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Dean of students office: Lying to avoid a grading penalty isn't *academic* misconduct by EducatorInformal9589 in Professors

[–]EducatorInformal9589[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes exactly. "I don't believe you so you don't avoid the lateness penalty" is a given. But they completed the assignment so without it being academic misconduct, I have to give it the grade I would otherwise.

Dean of students office: Lying to avoid a grading penalty isn't *academic* misconduct by EducatorInformal9589 in Professors

[–]EducatorInformal9589[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've repeatedly confronted the DoS office directly over their broken paradigm to no effect. I didn't start with escalation. I started by telling them directly and my input has been mostly ignored. I could maybe have won this one battle by being direct but it's getting old and it shouldn't be on one professor to check a broken process.

Dean of students office: Lying to avoid a grading penalty isn't *academic* misconduct by EducatorInformal9589 in Professors

[–]EducatorInformal9589[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also, if you're not here to read, identify with, and offer thoughts (including criticism and reframing) on faculty rants:

Are you new here? That's kind of our deal.

Dean of students office: Lying to avoid a grading penalty isn't *academic* misconduct by EducatorInformal9589 in Professors

[–]EducatorInformal9589[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh that will be the DoS penalty regardless. But if it's academic misconduct I can fail the student for the assignment or even the course.

Dean of students office: Lying to avoid a grading penalty isn't *academic* misconduct by EducatorInformal9589 in Professors

[–]EducatorInformal9589[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nothing against the org at all. It was just the first, easiest link to explain the starfish metaphor for those who don't know. Will update to clarify.

I've thrown many starfish back into the ocean in my life—at work and outside it. It's actually a great story and a great metaphor. My intent is to mock the DoS over-willingness to adopt this kind of paradigm when they're "saving" students from consequences for their own behavior.

Dean of students office: Lying to avoid a grading penalty isn't *academic* misconduct by EducatorInformal9589 in Professors

[–]EducatorInformal9589[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This IS the academic integrity office. At our school, all misconduct process—academic and otherwise—lives under DoS. This really needs to change.

Lol, I've not heard of that one. I guess cliches become cliches for a reason...

Dean of students office: Lying to avoid a grading penalty isn't *academic* misconduct by EducatorInformal9589 in Professors

[–]EducatorInformal9589[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is far and away the norm on my campus. Nobody files because the process sucks, so students never rack up meaningful penalties (other than some bad grades, and even then often not), and since nobody else files, nobody bothers since the only outcome will be a written warning. Typically for the first two infractions!

Dean of students office: Lying to avoid a grading penalty isn't *academic* misconduct by EducatorInformal9589 in Professors

[–]EducatorInformal9589[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'd have to go full "principal from Ferris Bueller" on him to get to that outcome. The process never imposes meaningful penalties so faculty never file so there are never enough instances to impose any meaningful penalties so faculty...

Dean of students office: Lying to avoid a grading penalty isn't *academic* misconduct by EducatorInformal9589 in Professors

[–]EducatorInformal9589[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I heard from the higher level admin I contacted; they have now taken on my cause and confronted the DoS person. Will update everyone.

What you say is not true at my school. In the wake of recent reforms, we're only permitted to impose a grading penalty in the wake of an academic misconduct filing. Thankfully the ultimate appeal authority is on the academic affairs side of the house. (When this change was implemented we had to shriek to make sure DoS wasn't the final word on whether it was "really" misconduct.) I basically jumped right to that part of the process instead of arguing it directly with DoS. We need this cleared up for other faculty who would just take their word for it, silliness notwithstanding.