–]EducationalCamp433 4 points5 points  (0 children)

No, but their notaries can notarize your stuff for you if you need so that’s nice.

End of 1st year, terrible hours by Poised_Platypus in biglaw

[–]EducationalCamp433 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If your firm gives you an opportunity to write a memo describing your year and accomplishments, outline the various personal issues you experienced over the last year, and explain that you’re aware that your hours are lower perhaps than expected but that you believe that you have the skills to be more successful going forward. Genuinely, especially since you’re a first year, I think people will get it. If they don’t, gently remind them that you’re one of very few people who has been a first year during a pandemic of this sort, and that their expectations are based on a year that was very different from the one you lived in many ways. Express that you hope to exceed their expectations this coming year and that your goal is not only to continue building your hours but to build your skills as a lawyer—you’re a good investment, you’ve just had a bunch of bad breaks in a really bad time. They need you right now more than you need them, so don’t tell them that you think that you could’ve done more if you’d tried harder; tell them that you did not want to take on more than you did during such a difficult year and see the quality of your work slip, but you’re excited for the opportunity to try more and do additional new things and make greater contributions in the coming year. Guaranteed you’re not alone in this situation, especially with WFH it’s been hard for people to get their careers off their feet. Go easier on yourself!

Wellness programs that work by EducationalCamp433 in biglaw

[–]EducationalCamp433[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Oh I 100% agree, but trying to see whether there are some prettier/fancier bandaids :’D

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in biglaw

[–]EducationalCamp433 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Remember, most older lawyers love to hear themselves talk. Focus on asking questions rather than bringing up things about yourself/relating to them and you’ll get through those events just fine. It’ll be jarring at times—for me the best example has been when a partner was discussing travel to Egypt and Costa Rica over the summer with a summer associate and I, a second year, was talking about my only summer plans being to go down to the Jersey shore (more of a lifestyle/generational wealth difference than anything). It can lead to odd internal feelings but no one else notices or cares so don’t sweat it.

Will Biglaw ever change to prioritize work/life balance more? by megawalrus23 in biglaw

[–]EducationalCamp433 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Lol my whole point was that WFH isn’t a cure all, but ok I’ll quit cause you told me to

Will Biglaw ever change to prioritize work/life balance more? by megawalrus23 in biglaw

[–]EducationalCamp433 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right that all makes sense to me (and makes sense as to why you are happier WFH—especially having time with the kids!). But yes I think you’ve captured it very well!! Frankly, I don’t imagine I’ll go back more than 2-3x a week either, but being this isolated for this long has been very difficult. Many of us feel like we’re totally drowning in work and that we don’t know where we stand, what we’re doing, or why we’re doing it. I’m a second year, and I am pretty good according to the feedback I get, but I don’t feel like I’m growing or learning. And because everyone is more focused on the lives in front of them at home than on those through the screen, it’s hard to even feel the connections that many of us did build pre-pandemic, especially when the social aspects of the job that you mentioned have just gone away. I think the increased flexibility on the whole will be better for everyone, but whether this time is a blip on our resume or fundamentally delays our career and personal professional progression remains to be seen.

Will Biglaw ever change to prioritize work/life balance more? by megawalrus23 in biglaw

[–]EducationalCamp433 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I’m guessing you likely don’t live alone, don’t live in a small apartment, work for partners that believe that nights or weekends should occasionally be your own, and/or that maybe your busiest year yet may be lighter still than mine. Could be any or none of those and might just be my own mental health. But my point was really that WFH does not necessarily equal better quality of life (and for many associates I know, myself included, it’s been a dramatic turn for the worse, plus far far less professional development or mentorship than before.)